UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

evil_seed · 07-03-2016 09:38AM

Great interview with Nate pst fight - https://twitter.com/UFCONFOX/status/706384233917341696

JustTheOne · 07-03-2016 09:55AM

Wonder how his chin will hold up in future after taking those heavy punches.

Ush1 · 07-03-2016 10:02AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Wonder how his chin will hold up in future after taking those heavy punches.

That's what really concerned me.

Seeing him wobbled by a guy that's known not to be a power puncher. I think he may need a long time off before his next fight.

raze_them_all_ · 07-03-2016 10:03AM

rusty cole wrote: »

i said it to my mate yesterday, that extra muscle went on too fast, it;s one thing to spar 170 pounders who are not trying to take your head off, it;s another to punch yourself out trying to finish one who is!

I like conor and am gutted for him, like most on this thread, we agree his persona can be too much but we all love to see anyone Irish do well in a sport we really love.

I;d say go back down to 145 and rebuild, even if caught on the ground, at 145 it;s not 190lbs sitting on you, he is right, the smaller lads do crumble at that weight and will do so again, 170 was way too much, take it on the chin and move on!

Get one 170 out of your head. That was a 155 no weight cut fight. If he fought RDS he would of weighed the same as sat

brevity · 07-03-2016 10:10AM

If anyone listened to McGregor's corner cam it was pretty interesting to hear Kavanagh's advice.
At the end of the first round he was screaming for Conor to "please back away" from grappling exchanges with great urgency.
During the break he was telling Conor that he is "loading too much on the left hand and falling into it too much" and that he "doesn't have to put everything in every shot". Also he suggested that Mcgregor should "pepper those legs".
During the second round both Kavanagh and Roddy were screaming to attack more to the body.
Overall seems to me like pretty solid corner job and Mcgregor was not able to make adjustments.

From Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/499lti/mcgregors_corner_advice/

Pudsy33 · 07-03-2016 10:14AM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Get one 170 out of your head. That was a 155 no weight cut fight. If he fought RDS he would of weighed the same as sat

Surely 155 with a weight cut would be significantly different to 170, even if you're fighting a 155er. I'd like to see that fight again at 155, and down the line I suspect we will.

ozzyo · 07-03-2016 10:16AM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Get one 170 out of your head. That was a 155 no weight cut fight. If he fought RDS he would of weighed the same as sat

totally agree, Diaz is a natural 155 pound fighter as well so the fight would have been no different at 155 if Nate had a full camp and had time to cut.

ozzyo · 07-03-2016 10:18AM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Get one 170 out of your head. That was a 155 no weight cut fight. If he fought RDS he would of weighed the same as sat

totally agree, Diaz is a natural 155 pound fighter as well so the fight would have been no different at 155 if Nate had a full camp and had time to cut. Conor is not a natural featherweight he does a brutal weight cut that he wont be able to for much longer.

dave1982 · 07-03-2016 10:31AM

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ERG89 · 07-03-2016 10:43AM

Tigger wrote: »

We just hit 100 separate posters that voted on the poll after the result that Nate wins by sub
I for one think that's kinda special

Are people still voting on Conor to win too??

walshb · 07-03-2016 10:46AM

Jose Aldo has a hard bloody neck. A man like that should be in hiding, not running his mouth off on social media.

cowboyBuilder · 07-03-2016 10:48AM

Think it was unfortunate, CMcG was clearly winning till he got him on the ground, the guys face was a bloody mess and CMcG hadn't a scratch on him ..

unlucky.

Irishcrx · 07-03-2016 10:51AM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Think it was unfortunate, CMcG was clearly winning till he got him on the ground, the guys face was a bloody mess and CMcG hadn't a scratch on him ..

unlucky.

I really like McGregor , and I hope he comes back stronger.

But Diaz wasn't lucky , he was patient , he waited for his opening rather than unloading everything he had and when he got it, he took it wobbled him and went for the kill.

He fought the better fight and deserved to win.

walshb · 07-03-2016 10:54AM

Did Conor seem to resign? Watching it he apeared to roll onto his back deliberately almost inviting Nate to choke him out? Either that or a bit of a silly move on Conor's part.

JustTheOne · 07-03-2016 10:56AM

walshb wrote: »

Did Conor seem to resign? Watching it he apeared to roll onto his back deliberately almost inviting Nate to choke him out? Either that or a bit of a silly move on Conor's part.

