UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

Swashbuckler · 07-03-2016 11:23PM

darced wrote: »

I commented on here before the fight that Conor had lost a good bit of size between around 3 weeks out and the weigh ins, he according to himself was doing 4 hour sessions. I suppose he was aiming to cut from 170 to 155 for RDA and that left his weight too low with only 10 days to adjust for Nate.

To be honest I pretty much gave up on this thread last week. Said I'd wait til things settled down a bit. Not that I think size was the dominant factor but that's really interesting. That's not a major cut from 170 to 155. Would've expected him to be heavier.

johnpatrick81 · 07-03-2016 11:41PM

In hindsight it's pretty simple. Conor totally underestimated how much of a hit Nate could handle. I'd say you could punch that guy all night and he'd stay standing and swinging. If he had went in there to play safe and fight smart I reckon he would have beaten Nate on points relatively comfortably. He seemed to be hoping for a hail mary of a finisher, and in fairness landed some sweet uppercuts and straight lefts, but Nate was going nowhere, just soaking it up.

He's still a legend in my eyes and it was a really impressive fight. Hopefully he still fights in UFC 200 defending his title. I'd choose Aldo over Frankie. Frankie then gets the winner.

Chris. · 07-03-2016 11:57PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

And now he loves to let everyone know (including people who were like him who had no money and are struggling to live) just how much money he has.

And what's stopping you going out and making your millions? Maybe if you stopped begrudging one of your own for striving for success you could do something similar with your own life. Like other posters, I really can't understand the hate some people on here show towards a fellow countryman trying to be the best he can be. Such a sad life to lead.

newbbieb · 08-03-2016 12:05AM

rusty cole wrote: »

I was thinking that but even in the two rounds with mendes, he was spent, I know it was all take downs which are huge energy sappers but he was really as spent as mendes I felt. but how fit and good did he look against holloway for 3 rounds...weird..

somethings not right there... he was even trying the mental game saying he could go all day with nate in the opening of round 2, but he knew then I think, So CUD NATE!! EEEEK

he's just done a cool Budweiser ad which is a huge deal. obviously filmed before the fight, good for him, cannot recall such a big brand tying themselves to a UFC fighter in the past!! no wonder they hate em!

Seen this floating around a lot lately too,but i totally disagree about his cardio in the Mendes fight,he got taken down and bloodied up but there wasn't any major signs of him gassing in that fight imo.I thought he looked weak and didn't recover well from the weight cut for that fight but he looked to have plenty left in the tank when that fight ended.

He always seemed like he had excellent cardio,i think you have to factor the fight being at 170 into why he gassed,eating steaks all fight week etc.
It was a massive change up,considering the success he had his whole career using a totally different method,making the fight at 170 wasn't too bright,and thats i think where you have to apportion some of the blame to his team.

But in reality this is probably best for him he has some excuses,jump in weight etc.,and it will bring him back down to reality.Maybe next time he will have a better gameplan,plan A B and C here was just knock Nate out,not only did he underestimate Nate,he should be gameplanning to go five rounds,every time.

nehe milner skudder · 08-03-2016 12:22AM

Great discussion on second captains today about it.

Good point made. Shouldn't be gassing in round two of a 5 rounder . The energy efficiency spiel shouldn't be valid until round 4ish.

Also a good point was made about how he said he would make no excuses and then the first thing he said was " I took a chance going up in weight"

Days before he was slating him . Calling him skinny ,fat , Out of shape etc
You can't have it both ways.

if he won he wouldn't be saying "I took a chance".

He would have continued to rip the piss out of Diaz.

Paully D · 08-03-2016 12:51AM

Watching the fight back a couple of times now that the dust has settled.

Some of my thoughts, most pretty obvious but anyway:

- We already knew it, but man Nate is so tough. McGregor must have landed at least 5 shots that would have floored featherweights and gave a lot of trouble to most lightweights. Homer Simpson springs to mind the way Nate took those shots. :pac:

- Conor clearly won the first round. If he had turned it into a boxing match (i.e. became content to just jab his way through rounds and outpoint Diaz) and conserved his gas tank then I think he could have won that fight. It's not his style I know, and it's easy to say now, but if he fights a bit smarter and takes it round by round then I don't think we're having this conversation tonight.

