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Nelson's Pillar

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  • #482
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    maryishere wrote: »
    Selective quotation. The "civilised countries" you infer were not "well into it", and indeed these countries fought against the Axis countries ( Germany, Italy, Japan etc ) in WW2.

    If you ever want to see how Homosexuals, Travellers (gyspies), the Disabled and Jews, - including from neutral countries the Nazis invaded - go to visit many of the places in Europe where they were guests of the Nazis.
    Several countries suffered invasion in spite of their efforts to be neutral. These included Nazi Germany's invasion of Denmark and Norway on 9 April 1940—then Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg on 10 May 1940.

    The British are actually a generally fair and tolerant race.

    while not laughing too much , I suggest the Irgun didnt see it that way , nor the many african races etc , not to mention a bunch of disgruntled farmers in new england !

    The Jews in europe were systematically persecuted for centuries .mostly at the behest of the church in Rome, the Germans typically were just a bit efficient

    very few if any nations are completely free on the taints of race or creed exploitation


  • #483
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Bit pointless waging a war "defending" innocent people from fascists, then to literally help and allow another shower of fascist trash to kill and torture them elsewhere ain't it?

    its called free markets economics, and is why the USA offered $500 dollars for every Stinger missile recovered in Afghanistan , surprisingly only several were so handed in :D


  • #484
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    buried wrote: »
    Bit pointless waging a war "defending" innocent people from fascists, then to literally help and allow another shower of fascist trash to kill and torture them elsewhere ain't it?
    I am not a fan of Saudi Arabia but there is no camparison between the crimes committed by Nazi Germany and Saudi Arabia.


    Irish exports to Saudi Arabia in the first 10 months of last year were worth €623m - an increase of €59m on the same period a year earlier.
    The Irish embassy in Saudi Arabaia is continually striving to do more and more trade with Saudi.

    Over the years the United Kingdom, France, Spain, Belgium and plenty more have made valuable profits out of selling warplanes, bombs and missiles to Saudi Arabia. Thing is, Saudi has oil...


  • #485
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    BoatMad wrote: »
    very few if any nations are completely free on the taints of race or creed exploitation

    Nobody or no nation is perfect. Democracy is not perfect either. However certain countries have a track record of being more tolerant, over the past 100 years say, than others. Our track record with regard to Jews in Ireland is nothing to be proud of.


  • #486
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    BoatMad wrote: »
    while not laughing too much , I suggest the Irgun didnt see it that way , nor the many african races etc , not to mention a bunch of disgruntled farmers in new england !

    The Jews in europe were systematically persecuted for centuries .mostly at the behest of the church in Rome, the Germans typically were just a bit efficient

    very few if any nations are completely free on the taints of race or creed exploitation
    BoatMad wrote: »
    sure, that justifies everything :rolleyes:

    hmmm....


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  • #487
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Irish exports to Saudi Arabia in the first 10 months of last year were worth €623m - an increase of €59m on the same period a year earlier.
    The Irish embassy in Saudi Arabaia is continually striving to do more and more trade with Saudi.

    ah the , we trade with them , so they are nice , argument, blindsided the USA in a big way too

    The planet is awash with oil, SA less important as each day goes by

    its the home of Jihadism, I expect the USA will roll in in the next 3-5 years and snuff them out


  • #488
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    maryishere wrote: »
    Nobody or no nation is perfect. Democracy is not perfect either. However certain countries have a track record of being more tolerant, over the past 100 years say, than others. Our track record with regard to Jews in Ireland is nothing to be proud of.

    you can select epochs that show nations in the best light, its called min/maxing.]

    the USAs treatment of Hawaii for example during ww2 was nothing short of despicable


  • #489
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    BoatMad wrote: »
    you can select epochs that show nations in the best light, its called min/maxing.]

    the USAs treatment of Hawaii for example during ww2 was nothing short of despicable

    Do you mean the treatment of the Japanese / asian part of the population by the USA authorities then? The internment? A lot more despicable things happened in the wars years methinks.


  • #490
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    maryishere wrote: »
    I am not a fan of Saudi Arabia but there is no camparison between the crimes committed by Nazi Germany and Saudi Arabia.

