UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

The Golden Miller · 08-03-2016 03:16AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

What are you talking about?

Where has Diaz proved himself against bigger guys than himself? He’s one of the biggest LWs out there and who are his big wins against at WW?

I never said he has any major wins at WW but he goes the distance after taking a beating.

The Golden Miller · 08-03-2016 03:28AM

Paully D wrote: »

A question that pops into my head is: would McGregor v Diaz with both fighters at 155lbs look different? I'd be very interested to hear all your thoughts on that.

Nate kills him. You can talk all day about their strengths and weaknesses in terms of fighting ability but the reality is McGregor will never knock out a seasoned and hardened attrition fighter like Nate at any weight. Nate will always get into the fight at some point and when he does it's curtains for McGregor. McGregor crumbles under sustained attack and is simply no grinder and can't go the distance against a real fighter who is able to handle his power. Infact, I hope that fight does take place and just like before this fight I say with 100% certainty that Nate wins by KO or TKO and I'd be putting serious money on it too. Nate's a different breed to Conor, he's a piece of steel. Men against boys stuff

Foxtrol · 08-03-2016 04:28AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I never said he has any major wins at WW but he goes the distance after taking a beating.

What is the point of trying to prove he can take a beating? The fact he took such at WW is the reason why he struggles through the cuts he hates to make LW.

You don't win fights by solely being a human punching bag and it's been proved time and again that the Diaz' brothers can be beaten if you fight smart, McGregor did the opposite.

Foxtrol · 08-03-2016 04:37AM

pone2012 wrote: »

Wow just reading over the posts amazes me altogether

Diaz takes Mcgregor anyday simply because of how they fight

Mcgregor banks on a fast finish...Diaz will stand and trade all day...yes Conor won the first round but did he hurt Diaz? Not really , and Diaz said so himself ..... He came out of round one just getting warmed up..bloodied yes...but thats practically diaz's trademark

You'd swear this was genius level stuff the way people are going on

To quote Diaz

" you better knock me out otherwise it's gonna be a bad night for you "

Conor doesn't do distances, he does finishes

He couldn't finish Diaz, so Diaz finished him

Accept that please..the superior fighter won that bout...people seem in denial about this for some unknown reason

Conor went for a finish early in this fight but we've seen him more than able to be patient previously.

He also has the tools that could be used to fight more passively, picking his shots, taking rounds, waiting for openings.

You're acting as if he fought the perfect fight and was outclassed, if anything the opposite was the case and Conor still had success.

The Golden Miller · 08-03-2016 05:09AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

What is the point of trying to prove he can take a beating? The fact he took such at WW is the reason why he struggles through the cuts he hates to make LW.

It shows you can't rattle Diaz no matter what you throw at him. He'll keep coming after you. If there were no time limits he'd probably be world heavyweight champion by now (an exaggeration obviously). Once a fighter can handle McGregors power and brings the fight to him you can see that he gets visibly rattled fairly easily. He's a bit soft when you look past all the bravado. He's unproven in any real brawls and from anything we've seen that comes vaguely close to one it leaves you very uninspired. If he moves to LW (whether he wins or loses remains to be seen) he can expect many long nights/brawls ahead. He'll continue to get his head kicked in at WW

Mellor · 08-03-2016 05:29AM

Only catching up with this thread now. Too many posts to quote. all I'll say it this, it's unfortunate (in my eyes) that McGregor lost. However, we are very lucky that the fight on Sunday attracted so many fans to the forum. And we are very lucky that so many of them bring advanced striking, conditioning and jiu jitsu knowledge with them.

Welcome lads

The Golden Miller · 08-03-2016 05:45AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Conor went for a finish early in this fight but we've seen him more than able to be patient previously.

He also has the tools that could be used to fight more passively, picking his shots, taking rounds, waiting for openings.

You're acting as if he fought the perfect fight and was outclassed, if anything the opposite was the case and Conor still had success.