- Why didn't McGregor attack Diaz's lead leg more often? When he looks back at the fight and reviews it I think that's one thing that will stick out like a sore thumb.

- McGregor was throwing haymaker after haymaker for most of the fight. It's really no wonder he gassed, though I think people are underestimating the fact that he got rocked by Nate too. The shot from Diaz and subsequent barrage contributed massively.

- IMO you can't criticise McGregor's ground game based on that fight. He was rocked, very tired, had to shoot for the takedown in the hope that he might have been able to buy enough time to live another round. I'm under no illusions it's not fantastic by any means, but we're no clearer to knowing either way if it has improved than we were prior to this fight IMO.

Overall, a very interesting fight. 170lbs is obviously too big a jump but I would expect McGregor to have success at lightweight presuming that's the road he goes down.

A question that pops into my head is: would McGregor v Diaz with both fighters at 155lbs look different? I'd be very interested to hear all your thoughts on that.

Chris. · 08-03-2016 12:56AM

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

Great discussion on second captains today about it.

Good point made. Shouldn't be gassing in round two of a 5 rounder . The energy efficiency spiel shouldn't be valid until round 4ish.

Also a good point was made about how he said he would make no excuses and then the first thing he said was " I took a chance going up in weight"

Days before he was slating him . Calling him skinny ,fat , Out of shape etc
You can't have it both ways.

if he won he wouldn't be saying "I took a chance".

He would have continued to rip the piss out of Diaz.

If you gave that any bit of intelligent thought you would realise that's obvious because the risk would have paid off. He showed pure class in defeat, something a lot of Irish begruders could learn a thing or two about.

nehe milner skudder · 08-03-2016 01:07AM

Chris. wrote: »

If you gave that any bit of intelligent thought you would realise that's obvious because the risk would have paid off. He showed pure class in defeat, something a lot of Irish begruders could learn a thing or two about.

As Ken early said on the podcast. Of course he was humble . You have to be when you are bang to rights and have had your jaws boxed off. Conclusively beaten.

Another brilliant point made which doesn't just apply to this thread but to modern life in general is that people now have an all encompassing view of what trolling is. It seems if you disagree with anyone or produce any counter viewpoint you are a troll, a contrarian and the last bastion of a beaten debater ......a begrudger.

I have veen told in this thread that my betting was sometimes to be embarrassed about.
I've been told I live a sad life.
I've been told I'm a sad man.
I've been told I'm a begrudger.

Not once did I say anything about any poster in this thread.

But they attack. They sling mud. They defend blindly.
It's akin to Liverpool fans post Suarez-gate.

I hope he loses his next fight.

Then the emporer well and truly has no clothes.

jigglypuffstuff · 08-03-2016 01:08AM

Wow just reading over the posts amazes me altogether

Diaz takes Mcgregor anyday simply because of how they fight

Mcgregor banks on a fast finish...Diaz will stand and trade all day...yes Conor won the first round but did he hurt Diaz? Not really , and Diaz said so himself ..... He came out of round one just getting warmed up..bloodied yes...but thats practically diaz's trademark

You'd swear this was genius level stuff the way people are going on

To quote Diaz

" you better knock me out otherwise it's gonna be a bad night for you "

Conor doesn't do distances, he does finishes

He couldn't finish Diaz, so Diaz finished him

Accept that please..the superior fighter won that bout...people seem in denial about this for some unknown reason

Gamebred · 08-03-2016 01:09AM

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

As Ken early said on the podcast. Of course he was humble . You have to be when you are bang to rights and have had your jaws boxed off. Conclusively beaten.

Another brilliant point made which doesn't just apply to this thread but to modern life in general is that people now have an all encompassing view of what trolling is. It seems if you disagree with anyone or produce any counter viewpoint you are a troll, a contrarian and the last bastion of a beaten debater ......a begrudger.

I have veen told in this thread that my betting was sometimes to be embarrassed about.
I've been told I live a sad life.
I've been told I'm a sad man.
I've been told I'm a begrudger.

