Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

DrumSteve · 08-03-2016 01:27PM

I'd like to see McGregor come back and win his next fight in 12 seconds; just to see the reaction on here and sherdog. It would be glorious.

Gamebred · 08-03-2016 01:31PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

I'd like to see McGregor come back and win his next fight in 12 seconds; just to see the reaction on here and sherdog. It would be glorious.

There would be no reaction,the same way when he ko'd Aldo the blow ins werent posting about it.

Swashbuckler · 08-03-2016 01:33PM

Lukker- wrote: »

Yup, the talk of him winning at 155 is horse sh*the. So if both guys have to cut weight, Conor suddenly becomes better?

Nate wasn't training for a triathlon, he was in Mexico partying with team mates when he got the call. His conditioning would be even better if he had a full camp and had to make 155.

Its not as black and white as that. Anyone who just blindly says Conor would have won at 155 or will win at 155 is way off. But.....There are adjustments that could be made whereby Conor could win. A better game plan. Not loading up on every punch. More leg and oblique kicks. So for sure Conor could win at 155 against Nate. I think he took him lightly and chased the ko too much. Tried to make a statement and failed.

DrumSteve · 08-03-2016 01:37PM

Gamebred wrote: »

There would be no reaction,the same way when he ko'd Aldo the blow ins werent posting about it.

Ah there would be; I lurk on sherdog sometimes and it was funny to see after the aldo fight. Sure, Full Camp Mendes became a thing...

I like Conor, he's a loyal guy who seems very approachable, he has a brash and arrogant persona to sell fights... I still find it funny people buy into that persona as actually being him and waste time out of their day giving out about him based on that.

I still think it's great that other than Rousey, an Irish bloke is probably the most recognizable face of MMA on the planet.

Martypants1 · 08-03-2016 01:43PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Ah there would be; I lurk on sherdog sometimes and it was funny to see after the aldo fight. Sure, Full Camp Mendes became a thing...

I like Conor, he's a loyal guy who seems very approachable, he has a brash and arrogant persona to sell fights... I still find it funny people buy into that persona as actually being him and waste time out of their day giving out about him based on that.

I still think it's great that other than Rousey, an Irish bloke is probably the most recognizable face of MMA on the planet.

If everyone knows it's all put on, why do they buy into it?

Lukker- · 08-03-2016 01:46PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Its not as black and white as that. Anyone who just blindly says Conor would have won at 155 or will win at 155 is way off. But.....There are adjustments that could be made whereby Conor could win. A better game plan. Not loading up on every punch. More leg and oblique kicks. So for sure Conor could win at 155 against Nate. I think he took him lightly and chased the ko too much. Tried to make a statement and failed.

Of course. Most high level fighters can beat one another if they have the perfect game plan and execute it well.

My point was aimed at people who say he would have won if the fight was at 155 for Saturday.

DrumSteve · 08-03-2016 01:47PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

If everyone knows it's all put on, why do they buy into it?

I can't speak for everyone so I don't know why they buy into it.

Gamebred · 08-03-2016 01:48PM

Lukker- wrote: »

Of course. Most high level fighters can beat one another if they have the perfect game plan and execute it well.

My point was aimed at people who say he would have won if the fight was at 155 for Saturday.

Ive not seen many saying it to be fair,the general consensus has been Diaz would've been better himself with a camp at 155,anyone denying that is delusional and I say that as a McGregor fanboy.

Swashbuckler · 08-03-2016 01:56PM

Lukker- wrote: »

Of course. Most high level fighters can beat one another if they have the perfect game plan and execute it well.

My point was aimed at people who say he would have won if the fight was at 155 for Saturday.

Nobody with any bit of decent knowledge should be saying that. With the game plan conor went with he would lose to Diaz at 155 or 170.

Swashbuckler · 08-03-2016 01:57PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

If everyone knows it's all put on, why do they buy into it?

Hype, drama, rivalries...that stuff sells..In any sport. You know why but you're just blinded by your dislike of McG and the fan boys.

Martypants1 · 08-03-2016 02:01PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Hype, drama, rivalries...that stuff sells..In any sport. You know why but you're just blinded by your dislike of McG and the fan boys.

It's all fake though. Better off watching Eastenders.

Mellor · 08-03-2016 02:06PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Ive not seen many saying it to be fair,the general consensus has been Diaz would've been better himself with a camp at 155,anyone denying that is delusional and I say that as a McGregor fanboy.

His conditioning would have been better but would probably be closer to Conor's weight. That would affect the shots he could take and also the power behind his punches.

To say Conor would win at 155 is wrong. But it's also wrong to say the result is never any different is wrong too.
Conor won the first round, and the smallest could have drastically changed the 2nd.

