UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

mdwexford · 07-03-2016 09:56PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

McGregor could fight Nate 10 times at any weight and with different tactics and he'll lose every single time. Nate is a machine who will always go the distance, hardy as fcuk. For all McGregors talk, he simple isn't, infact he's extremely soft if you rattle him. We seen it with Mendes too. If he doesn't take you out quickly, and he never will with Nate, he'll lose 9 out of 10 times as the other fighter will always start to come into it. And Diaz will always get into the fight at some point. He'll never beat Nate at any weight

Dont know how you can think that when he lost the first round.
With better cardio and with more selective shots its a totally different fight.

Nate is obviously still capable of beating him but Conor was far from his best on Saturday night.

Saying McGregor is soft is plain stupid.
He came back very strong against Mendes when he looked in trouble.

The Golden Miller · 07-03-2016 09:59PM

mdwexford wrote: »

Dont know how you can think that when he lost the first round.
With better cardio and with more selective shots its a totally different fight.

Nate is obviously still capable of beating him but Conor was far from his best on Saturday night.

Saying McGregor is soft is plain stupid.
He came back very strong against Mendes when he looked in trouble.

So what if he won the first round? Means nothing, especially against an attrition fighter. In reality McGregor in completely unproven, especially in a long drawn out brawl, and any time we've got a glimpse of anything close to that he's looked very suspect

JustTheOne · 07-03-2016 10:02PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

So what if he won the first round? Means nothing, especially against an attrition fighter. In reality, McGregor in completely unproven, especially in a long drawn out brawl, and any time we've got a glimpse of anything close to that he's looked very suspect

He went three rounds with Holloway with a shot knee. He controlled him lovely on the ground.

I think you're talking through your hoop to be honest.

darced · 07-03-2016 10:03PM

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Foxtrol · 07-03-2016 10:05PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

So what if he won the first round? Means nothing, especially against an attrition fighter. In reality McGregor in completely unproven, especially in a long drawn out brawl, and any time we've got a glimpse of anything close to that he's looked very suspect

He simply shouldn’t be getting into long drawn out brawls with guys at the higher weight classes, especially with fighters that can take punishment like Diaz. He fought stupidly and paid the price, hopefully he learns from this.

mdwexford · 07-03-2016 10:08PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

So what if he won the first round? Means nothing, especially against an attrition fighter. In reality McGregor in completely unproven, especially in a long drawn out brawl, and any time we've got a glimpse of anything close to that he's looked very suspect

If he was a no hoper the way you claim he wouldnt even win a round.

It means he had plenty for Nate on the feet as he does for anyone. Saying he never beats Nate is moronic. Saying anyone never beats anyone is moronic.

Hes looked in trouble twice and won one and lost one. If you think that was his best Saturday night then you are a bad judge.

The Golden Miller · 07-03-2016 10:12PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

He went three rounds with Holloway with a shot knee. He controlled him lovely on the ground.

I think you're talking through your hoop to be honest.

Oh well, if he went 3 rounds one time then he must be the embodiment of a grinder. The only one who talks out his hoop is McGregor. When talking about being in a fight, he tried to say something along the lines of being of a similar "spirit" to Nate which is laughable. He's a far far cry from that I'm afraid. I said he'd be beat down before the fight and he was torn apart in the end. Mauled and demolished with ease. P!ss easy night by Nate's standards

JustTheOne · 07-03-2016 10:16PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Oh well, if he went 3 rounds one time, he must be the embodiment of a grinder. The only one who talks out his hoop is McGregor. When talking about being in a fight, he tried to say something along the lines of being of a similar "spirit" to Nate which is laughable. He's a far far cry from that I'm afraid. I said he'd be beat down before the fight and he was tore apart in the end. Mauled and demolished.

So what he was beaten on the night, he just wasn't good enough as he said.

You said once he faces a test he crumbles and has never had to fight for long.

You were given an example of going 3 rounds in a war with a shot knee.

And another fight where he was nearly beaten but showed great determination to got up and finish the fight.

All you have to say is well he was beaten by Diaz so he's a terrible fighter.

The Golden Miller · 07-03-2016 10:24PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

So what he was beaten on the night, he just wasn't good enough as he said.

You said once he faces a test he crumbles and has never had to fight for long.

You were given an example of going 3 rounds in a war with a shot knee.

And another fight where he was nearly beaten but showed great determination to got up and finish the fight.

All you have to say is well he was beaten by Diaz so he's a terrible fighter.