Not once did I say anything about any poster in this thread.

But they attack. They sling mud. They defend blindly.
It's akin to Liverpool fans post Suarez-gate.

I hope he loses his next fight.

Then the emporer well and truly has no clothes.

zzz mate go to bed your taking this whole thing way too serious same with the muppet media that believe the mans promotional **** talk.

nehe milner skudder · 08-03-2016 01:10AM

Gamebred wrote: »

zzz mate go to bed your taking this whole thing way too serious same with the muppet media that believe the mans promotional **** talk.

Another poster who moves the goalposts.
Rather then debate the topic it's just " go to bed "

Gamebred · 08-03-2016 01:13AM

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

Another poster who moves the goalposts.
Rather then debate the topic it's just " go to bed "

Its a fight the man lost get over it,he talks crap and will continue to do so,if you dont like em dont watch him,if you dont like peoples opinions that do like him,dont read them or reply this blown way out proportion getting boring now.

nehe milner skudder · 08-03-2016 01:15AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Its a fight the man lost get over it,he talks crap and will continue to do so,if you dont like em dont watch him,if you dont like peoples opinions that do like him,dont read them or reply this blown way out proportion getting boring now.

I don't mind other people's opinions at all.debate is healthy. My point is the macgregor fans have a penchant for attacking the poster rather than the post .

You don't know me. I don't know you. I have said nothing about you.

I am talking about the topic.

nehe milner skudder · 08-03-2016 01:16AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Its a fight the man lost get over it,he talks crap and will continue to do so,if you dont like em dont watch him,if you dont like peoples opinions that do like him,dont read them or reply this blown way out proportion getting boring now.

How do I know that the post I am reading is from a poster that likes him until after I have read it?

Gamebred · 08-03-2016 01:17AM

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

I don't mind other people's opinions at all.debate is healthy. My point is the macgregor fans have a penchant for attacking the poster rather than the post .

You don't know me. I don't know you. I have said nothing about you.

I am talking about the topic.

Nobody wants to debate promotional tactics used by a fighter that backfired once with a mma forum blow in,its done to the death we get you dont like him being cocky fair play nobody cares get over it if you want to wish ill will on the man hoping he loses thats your own busindess its quite sad.

nehe milner skudder · 08-03-2016 01:19AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Nobody wants to debate promotional tactics used by a fighter that backfired once with a mma forum blow in,its done to the death we get you dont like him being cocky fair play nobody cares get over it if you want to wish ill will on the man hoping he loses thats your own busindess its quite sad.

How do I lose my " blow in " status?

Why is it sad?

daRobot · 08-03-2016 01:21AM

Gamebred wrote: »

the muppet media that believe the mans promotional **** talk.

Agreed. I just fail to see how someone can't seperate the man from his marketing tactics - it's so very obvious.

mdwexford · 08-03-2016 01:28AM

daRobot wrote: »

Agreed. I just fail to see how someone can't seperate the man from his marketing tactics - it's so very obvious.

That's what infuriates me.

He clearly is sound when he's with fans or when he's not promoting a fight. He's doing charity work, meeting with sick kids and signs unlimited autographs and taking photos. None of this ever gets mentioned.

The promotion talk is bollox to get the fans interested to make more money, and to try and unsettle his opponents to increase his chances of winning. And he is doing it to perfection. He's gone from a nobody to running the show within two and half years.

Anyone who can't see that is beyond stupid.

Gamebred · 08-03-2016 01:28AM

daRobot wrote: »

Agreed. I just fail to see how someone can't seperate the man from his marketing tactics - it's so very obvious.

''3 people died making my watch'',a man saying stuff like that and being taken serious mother of god he is a complete wind up merchant its so hard to grasp for these morons celebrating his loss,they are so engulfed in hatred for his media persona they dont even realise it,

He will continue to do so,I suppose the same people are gonna celebrate when Aldo and RDA who make vile comments about him to stir up interest in a fight lose?

No of course they wont,mind boggling.

Billy86 · 08-03-2016 01:42AM

mdwexford wrote: »

That's what infuriates me.