    You can make plenty of comparisons. Both were/are the darkest, most powerful, global destabilizing, war mongering, fascist dictatorships on the entire planet. Only difference is one of them existed for a few years while the other one has existed for decades right up to today, the most recent being continuously fed weapons of war and torture by your "freedom defending" Great Britain.
    Such hypocrisy probably has Horatio Nelson spinning so much in his grave he's blown up his own skeleton

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #491
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    The removal (and replacement) of Lord Nelson atop the pillar was mentioned before in this thread, but even that idea was not enough for the uber Republican mindset who like the Taliban would just prefer to blow it up!

    Muck savages.

    Still haven't answered the question I see.
    maryishere wrote:
    Correct. Nelson was respected by the 400 Dubliners who fought with him, and they found from Nelson no discrimination or hate based on race, religion and so on. Arguably the discrimination and hate based on race, religion and so on came from those who blew up the pillar.

    Jimmy with three "m's" wasn't it?
    FrattonFred wrote:
    What question was that?

    Why the same question as always Fred. The question I have to repeat and repeat because I never receive an answer.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98987539&postcount=421


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  • #492
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    You'd be surprised how many 'civilised' countries were well into the ol' eugenics that the Nazis used to justify slave labour and concentration camps. It quickly went out of fashion after WWII.

    ...except, afaik, for Sweden.


  • #493
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    buried wrote: »
    "continuously fed weapons of war and torture by your "freedom defending" Great Britain.

    Its not "my" Great Britain, I am not a citizen nor do I live there and nor was I born there. However you need to get your facts right. The USA is the biggest exporter of arms in the world. If you want to open up a separate thread on Saudi Arabia, do so. In the meantime, rest assured that our exports to Saudi from this little country are worth over 2 million euro PER DAY! :D
    Wonder if any of our politicians will visit our embassy there for a Paddy's day junket?


  • #494
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    maryishere wrote: »
    Its not "my" Great Britain, I am not a citizen nor do I live there and nor was I born there. However you need to get your facts right. The USA is the biggest exporter of arms in the world. If you want to open up a separate thread on Saudi Arabia, do so. In the meantime, rest assured that our exports to Saudi from this little country are worth over 2 million euro PER DAY! :D
    Wonder if any of our politicians will visit our embassy there for a Paddy's day junket?

    About 2 million per year, jimmmy boy.
    https://www.djei.ie/en/Publications/Publication-files/Note-re-military-licences-statistics-contained-in-the-Report-under-the-Control-of-Exports-Act-2008-2013-2014.pdf


  • #495
    NotYourYear20
    Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭NotYourYear20


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    When you consider that the shinnerbots revere a Nazi sympathizer who was plotting an invasion of Ireland by the third Reich, you come to realise that hypocrisy is second nature to them.

    Pulling out the oul Shinnerbot card I see. Always a classic sign that you've lost the debate.


  • #496
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Nodin wrote: »
    About 2 million per year

    Ireland’s trade with Saudi Arabia amounts to almost €900 million per annum.
    http://www.nascireland.org/latest-news/pq-human-rights-issues-ireland-saudi-arabia-business-council/


  • #497
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    maryishere wrote: »
    Ireland’s trade with Saudi Arabia amounts to almost €900 million per annum.
    http://www.nascireland.org/latest-news/pq-human-rights-issues-ireland-saudi-arabia-business-council/

    But he really wasn't talking about exports of arms, was he?

    ".........seeing how Britain is the biggest exporter of arms and weapons to Saudi Arabia the "decapitators of the disabled, homosexuals, gypsies, jews, democracy campaigners, women and anybody else they don't like".
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98990713&postcount=481

    You were never good at this.


  • #498
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    NotYourYear20 wrote: »
    Pulling out the oul Shinnerbot card I see. Always a classic sign that you've lost the debate.

    Would you prefer shinner Borg? That's probably more accurate.


  • #499
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    It was no more than a monument to British triumphalism.


  • #500
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    Some of the comments in this thread are so ridiculous. You'd swear there was only one IRA.

    They're called DISSIDENT republicans for a reason.


  • #501
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    LordSutch wrote: »
    The removal (and replacement) of Lord Nelson atop the pillar was mentioned before in this thread, but even that idea was not enough for the uber Republican mindset who like the Taliban would just prefer to blow it up!

    Muck savages.



    Muck savages har har har

    did you drop your monocle into your pimms when you were screaming that lord sutch.

    Another classic from you.


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  • #502
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    But he really wasn't talking about exports of arms, was he?