TheNap · 08-03-2016 02:16PM

Mellor wrote: »

His conditioning would have been better but would probably be closer to Conor's weight. That would affect the shots he could take and also the power behind his punches.

To say Conor would win at 155 is wrong. But it's also wrong to say the result is never any different is wrong too.
Conor won the first round, and the smallest could have drastically changed the 2nd.

Cant agree . He would still have came in close to 169 come fight night . He also wouldnt have been caught with as many punches due to being in better condition. It really wasn't the Diaz we seen in his previous fight.

Looking back it was quite a pedestrian 1st round . Conor walked for nearly all of the 5 minutes. Not near as tiring as the Mendes fight was for him. It was strange to see to. There is no way his cardio should be better at 145, doesnt make sense .

When Diaz caught him with that left the fight was over , gassing or not gassing , it was just a matter of time.

Really looking forward to the Aldo rematch and may go over for it again

sReq | uTeK · 08-03-2016 02:20PM

I'd like to start by saying I'm posting this as a blissfully ignorant UFC "FAN"

Watching the fight it just looked like Conor ran out of steam, he wasn't smart which he eluded too. It did look to me however that of the two men one was significantly more skillful at moving and landing punches than the other and that was Conor. He should have realised that after hitting Diaz with some big big punches (it was like a sledge hammer hitting a brick wall and chipping away at it) that he should have curbed his enthusiasm and tried to go more for a points win.

One thing that would worry me for Conor is that this is a 5 round 5 minute sport. I've never seen him go past 2 rounds. And the way he looked so out of breath after round 1 would worry me about his stamina, especially when Diaz had a 10 day camp.

However, again I'm probably talking about my arse. I do think Conor can continue to dominate the FW division and will continue to do so. However I think he needs to tone down this invincibility persona and realise you can't kill everyone in 13 seconds.

irishguy1983 · 08-03-2016 03:09PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I'd like to start by saying I'm posting this as a blissfully ignorant UFC "FAN"

Watching the fight it just looked like Conor ran out of steam, he wasn't smart which he eluded too. It did look to me however that of the two men one was significantly more skillful at moving and landing punches than the other and that was Conor. He should have realised that after hitting Diaz with some big big punches (it was like a sledge hammer hitting a brick wall and chipping away at it) that he should have curbed his enthusiasm and tried to go more for a points win.

One thing that would worry me for Conor is that this is a 5 round 5 minute sport. I've never seen him go past 2 rounds. And the way he looked so out of breath after round 1 would worry me about his stamina, especially when Diaz had a 10 day camp.

However, again I'm probably talking about my arse. I do think Conor can continue to dominate the FW division and will continue to do so. However I think he needs to tone down this invincibility persona and realise you can't kill everyone in 13 seconds.

Some good points there and I'm a newbie to this sport too - nobody seems to be picking up on the fact he was shattered by round 2.

He seems to think this is ok himself by speaking about not being efficient with his energy - he only lasted 2 rounds!

I understand Diaz was different height, weight, etc. but for him to suggest he was not efficient with his energy is a bit of a joke. Like I understand he was clearly tired but how has this happened? Gees I'm nearly fitter than that myself!

Swashbuckler · 08-03-2016 03:15PM

irishguy1983 wrote: »

Some good points there and I'm a newbie to this sport too - nobody seems to be picking up on the fact he was shattered by round 2.

He seems to think this is ok himself by speaking about not being efficient with his energy - he only lasted 2 rounds!

I understand Diaz was different height, weight, etc. but for him to suggest he was not efficient with his energy is a bit of a joke. Like I understand he was clearly tired but how has this happened? Gees I'm nearly fitter than that myself!

It hasn't been overlooked. It's just been lost in the tonne of garbage posted in this thread over the last few days. He was gassed because he was putting everything into his punches. Every punch he threw was as much as he could put into it. That's what he means by inefficient . You throw 60 or 70 full force punches in 5 minutes and see how fit you feel after it.

Myrddin · 08-03-2016 03:24PM

irishguy1983 wrote: »

I understand Diaz was different height, weight, etc. but for him to suggest he was not efficient with his energy is a bit of a joke. Like I understand he was clearly tired but how has this happened? Gees I'm nearly fitter than that myself!

I took that as a very accurate analysis by Conor. He certainly wasn't efficient with his energy, he loaded up power shot after power shot, and tried to KO Nate. Conor, by saying what he said, is acknowledging that this tactic was flawed, and he underestimated Nate's ability to weather power shots. I feel it was an admission by Conor that his game plan was very wrong, & that he underestimated Nate. I believe fighting at 170 only aided his gassing too, all that muscle needs oxygen after all.