He clearly is sound when he's with fans or when he's not promoting a fight. He's doing charity work, meeting with sick kids and signs unlimited autographs and taking photos. None of this ever gets mentioned.

The promotion talk is bollox to get the fans interested to make more money, and to try and unsettle his opponents to increase his chances of winning. And he is doing it to perfection. He's gone from a nobody to running the show within two and half years.

Anyone who can't see that is beyond stupid.

I wouldn't pay much notice to them, a lot of the people who say "he doesn't need to do all that talking" are also the ones saying "if he wasn't such a mouth he wouldn't have even got near the FW title yet, never mind all this 2 weight classes stuff."

I've got a roommate from limerick who hates McGregor, but fair enough because he also hares Muhammad Ali, Mayweather, Bisping, Sonnen and really all other "talkers" in sport. I'll agree to disagree with him. But the guys who hate McGregor who have/had no issues about other athletes do it don't really merit much attention.

The Talking Bread · 08-03-2016 01:49AM

mdwexford wrote: »

That's what infuriates me.

He clearly is sound when he's with fans or when he's not promoting a fight. He's doing charity work, meeting with sick kids and signs unlimited autographs and taking photos. None of this ever gets mentioned.

The promotion talk is bollox to get the fans interested to make more money, and to try and unsettle his opponents to increase his chances of winning. And he is doing it to perfection. He's gone from a nobody to running the show within two and half years.

Anyone who can't see that is beyond stupid.

I doubt he cares in fact it suits him to have naive people think this is his real persona. Even a very high percentage of his fans falsely believe he is naturally like this!

I find it funny more than annoying that people can be so naive!

Chris. · 08-03-2016 01:50AM

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

As Ken early said on the podcast. Of course he was humble . You have to be when you are bang to rights and have had your jaws boxed off. Conclusively beaten.

Another brilliant point made which doesn't just apply to this thread but to modern life in general is that people now have an all encompassing view of what trolling is. It seems if you disagree with anyone or produce any counter viewpoint you are a troll, a contrarian and the last bastion of a beaten debater ......a begrudger.

I have veen told in this thread that my betting was sometimes to be embarrassed about.
I've been told I live a sad life.
I've been told I'm a sad man.
I've been told I'm a begrudger.

Not once did I say anything about any poster in this thread.

But they attack. They sling mud. They defend blindly.
It's akin to Liverpool fans post Suarez-gate.

I hope he loses his next fight.

Then the emporer well and truly has no clothes.

Not every fighter has accepted defeat so graciously nor with as much class especially one with as much focus on him. I did not accuse you of trolling, I did not attack you specifically.

I don't mind debate of any kind but when it gets to the point where a person is taking joy from the fact that a man failed, that's what I have a problem with. I didn't take any joy from watching Aldo in the dressing room post fight and I would bet a lot of Mc Gregor fans are the same.

I am in no way defending blindly but if you cannot respect a man for taking a risk and failing, that shows your character.

nehe milner skudder · 08-03-2016 01:53AM

Chris. wrote: »

Not every fighter has accepted defeat so graciously nor with as much class especially one with as much focus on him. I did not accuse you of trolling, I did not attack you specifically.

I don't mind debate of any kind but when it gets to the point where a person is taking joy from the fact that a man failed, that's what I have a problem with. I didn't take any joy from watching Aldo in the dressing room post fight and I would bet a lot of Mc Gregor fans are the same.

I am in no way defending blindly but if you cannot respect a man for taking a risk and failing, that shows your character.

Also was absolutely ridiculed after that fight

Chris. · 08-03-2016 01:59AM

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

Also was absolutely ridiculed after that fight

By fair weather fans just like Mc Gregor is been now?

newbbieb · 08-03-2016 02:03AM

mdwexford wrote: »

That's what infuriates me.

He clearly is sound when he's with fans or when he's not promoting a fight. He's doing charity work, meeting with sick kids and signs unlimited autographs and taking photos. None of this ever gets mentioned.