I think he knew the game was up. He was rattled from the punches. Either stay another few minutes getting mauled worst or accept the defeat and not come away battered.

StringerBell · 07-03-2016 10:57AM

walshb wrote: »

Jose Aldo has a hard bloody neck. A man like that should be in hiding, not running his mouth off on social media.

Putting himself in the public eye and creating some drama is his best shot at getting his rematch, Conor said as much in his interview regarding who he would be fighting at 145, Aldo, or Edgar, he said he would keep his ear to the ground and see what fight the fans wanted.

To generate fan interest Aldo and Edgar will both be making noises you can be sure, or they certainly should anyway.

Other then that, just like Conor, Jose is an extremely self assured and confident individual who 100% believes he deserves a rematch and like any top fighter, he believes he will win.

floorpie · 07-03-2016 10:58AM

walshb wrote: »

Did Conor seem to resign? Watching it he apeared to roll onto his back deliberately almost inviting Nate to choke him out? Either that or a bit of a silly move on Conor's part.

Roll onto his stomach you mean? He had to turn because he was full-mounted and was getting punched in his face. If you're asking why Nate was able to finish the choke, look at how Nate grapevines his legs as Conor is turning. Before Conor had even finished turning you could tell he was about to get stretched out. Once you're stretched out it's game over. You're either getting choked or the ref will stop it due to an inability to defend. He wasn't trying to turn to offer a choke, he was trying to turtle but Nate pre-empted it.

It wasn't a silly move, it was just a series of unfortunately necessary moves, all brought on because he was punched in the head for a minute previously and was having trouble staying conscious.

StringerBell · 07-03-2016 11:01AM

walshb wrote: »

Did Conor seem to resign? Watching it he apeared to roll onto his back deliberately almost inviting Nate to choke him out? Either that or a bit of a silly move on Conor's part.

From watching it multiple times it appears he gives up yeah, he gave up when he realised he could not longer stand and shot for a takedown tbh.

He was out, all that mattered was how it was going to happen.

What may sicken him most is that Nate, a guy he spent so long belittling intelligence wise, out thought him in the octagon not to mention out fought him.

markcahill1985 · 07-03-2016 11:04AM

StringerBell wrote: »

From watching it multiple times it appears he gives up yeah, he gave up when he realised he could not longer stand and shot for a takedown tbh.

He was out, all that mattered was how it was going to happen.

What may sicken him most is that Nate, a guy he spent so long belittling intelligence wise, out thought him in the octagon not to mention out fought him.

Nate was battering him full force in the face from the full mount, surely no option but to give up his back?

cowzerp · 07-03-2016 11:06AM

Tilikum wrote: »

He's only any use when he's fighting midgets. Even if he beats Frankie....it would mean nothing to me. How much of a reach/weight and height advantage will he have?

Until he moves up and actually fights people his own size, he'll never be the 'goat'.

He's a bigger man than the champion that's a division above him ffs. If that doesn't tell you there's something wrong well then I'm sorry, you're delusional

Frankie is an absolute monster and has thrown large lightweights around, Edgar is a nightmare fight for Conor imo.

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Surely 155 with a weight cut would be significantly different to 170, even if you're fighting a 155er. I'd like to see that fight again at 155, and down the line I suspect we will.

Nate is far physically weaker than Dos Anjos, weight wasn't an issue
It just wasn't Conor's day, at 155 Conor would be in the same shape but would have dehydrated, Nate would be in far better condition so it was him disadvantaged in reality.

Conor is most likely going to fight Mendes, Edgar or Aldo and all 3 present very tough fights, A win v any of them will get him back to where he was,a loss will be catastrophic imo.

Either way he has done Irish MMA proud and brought us somewhere we could only dream of a year or 2 ago.

StringerBell · 07-03-2016 11:09AM

markcahill1985 wrote: »

Nate was battering him full force in the face from the full mount, surely no option but to give up his back?

At that point yeah, he had put himself in a position where he was out of options by taking it to the ground where even if he wasn't out on his feet he was going to be at a disadvantage to Diaz.

He didn't have to offer the arm, he could have made an attempt to tuck his chin instead of keeping it up, there were a couple of things he could have done different when Nate was able to bypass his guard like it wasn't there, but at that point the fight was over. Just a matter of how it was going to end.

floorpie · 07-03-2016 11:15AM

cowzerp wrote: »

Frankie is an absolute monster and has thrown large lightweights around, Edgar is a nightmare fight for Conor imo.