Do I think he could beat Nate again? Yeah, I think he could, but not in the way he'd like to. To beat Nate, Conor would have to essentially play it round by round, playing the points game. I don't think he can KO Nate, & I think Nate with a full camp and at 155 would be a step up again for Conor. I think from it all, Conor will learn from it, & come back stronger. He's arguably guilty of getting a bit complacent given how well he has done, but I think nobody knows that now better than him. That can be fixed, & it probably already has been by now truth be told.

His next fight has a serious monkey on its back though, Edgar or Aldo will go into the fight with the bit between their teeth, & Conor will be carrying the weight of his first loss in UFC. It'll be a fascinating, but hugely important fight for him. Two losses in a row, & one back at 145, would be pretty bad.

Tazzimus · 08-03-2016 03:27PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

That's what he means by inefficient . You throw 60 or 70 full force punches in 5 minutes and see how fit you feel after it.

This. All of this.

No matter who you are, throwing full power shots for 5 mins will tire you out.
That, the ducking and weaving, plus the few shots he absorbed landing his all added up.

The Diaz bros have a habit of hiding one or two full power shots among 5 or 6 half ish power ones to lull you into thinking "he doesn't punch so hard, I can take these and fire back no problem"

Kev_2012 · 08-03-2016 03:29PM

I'm watching MMA about 15 years and the first things I noticed is that he was off his game going to 170, but he looked decent in the first round although he was overstretching looking for a knockout and wasting a lot of energy.

However, Diaz is one tough SOB. He has deceptively strong punches and his ground game was excellent. Conor's ground game is rubbish. I honestly don't know how he is a brown belt in BJJ.

The first things you learn are don't give away your back ever and he didn't even attempt to drop his chin and attempt to stop Diaz from locking in the choke.

I'm glad this was a non title fight and at an uncomfortable weight for him. I guarantee that he will come back much much better as a result of this.

Having said all that, many of the UFC fighters are a bit clueless when it comes to Jiu jitsu basics! I have only a yellow belt (I missed 2 gradings due to injury :mad: ), but they seem to be devoid of basic submission reversals.

Shurimgreat · 08-03-2016 03:30PM

I'm a relative newbie too. Not a big fan of McGregor in general however, I think he was being a bit harsh on himself. He gave some good shots in round 1, was very efficient in that most of his punches hit Diaz square. Have to give Diaz a lot of credit and yes he has a good chin. I think the step up in weight was what cost McGregor as opposed to him fighting badly. I don't think tiredness and having a bad chin are related. It doesn't help being tired as your defences are down but you see some fighters in boxing and mma who are fresh and get knocked out (eg Aldo) and you see some fighters who are tired and can still take punches (as Diaz did). You can up the weight in a couple of weeks but you can't really build up the strength. That takes longer.

bur · 08-03-2016 03:36PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

I'm watching MMA about 15 years and the first things I noticed is that he was off his game going to 170, but he looked decent in the first round although he was overstretching looking for a knockout and wasting a lot of energy.

However, Diaz is one tough SOB. He has deceptively strong punches and his ground game was excellent. Conor's ground game is rubbish. I honestly don't know how he is a brown belt in BJJ.

The first things you learn are don't give away your back ever and he didn't even attempt to drop his chin and attempt to stop Diaz from locking in the choke.

I'm glad this was a non title fight and at an uncomfortable weight for him. I guarantee that he will come back much much better as a result of this.

Having said all that, many of the UFC fighters are a bit clueless when it comes to Jiu jitsu basics! I have only a yellow belt (I missed 2 gradings due to injury :mad: ), but they seem to be devoid of basic submission reversals.

His JJ is actually serviceable while he has energy. Fight ended the way it did because Nate was boxing the head off him by the end and Conor took the simplest way out of the fight by offering the RNC.

bur · 08-03-2016 03:39PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I'm a relative newbie too. Not a big fan of McGregor in general however, I think he was being a bit harsh on himself. He gave some good shots in round 1, was very efficient in that most of his punches hit Diaz square. Have to give Diaz a lot of credit and yes he has a good chin. I think the step up in weight was what cost McGregor as opposed to him fighting badly. I don't think tiredness and having a bad chin are related. It doesn't help being tired as your defences are down but you see some fighters in boxing and mma who are fresh and get knocked out (eg Aldo) and you see some fighters who are tired and can still take punches (as Diaz did). You can up the weight in a couple of weeks but you can't really build up the strength. That takes longer.

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Irishcrx · 08-03-2016 03:44PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

I'm watching MMA about 15 years and the first things I noticed is that he was off his game going to 170, but he looked decent in the first round although he was overstretching looking for a knockout and wasting a lot of energy.

However, Diaz is one tough SOB. He has deceptively strong punches and his ground game was excellent. Conor's ground game is rubbish. I honestly don't know how he is a brown belt in BJJ.