He was demolished. Technically McGregor is better than Nate, but that counts for very little as he's just too weak to take out these bigger guys, especially a warhorse like Nate. And any change he makes to be "more efficient with his energy" won't make one blind bit of difference in a rematch with Diaz (does he copyright a new buzz word/phrase for every fight?) . He may have a very slim chance of nicking a points win in a 3 round fight, but that's highly unlikely too. Nate would catch him and beat him down by midway through the 3rd round at latest imo. Over 5 rounds McGregor may as well just forget about it

Mellor · 08-03-2016 06:27AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Then again maybe he was more gone than I'm realising before he even hit the matt and it was just survival mode.

I'm fairly certain that was the case tbh.

maximoose wrote: »

Slow-mo of Nate's leg trap that kept Conor from escaping

Love seeing the intricate technical moves that I miss 90% of the time in real time

Very slick, and also massively affected the outcome of the fight.
If he didn't catch that leg trap, passes to side control (safe side), and Diaz has no choke and no position. The leg trap only stalls McGregor for a few seconds too, it's hard to tel, but it looks like to me that McGregor was going to to the (or mount as per his dope pass on Dennis Siver) you can see in the above gif Diaz releases his right hand keeping the left trapped. It cuts out but he pushed McGregor over, sweeping him when he went to pass back. It forcing him to attempt to roll escape (that he did verses Mendes, here with JK). Diaz kept the arm trapped and ultimately that's what lend to the mount>back>RNC.

Another nice geappling details came for me in the first..
Conor throws a lazy kick, Nate catches it and "runs the pipe". Conor immediately secures the ankle control in butterfly guard, the weaves into X-guard and sweeps Diaz. Very small details that people miss, but not something hat you can do accidentally.

JustTheOne · 08-03-2016 07:44AM

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

As Ken early said on the podcast. Of course he was humble . You have to be when you are bang to rights and have had your jaws boxed off. Conclusively beaten.

Another brilliant point made which doesn't just apply to this thread but to modern life in general is that people now have an all encompassing view of what trolling is. It seems if you disagree with anyone or produce any counter viewpoint you are a troll, a contrarian and the last bastion of a beaten debater ......a begrudger.

I have veen told in this thread that my betting was sometimes to be embarrassed about.
I've been told I live a sad life.
I've been told I'm a sad man.
I've been told I'm a begrudger.

Not once did I say anything about any poster in this thread.

But they attack. They sling mud. They defend blindly.
It's akin to Liverpool fans post Suarez-gate.

I hope he loses his next fight.

Then the emporer well and truly has no clothes.

You say of course he was humble because he got his jaw boxed off.

Now was aldo humble after having his jaw boxed off?

Not once did he congratulate conor, he just came up with excuse after excuse. Even after it conor went up to shake his hand but aldo ignored him.

Then conor released a statement saying what a great champ aldo was etc but still nothing from aldo.

He accepted his defeat the other night and made no excuses.

You seem to have no idea what your ranting about.

Martypants1 · 08-03-2016 08:54AM

I find it highly amusing that when Conor says something like if he fought RDA he would have beaten him, it's seen as building up another fight. But when Aldo posts on twitter about Conor all of a sudden he's a pussy for doing it and a coward.

JustTheOne · 08-03-2016 09:02AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

I find it highly amusing that when Conor says something like if he fought RDA he would have beaten him, it's seen as building up another fight. But when Aldo posts on twitter about Conor all of a sudden he's a pussy for doing it and a coward.

Aldo called conor anytime anywhere. But when it was put to him he turned it down. Then he goes on slating conor when he lost.

Let alone all the soup grapes since loosing in December.

John_D80 · 08-03-2016 09:19AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

I find it highly amusing that when Conor says something like if he fought RDA he would have beaten him, it's seen as building up another fight. But when Aldo posts on twitter about Conor all of a sudden he's a pussy for doing it and a coward.

Conor called Aldo a pussy because he has turned down fights with him twice and then takes to social media to slate him for losing to Diaz.

McGregor has consistently sought the biggest fights. Aldo consistently runs away from them.