I said he's extremely suspect when dragged down into a fight. Falling over the line after 2 or 3 rounds against midgets doesn't disprove anything. That Mendes fight could have went either way. It's a far cry from the machine he think's he is. He'll never be in a long drawn out brawl because he'll either take out a smaller fighter before that, or get his head stamped in after a round or two by someone who can stand toe to toe with him and handle his power. He was dead on his feet after two rounds despite being fresh. He'll ever only beat guys who are smaller than him. He's still unproven for the most part and at lightweight he'll struggle against guys who are his size. That's the reality. Nate was a serious price yesterday, and anyone with a bit of nouse would have lumped money on him. Such a predictable result

Gamebred · 07-03-2016 10:27PM

If your discrediting his wins because his opponents are smaller than him Diaz win means nothing,too big too tall and too long a reach we put that down as a no contest so going by that way of thinking.

bmcc10 · 07-03-2016 10:27PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I said he's extremely suspect when dragged down into a fight. Falling over the line after 2 or 3 rounds against midgets doesn't disprove anything. That Mendes fight could have went either way. It's a far cry from the machine he think's he is. He'll never be in a long drawn out brawl because he'll either take out a smaller fighter before that, or get his head stamped in after a round or two by someone who can stand toe to toe with him and handle his power. He was dead on his feet after two rounds despite being fresh. He'll ever only beat guys who are smaller than him. He's still unproven for the most part and at lightweight he'll stuggle

Aren't you pretty much contradicting yourself by saying he's unproven?

The Golden Miller · 07-03-2016 10:28PM

Gamebred wrote: »

If your discrediting his wins because his opponents are smaller than him Diaz win means nothing,too big too tall and too long a reach we put that down as a no contest so going by that way of thinking.

Your missing the point, Diaz has proved himself against guys bigger than himself and doesn't bitch out after two rounds after all his talking

mdwexford · 07-03-2016 10:31PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I said he's extremely suspect when dragged down into a fight. Falling over the line after 2 or 3 rounds against midgets doesn't disprove anything. That Mendes fight could have went either way. It's a far cry from the machine he think's he is. He'll never be in a long drawn out brawl because he'll either take out a smaller fighter before that, or get his head stamped in after a round or two by someone who can stand toe to toe with him and handle his power. He was dead on his feet after two rounds despite being fresh. He'll ever only beat guys who are smaller than him. He's still unproven for the most part and at lightweight he'll struggle against guys who are his size. That's the reality. Nate was a serious price yesterday, and anyone with a bit of nouse would have lumped money on him. Such a predictable result

Falling over the line?

He ended Mendes when he got to his feet.
He controlled Holloway with one leg.

The midgets thing is nonsense that every idiot seems to be spouting now.

You must have had thousands on him so, let me know the next time you spot a 2/9 no hoper.

You clearly arent capable of a proper debate and are just posting rubbish so away with you.

Tazzimus · 07-03-2016 10:39PM

darced wrote: »

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I dunno if its just the height difference that makes him look bigger but he looks a lot bigger than McGregor in that pic.

There was a definite weight difference, would love to know how much.

Foxtrol · 07-03-2016 10:45PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Your missing the point, Diaz has proved himself against guys bigger than himself and doesn't bitch out after two rounds after all his talking

What are you talking about?

Where has Diaz proved himself against bigger guys than himself? He’s one of the biggest LWs out there and who are his big wins against at WW?

darced · 07-03-2016 10:50PM

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Swashbuckler · 07-03-2016 10:54PM

darced wrote: »

Its fairly visibly obvious during the fight when Nate puts him to the cage that he is a good bit heavier. I'd say Nate was 180-185, in my experience fighters in general are serial liars about what they weigh so I put zero stock in what the Diaz camp was saying he weighed. 10 days out and Diaz only wanted to make the fight at 165 would be the telling point for me.

I'd love to know what Nate weighed. To be honest I'm shocked Conor was so light. Given that he was preparing for a LW bout against RDA I would have expected him to be at least 175 but he weighed in at 167 was it?

Gamebred · 07-03-2016 10:58PM

Hard enough to go from 145 to 155 with keeping your cardio ect in sync from decemeber to the start of march,never mind taking it at 170,it cant be ideal for the body,thats taking nothing from Nates win just an observation on Conors condition.

Letree · 07-03-2016 11:03PM

It was a mistake to take this fight at 170 but i'm sure Conor knows that now. He should have insisted Nate got down to 155. McGregor had no experience fighting at 170.

He has often said though that money means more than belts. So the lure of money swayed him.

meepins · 07-03-2016 11:04PM

or the challenge.

07-03-2016 11:05PM

eagle eye wrote: »

He isn't representing Ireland but he is an Irishman doing great in the UFC, a man who had very little money only a couple of years ago.