The first things you learn are don't give away your back ever and he didn't even attempt to drop his chin and attempt to stop Diaz from locking in the choke.

I'm glad this was a non title fight and at an uncomfortable weight for him. I guarantee that he will come back much much better as a result of this.

Having said all that, many of the UFC fighters are a bit clueless when it comes to Jiu jitsu basics! I have only a yellow belt (I missed 2 gradings due to injury :mad: ), but they seem to be devoid of basic submission reversals.

Very good spot actually , before Conor gets hit with that straight left I'm fairly sure Nate was throwing half shots to lure him in , I think he even slapped him accross the face and taunted him , Conor came at him and left himself open and that's when he hit him with the full force straight that pretty much KO'd him and led to the end of the fight.

Irishcrx · 08-03-2016 03:52PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

I'd like to see McGregor come back and win his next fight in 12 seconds; just to see the reaction on here and sherdog. It would be glorious.

TBH , I think it would be more impressive if he went 4/5 rounds with Aldo and won then...maybe then we would see how his stamina can go, some ground defence...

All winning in 12 seconds might tell us is, too big for 145...not powerful enough (Yet) for 155.

DrumSteve · 08-03-2016 04:21PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

TBH , I think it would be more impressive if he went 4/5 rounds with Aldo and won then...maybe then we would see how his stamina can go, some ground defence...

All winning in 12 seconds might tell us is, too big for 145...not powerful enough (Yet) for 155.

I don't think his ground defense is half as bad as people make out.

He had just taken a couple of straights to the face beforehand and was more or less Ko'd on his feet.

While my previous comment was slightly in jest, I do agree with you also, it'd be good to see him go 5 rounds and come out on top.

Deadst4r · 08-03-2016 04:24PM

Slowed down gifs of Conors best moments in the fight, https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/49i618/imagegif_mcgregors_best_moments_from_ufc_196/

Gamebred · 08-03-2016 04:26PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

I'm watching MMA about 15 years and the first things I noticed is that he was off his game going to 170, but he looked decent in the first round although he was overstretching looking for a knockout and wasting a lot of energy.

However, Diaz is one tough SOB. He has deceptively strong punches and his ground game was excellent. Conor's ground game is rubbish. I honestly don't know how he is a brown belt in BJJ.

The first things you learn are don't give away your back ever and he didn't even attempt to drop his chin and attempt to stop Diaz from locking in the choke.

I'm glad this was a non title fight and at an uncomfortable weight for him. I guarantee that he will come back much much better as a result of this.

Having said all that, many of the UFC fighters are a bit clueless when it comes to Jiu jitsu basics! I have only a yellow belt (I missed 2 gradings due to injury :mad: ), but they seem to be devoid of basic submission reversals.

You have a yellow belt? wtf where do you train and what age are you

Zero-Cool · 08-03-2016 04:27PM

Gamebred wrote: »

You have a yellow belt? wtf where do you train and what age are you

I think Japanese Jiu Jitsu has yellow belt?

yourdeadwright · 08-03-2016 04:43PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

I'm watching MMA about 15 years and the first things I noticed is that he was off his game going to 170, but he looked decent in the first round although he was overstretching looking for a knockout and wasting a lot of energy.

However, Diaz is one tough SOB. He has deceptively strong punches and his ground game was excellent. Conor's ground game is rubbish. I honestly don't know how he is a brown belt in BJJ.

The first things you learn are don't give away your back ever and he didn't even attempt to drop his chin and attempt to stop Diaz from locking in the choke.

I'm glad this was a non title fight and at an uncomfortable weight for him. I guarantee that he will come back much much better as a result of this.

Having said all that, many of the UFC fighters are a bit clueless when it comes to Jiu jitsu basics! I have only a yellow belt (I missed 2 gradings due to injury :mad: ), but they seem to be devoid of basic submission reversals.

A yellow belt in BJJ ??

yourdeadwright · 08-03-2016 04:45PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I'm a relative newbie too. Not a big fan of McGregor in general however, I think he was being a bit harsh on himself. He gave some good shots in round 1, was very efficient in that most of his punches hit Diaz square. Have to give Diaz a lot of credit and yes he has a good chin. I think the step up in weight was what cost McGregor as opposed to him fighting badly. I don't think tiredness and having a bad chin are related. It doesn't help being tired as your defences are down but you see some fighters in boxing and mma who are fresh and get knocked out (eg Aldo) and you see some fighters who are tired and can still take punches (as Diaz did). You can up the weight in a couple of weeks but you can't really build up the strength. That takes longer.

The major issue is while you can add muscle fairly quickly it takes 3 times that time for your lunges and Heart to get used to the new muscle to have the same output cardio wise and you would at the lower weight,

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