    ".........seeing how Britain is the biggest exporter of arms and weapons to Saudi Arabia the "decapitators of the disabled, homosexuals, gypsies, jews, democracy campaigners, women and anybody else they don't like".
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98990713&postcount=481

    You were never good at this.

    No arms? Phew.

    http://www.aicc.ie/content/ireland-and-kingdom-saudi-arabia-share-excellent-ties-says-outgoing-ambassador-niall-holohan


  • #503
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    MRnotlob606 wrote: »
    It was no more than a monument to British triumphalism.

    Did the right side win at Trafalgar?


  • #504
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Nodin wrote: »
    ".........seeing how Britain is the biggest exporter of arms and weapons to Saudi Arabia the "decapitators of the disabled, homosexuals, gypsies, jews, democracy campaigners, women and anybody else they don't like".

    You've got a nerve going on about what the Saudi's did when you own Provo mates were well known for all kinds of lovely deeds aainst anybody whom they didn't like. Do you know how many of the IRAs Disappeared have still to be found in the ground? Do you know how many middle aged men are still hobbling round without knee caps? How many people are in wheel chairs without their legs or arms courtesy of your beloved Provisional IRA? but don't worry, these are rhetorical questions, so you won't have to provide numbers or stats, but suffice to say that you (the defender of the PIRA and all its dirty deeds) should not be on a soap box preaching about the ills of others.


  • #505
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    Muck savages har har har

    A song released by four Belfast school teachers called 'Up Went Nelson' went to number one for eight weeks shortly after the ugly ill-placed yoke was blown up.

    I guess that Lordgrudge, Baton Fred and Scaryishere consider everyone who bought a record with a clear anti-colonial message as 'mucksavages' or were being directed by 'shinner-central'.

    Ha har har.


  • #506
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    buried wrote: »
    lol Great Britain, the "defenders of the disabled, homosexuals, gypsies and jews" Standards have slipped a good bit so, seeing how Britain is the biggest exporter of arms and weapons to Saudi Arabia

    I bellieve you are confused. KSA is the UK's largest arms export market, thanks to the deal for Typhoons. I'm not sure that equates to Saudi's largest supplier


  • #507
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    maryishere wrote: »
    Its not "my" Great Britain, I am not a citizen nor do I live there and nor was I born there. However you need to get your facts right. The USA is the biggest exporter of arms in the world. If you want to open up a separate thread on Saudi Arabia, do so. In the meantime, rest assured that our exports to Saudi from this little country are worth over 2 million euro PER DAY! :D
    Wonder if any of our politicians will visit our embassy there for a Paddy's day junket?

    As I guessed I've seen not one true English man (apart from Fred) in this thread.


  • #508
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    maryishere wrote: »
    Its not "my" Great Britain, I am not a citizen nor do I live there and nor was I born there. However you need to get your facts right. The USA is the biggest exporter of arms in the world. If you want to open up a separate thread on Saudi Arabia, do so. In the meantime, rest assured that our exports to Saudi from this little country are worth over 2 million euro PER DAY! :D
    Wonder if any of our politicians will visit our embassy there for a Paddy's day junket?

    Hold on a minute, Your the one in here claiming that the British establishment are somehow the global white shining Jedi Knights for the "defence of minorities" when the actual reality is that the British establishment are allied to the most brutal fascist regime on the planet, a regime that spends every Friday afternoon chopping off the heads of women whose only crime was probably walk outside their own house. A regime of scum that make ISIS (Saudi creation) look like the Smurfs. So don't be coming on here with this ridiculous nonsense about Britain "defending minorities of the globe" when the reality is quite the disgraceful opposite

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #509
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I bellieve you are confused. KSA is the UK's largest arms export market, thanks to the deal for Typhoons. I'm not sure that equates to Saudi's largest supplier

    Yeah, that's fair enough Fred, I should have stated them as "one of the biggest".
    But my point still stands and furthermore, What would Lord Nelson have made of such hypocrisy?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #510
    Coat22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Coat22


    Hopefully the same guys will come back this week and blow up the rest of O'Connell St - its an embarrassment of a focal point in a capital city and has been for a good 30 years but nobody seems too bothered about it


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  • #511
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    buried wrote: »
    What would Lord Nelson have made of such hypocrisy?

    I would imagine the whole thing would have baffled him.


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