The promotion talk is bollox to get the fans interested to make more money, and to try and unsettle his opponents to increase his chances of winning. And he is doing it to perfection. He's gone from a nobody to running the show within two and half years.

Anyone who can't see that is beyond stupid.

Agree and its the short sightedness of a lot of the fighters who are gloating on social media,that really highlights their stupidity.

They don't seem to realise that he made everyone money look at the cards he has put on,he put on 3 of the biggest UFC events ever and loads of fighters got exposure fighting under him,he has made fighters rich and brought great exposure and money to the sport but they don't seem to realise that.

Nate i thought lacked a bit of class considering Conor was the one that threw him the bone,he didn't need to,to hear Nate claim he could have done the same as Conor with the right push from the UFC is so far from reality.He never strung together enough wins and was never as impressive as Conor on the mic or finishing fights.

Personally i didn't fancy Conor in this fight i thought Nate would take him but i lost a bit of respect for both of them Diaz,because Conor was the one who give him this and Nate kinda took the Dan Henderson route after beating Bisping by just kinda gloating and eating up the praise without hardly giving any props to Conor who basically give him this.Conor could have easily not taken the short notice fight at 170 he could have avoided Nate his whole career if he so chose to,but i believe Conor respected him and was throwing him a bone.

The Talking Bread · 08-03-2016 02:04AM

Gamebred wrote: »

''3 people died making my watch'',a man saying stuff like that and being taken serious mother of god he is a complete wind up merchant its so hard to grasp for these morons celebrating his loss,they are so engulfed in hatred for his media persona they dont even realise it,

He will continue to do so,I suppose the same people are gonna celebrate when Aldo and RDA who make vile comments about him to stir up interest in a fight lose?

No of course they wont,mind boggling.

In fairness it would be pretty mundane and pointless to carry on with his Loudmouth wumming if he thought everyone loved it and that some people weren't going to be happy to see him lose.

The point of this wumming is to make both fans and dissenters as this is how the sport attracts coverage and hype and hence how he and others line their pockets.

Even when he made the comment post fight about the people celebrating his loss, although he was a little emotional at the time, it was a media moment designed to keep his fighting character in check. I doubt he was too upset nor surprised seeing rivals trash talking him as it's all part and parcel of the game and he is an expert.

He was very composed, dignified and showed what a gent he was in that post fight press conference and I, one of many who disliked him at first, hope he bounces back and doesn't lose his mojo and character. It is a tough learning curve though and his persona has been very much exposed now after such a defeat. It will be intriguing to see his pre fight media talk next time out (same with Rousey)

Utopia Parkway · 08-03-2016 02:10AM

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

Great discussion on second captains today about it.

Good point made. Shouldn't be gassing in round two of a 5 rounder . The energy efficiency spiel shouldn't be valid until round 4ish.

Also a good point was made about how he said he would make no excuses and then the first thing he said was " I took a chance going up in weight"

Conor was carrying a lot of extra muscle into this fight and that extra weight drains your gas tank. Especially when you don't pace yourself. And he didn't. The body has to adapt to carrying extra weight which is why fighters generally slowly go up in weight over the years rather than hop up and down from one weight to the other.

Also saying he took a chance in going up in weight doesn't really sound like an excuse. It's the reality. He took a calculated risk and it didn't pay off. Probably the smart thing to do would have been to pull out of the fight when Dos Anjos got hurt and wait for it to be rescheduled.

Gamebred · 08-03-2016 02:11AM

I personally have no bother with fighters like Aldo or RDA gloating about his loss,I expect it tbh they have history and are angling for potential fights,Im surprised Cowboy didnt let rip,Ill say one thing though Werdum has no right celebrating it he pulled out of a ppv with a sore toe to avoid a fight with miococ who got late notice,pathetic.

JJayoo · 08-03-2016 02:16AM

Gamebred wrote: »

I personally have no bother with fighters like Aldo or RDA gloating about his loss,

Then why do you keep bitching about them?

Gamebred · 08-03-2016 02:18AM

JJayoo wrote: »

Then why do you keep bitching about them?

What are you smoking where have I bitched about either of them? they are running their mouths same way conor did,no problem with either.

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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