I dunno how Irish people wouldn't love to see him do well.

cos he's not DRICO! or RORY!! or katie!!:rolleyes.

amazes me, they were talking about em on TV3 this morning and how We irish like our sports stars HUMBLE!! like who?? ****ing stephen roche? michelle smith?? whatever, juciers!! even the horses are bleeding juicing!! ha ha.

mailburner · 07-03-2016 11:08PM

sporting life

With 10 of his last 19 wins coming via submission, five of which were in the second round, a small bet on Diaz to win by submission in the second at 40/1 with Sky Bet should appeal to those sensing an upset.

http://www.sportinglife.com/other-sports/news/article/678/10191339/conor-mcgregor-v-nate-diaz-ufc-196-betting-tips-odds-start-time-date-records

Gamb!t · 07-03-2016 11:09PM

Interesting that the UFC site have Diaz with 77 strikes to Conor's 61,thought it would have been a bit closer.

darced · 07-03-2016 11:09PM

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07-03-2016 11:11PM

Letree wrote: »

It was a mistake to take this fight at 170 but i'm sure Conor knows that now. He should have insisted Nate got down to 155. McGregor had no experience fighting at 170.

He has often said though that money means more than belts. So the lure of money swayed him.

It wasn't the weight that was the problem as much as the difference in length/reach between the two. Diaz used it really well and ate some shots most fighters would have been at least rocked by normally. McGregor looked like he was trying to make his prediction of KO in the second round come true way too hard and didn't manage his energy well at all. That in addition to fighting with his hands down by his sides was guaranteeing him a loss. The panic takedown might have prevented more long term damage but I would bet my house that he would have been knocked out if he stayed on his feet and he knew it.

Disappointed in the outcome and I'm hoping he learns from this. With a smarter gameplan I think he could have won this but he didn't give enough respect to Diaz in the ring and paid the price.

07-03-2016 11:12PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Hard enough to go from 145 to 155 with keeping your cardio ect in sync from decemeber to the start of march,never mind taking it at 170,it cant be ideal for the body,thats taking nothing from Nates win just an observation on Conors condition.

I was thinking that but even in the two rounds with mendes, he was spent, I know it was all take downs which are huge energy sappers but he was really as spent as mendes I felt. but how fit and good did he look against holloway for 3 rounds...weird..

somethings not right there... he was even trying the mental game saying he could go all day with nate in the opening of round 2, but he knew then I think, So CUD NATE!! EEEEK

he's just done a cool Budweiser ad which is a huge deal. obviously filmed before the fight, good for him, cannot recall such a big brand tying themselves to a UFC fighter in the past!! no wonder they hate em!

Gamebred · 07-03-2016 11:15PM

rusty cole wrote: »

I was thinking that but even in the two rounds with mendes, he was spent, I know it was all take downs which are huge energy sappers but he was really as spent as mendes I felt. but how fit and good did he look against holloway for 3 rounds...weird..

somethings not right there... he was even trying the mental game saying he could go all day with nate in the opening of round 2, but he knew then I think, So CUD NATE!! EEEEK

he's just done a cool Budweiser ad which is a huge deal. obviously filmed before the fight, good for him, cannot recall such a big brand tying themselves to a UFC fighter in the past!! no wonder they hate em!

The mendes fight he had a knee injury,one of his team who was in vegas told me he was like a skelton getting out the bath trying to cut the weight for it he took pics to show what he went through when hes finished with mma,no reason to not believe what I was told,

I'd love to know if he cut down on cardio training for this,as in not having to do as much because he didnt have to cut that extra 10lb so not so much running to get it off.

clever user name · 07-03-2016 11:17PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Hard enough to go from 145 to 155 with keeping your cardio ect in sync from decemeber to the start of march,never mind taking it at 170,it cant be ideal for the body,thats taking nothing from Nates win just an observation on Conors condition.

This! Going from 145 to 170 so quickly really affects cardio. I know he 'walks around' at about 170 but that is completely different to fighting at 170. You need a good few months to adjust, not a couple weeks. I did boxing as a young fellow (amateur) and had a similar situation. I was bolloxed by the end of the second round of a fight, couldn't lift my arms. You need to plan for these things well in advance. No excuses of course, Nate did fantastic. Conor and his team should have accounted for this. He really did make a balls of the first round, even thought he probably won it.

bmcc10 · 07-03-2016 11:18PM

rusty cole wrote: »

I was thinking that but even in the two rounds with mendes, he was spent, I know it was all take downs which are huge energy sappers but he was really as spent as mendes I felt. but how fit and good did he look against holloway for 3 rounds...weird..

somethings not right there... he was even trying the mental game saying he could go all day with nate in the opening of round 2, but he knew then I think, So CUD NATE!! EEEEK

he's just done a cool Budweiser ad which is a huge deal. obviously filmed before the fight, good for him, cannot recall such a big brand tying themselves to a UFC fighter in the past!! no wonder they hate em!

Isn't Cowboy sponsered by bud? Nice ad i thought.

ASOT · 07-03-2016 11:20PM

Diaz medically suspended until 4/20 which is ironic

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/3/7/11175342/ufc-196-medical-suspensions-nate-diaz-suspended-until-4-20

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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