Nate is far physically weaker than Dos Anjos, weight wasn't an issue
It just wasn't Conor's day, at 155 Conor would be in the same shape but would have dehydrated, Nate would be in far better condition so it was him disadvantaged in reality.

Conor is most likely going to fight Mendes, Edgar or Aldo and all 3 present very tough fights, A win v any of them will get him back to where he was,a loss will be catastrophic imo.

Either way he has done Irish MMA proud and brought us somewhere we could only dream of a year or 2 ago.

What do you think went wrong in the fight? And what do you think of the priority Ido seems to be given in the camp?

walshb · 07-03-2016 11:19AM

cowzerp wrote: »

Conor is most likely going to fight Mendes, Edgar or Aldo and all 3 present very tough fights, A win v any of them will get him back to where he was,a loss will be catastrophic imo.
.

He did dominate two of these lads. Not saying a rematch can't be different, but both lads are a weight below him really. Though, Conor having to get to 145 again may be very advantageous for them. Both Aldo and Mendez are past their sell by date fighters.

walshb · 07-03-2016 11:25AM

Guys, Conor's fight nigh weight on Saturday compared to fight night weigh's from his 145 fights? Similar? I assume on his 145 fights he was 160-165 in the Octagon?

cowzerp · 07-03-2016 11:27AM

floorpie wrote: »

What do you think went wrong in the fight? And what do you think of the priority Ido seems to be given in the camp?

I just think stylistacally it was a bad match up, hardy lad who could match his range and personally i think Nates high work rate is something Conor has never had to deal with apart from the Mendes fight which he was pretty tired in too, he usually coasts through fights almost spar like

walshb wrote: »

He did dominate two of these lads. Not saying a rematch can't be different, but both lads are a weight below him really. Though, Conor having to get to 145 again may be very advantageous for them. Both Aldo and Mendez are past their sell by date fighters.

Mendes dominated him actually then gassed and got KO'd, great win but questions remain about was Mendes fit or did the body shots cause him to gas, personally i feel a bit of both

Aldo 1 punch ko isn't domination, It happens and if the rematch went a full round could be a completely different fight, Aldo make no beans about it, is a savage.

walshb · 07-03-2016 11:29AM

cowzerp wrote: »

Mendes dominated him actually then gassed and got KO'd, great win but questions remain about was Mendes fit or did the body shots cause him to gas, personally i feel a bit of both

Aldo 1 punch ko isn't domination, It happens and if the rematch went a full round could be a completely different fight, Aldo make no beans about it, is a savage.

I didn't get the vibe that Mendez dominated him. I felt that Conor was biding his time, and that he wasn't being troubled too much by Mendez.

Yes, Aldo may change it in a remacth. I understand that fight.

Martypants1 · 07-03-2016 11:31AM

Conor's like a turtle on its back on the ground. Put away in 10 seconds. I really am revelling in his defeat after all his ****e talk about all the weight divisions. He'll have to go back to beating guys smaller than him.

Conor keeps mentioning when the history books are written but there'll be nothing about UFC in it and even less about Conor McGregor.

07-03-2016 11:37AM

What was McGregor doing calling Dos Anjos a "pu**y" on his instagram?

Could have some grievance against Aldo (who McGregor'd McGregor with his tweet and he fell for it) but Dos Anjos?

Guy had a legitimate injury - his foot is boll1xed.

If Nate Diaz can put down McGregor he can count himself lucky his wasn't fighting Dos Anjos.

RWCNT · 07-03-2016 11:42AM

Martypants1 wrote: »

Conor keeps mentioning when the history books are written but there'll be nothing about UFC in it and even less about Conor McGregor.

He's talking about the history of MMA you wally.

sonofenoch · 07-03-2016 11:44AM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Think it was unfortunate, CMcG was clearly winning till he got him on the ground, the guys face was a bloody mess and CMcG hadn't a scratch on him ..

unlucky.

Nah that 1st punch Diaz landed middle 2nd round rocked McGregor in a way all the punches he landed didn't, could immediately see it in his eyes he was out on his feet ....if he hadn't gone to ground he was getting ko'd with over a min left

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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