Martypants1 · 08-03-2016 09:24AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Aldo called conor anytime anywhere. But when it was put to him he turned it down. Then he goes on slating conor when he lost.

Let alone all the soup grapes since loosing in December.

Well he was just started back training didn't he? I think you took the "anytime, anywhere" thing a bit too literal. Wouldn't really have been fair for McGregor to be preparing to fight at 170 and then Aldo fighting someone 2 weight divisions above.

As we know already McGregor has already been cutting drastically to get to FW and by the time the fight starts he is much bigger than his opponent. Joe Rogan even mentioned that it was ridiculous that the dehydration before fights happened and hoped that fights at normal weight happen like Saturday.

I think Nate got it spot on when he said McGregor fights midgets.

Conor probably thought "I might try and fight at my real weight class and see can I do it." If he won everyone would have been like "WOW, he went up TWO divisions and WON, what an incredible achievement" when in fact he should be fighting men that size anyways.

08-03-2016 09:31AM

John_D80 wrote: »

Conor called Aldo a pussy because he has turned down fights with him twice and then takes to social media to slate him for losing to Diaz.

McGregor has consistently sought the biggest fights. Aldo consistently runs away from them.

or pulls out of them, or send the drug testing agents home, or spills his piss when finally giving said sample!! or only wants to fight in Brazil, well as much as he can!!

Everything stinks about how he carries himself to be honest.

Martypants1 · 08-03-2016 09:32AM

John_D80 wrote: »

Conor called Aldo a pussy because he has turned down fights with him twice and then takes to social media to slate him for losing to Diaz.

McGregor has consistently sought the biggest fights. Aldo consistently runs away from them.

He always seeks the biggest fights yet he was going to get a crack at Aldo after beating Siver. Look at Siver, he's a midget. There was absolutely no contest there. He had an easy run all along. Brandao in Dublin sat down in the corner and the fight finished, he basically gave up.

Conor is down to 8th in the P4P rankings as an aside.

John_D80 · 08-03-2016 09:33AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

Well he was just started back training didn't he? I think you took the "anytime, anywhere" thing a bit too literal. Wouldn't really have been fair for McGregor to be preparing to fight at 170 and then Aldo fighting someone 2 weight divisions above.

Also was offered the fight at 155. They would both have weighed in at 156 max so what you are saying makes zero sense. He ran his mouth, and bottled it when it came to the crunch again.

Martypants1 · 08-03-2016 09:34AM

rusty cole wrote: »

or pulls out of them, or send the drug testing agents home, or spills his piss when finally giving said sample!! or only wants to fight in Brazil, well as much as he can!!

Everything stinks about how he carries himself to be honest.

And Dana White only decided to take the belt off him when Conor was fighting....hmmmmmm.

6 of Conors last 12 opponents have pulled out. Coincidence or manufactured to give Conor the best possible chance of success?

John_D80 · 08-03-2016 09:40AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

He always seeks the biggest fights yet he was going to get a crack at Aldo after beating Siver. Look at Siver, he's a midget. There was absolutely no contest there. He had an easy run all along. Brandao in Dublin sat down in the corner and the fight finished, he basically gave up.

Conor is down to 8th in the P4P rankings as an aside.

Most people take the P4P rankings as seriously as I'd imagine they would take most of your posts about something you clearly know very little about. ie: not at all.

Take a look at the people Mendes and Edgar beat before they got a title shot and then see how your point stands up. Edgar was coming off two straight losses and he got a shot. Mcgregor was riding a 5 fight streak with 4 KO's.

John_D80 · 08-03-2016 09:41AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

6 of Conors last 12 opponents have pulled out. Coincidence or manufactured to give Conor the best possible chance of success?

You really are digging a bit too deep now. Conspiracy theory forum is elsewhere.

Martypants1 wrote: »

And Dana White only decided to take the belt off him when Conor was fighting....hmmmmmm.

What????? Nobody took the belt off Aldo. Aldo was still champion when he faced Mcgregor. Now you're just imagining things!!!!

Seriously, can't be dealing with someone that cant even get their facts right.

08-03-2016 10:05AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

And Dana White only decided to take the belt off him when Conor was fighting....hmmmmmm.

6 of Conors last 12 opponents have pulled out. Coincidence or manufactured to give Conor the best possible chance of success?

so by that theory, why did RDA really pull out then???? hhhmmmmm

it's a coincidence when you want it to be!

maximoose · 08-03-2016 10:09AM

Hack journalism? I agree.

John_D80 · 08-03-2016 10:10AM

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

This is why a large part of the Irish public have no time for McGregor or MMA.

I would urge regular posters not to respond to this and let the mods deal with it.

Martypants1 · 08-03-2016 10:14AM

John_D80 wrote: »

I would urge regular posters not to respond to this and let the mods deal with it.

Backseat modding?

John_D80 · 08-03-2016 10:16AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

Backseat modding?

You figured it out. Just like that time when you worked out how Jose Aldi was stripped of his title for not fight McGregor!!!

Imagination overdrive!!

arybvtcw0eolkf · 08-03-2016 10:18AM

John_D80 wrote: »

I would urge regular posters not to respond to this and let the mods deal with it.

Good call.

A Mod is going to have a look here now.

Thanks for the heads up.

Martypants1 · 08-03-2016 10:18AM

rusty cole wrote: »

so by that theory, why did RDA really pull out then???? hhhmmmmm

it's a coincidence when you want it to be!

Perhaps Dana White gave him a nice chunky cheque to put the fight back?

Photos can easily be doctored. Do we even know that was RDAs foot? McGregor knew that fight wasn't going ahead. He was out during Rag week in Galway.

2 weeks before a world title fight and you're putting yourself into a situation where there's thousands of drunk students? One idiot just needed to throw a bottle and Conor was ruled out of possibly making history.

pablohoney87 · 08-03-2016 10:19AM

Can we remember that we cant discuss ongoing criminal investigations on the Forum guys. The Discussion of the above stops here.

Subcomandante Marcos · 08-03-2016 10:24AM

John_D80 wrote: »

Also was offered the fight at 155. They would both have weighed in at 156 max so what you are saying makes zero sense. He ran his mouth, and bottled it when it came to the crunch again.

He had a no contact medical suspension until the 11th of Feburary, so he would have, at best had 3 weeks back in the gym, and was called 11 days out, meaning he would have had an 10 day camp, including weight cutting and travelling to Vegas.

It was a bull**** offer from Dana. Dana "offered" Frankie the fight even though the UFC knew he was injured.

"offering" the fight to people he knows can't take it means that in a few months time he can say "look, you didn't take it when you were offered it" which is the exact nonsense he will try pull with Frankie in July.

John_D80 · 08-03-2016 10:25AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

Perhaps Dana White gave him a nice chunky cheque to put the fight back?

Photos can easily be doctored. Do we even know that was RDAs foot? McGregor knew that fight wasn't going ahead. He was out during Rag week in Galway.

2 weeks before a world title fight and you're putting yourself into a situation where there's thousands of drunk students? One idiot just needed to throw a bottle and Conor was ruled out of possibly making history.

Doctored pictures, other people's feet, chunky backhand cheques??

Your some man for the conspiracy theories.

John_D80 · 08-03-2016 10:28AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

He had a no contact medical suspension until the 11th of Feburary, so he would have, at best had 3 weeks back in the gym, and was called 11 days out, meaning he would have had an 10 day camp, including weight cutting and travelling to Vegas.

It was a bull**** offer from Dana. Dana "offered" Frankie the fight even though the UFC knew he was injured.

"offering" the fight to people he knows can't take it means that in a few months time he can say "look, you didn't take it when you were offered it" which is the exact nonsense he will try pull with Frankie in July.

Point still stands IMO. Aldo was not willing to take the kind of chance that McGregor would have taken in a similar situation. Neither was Edgar.

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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