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UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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  • #2042
    Tilikum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Tilikum


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Exactly ''beating them,why join them they have nothing to offer him,


    Conor will be fine you dont clear out a division by fluke,once frankie is ko'd he will go down as the fw goat with everybody not just me.

    He's only any use when he's fighting midgets. Even if he beats Frankie....it would mean nothing to me. How much of a reach/weight and height advantage will he have?

    Until he moves up and actually fights people his own size, he'll never be the 'goat'.

    He's a bigger man than the champion that's a division above him ffs. If that doesn't tell you there's something wrong well then I'm sorry, you're delusional


  • #2043
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Tilikum wrote: »
    He's only any use when he's fighting midgets. Even if he beats Frankie....it would mean nothing to me. How much of a reach/weight and height advantage will he have?

    Until he moves up and actually fights people his own size, he'll never be the 'goat'.

    He's a bigger man than the champion that's a division above him ffs. If that doesn't tell you there's something wrong well then I'm sorry, you're delusional


    You realise Holloway was taller than him?and on the weight issue for championship fights they have to weigh in 145,if he rehydrates better it makes his wins arent worth anything?


    Incredible views you have my friend beating frankie would mean nothing to you jesus christ this is comedy.


  • #2044
    ceecee14
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 215 ✭✭ceecee14


    Repeating now on BT sports for anyone that missed it. Just on last round of Holm Tate now


  • #2045
    RedemptionZ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Tilikum wrote: »
    He's only any use when he's fighting midgets. Even if he beats Frankie....it would mean nothing to me. How much of a reach/weight and height advantage will he have?

    Until he moves up and actually fights people his own size, he'll never be the 'goat'.

    He's a bigger man than the champion that's a division above him ffs. If that doesn't tell you there's something wrong well then I'm sorry, you're delusional

    I can tell you're trolling not an actual fan when you refer to fighters who dedicate their lives to this sport and could beat the life out of you as midgets but I'll bite anyway.

    He's max 3 inches taller than Edgar. An inch taller than Aldo.

    Diaz, who fights at LW is about 3/4 inches taller than McGregor too (no matter what the UFC stats say as they are notoriously unreliable Conor was 5'11" now he's 5'9"). So what do you say to Conor? Fight 'midgets' in FW or be the 'midget' in LW?

    He beat Holloway who is taller than him. Poirer is the same size if I'm not mistaken. Chad and Frankie are small FWs, but that's their call to fight there. Both could probably make BW.


  • #2046
    Tilikum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Tilikum


    Gamebred wrote: »
    You realise Holloway was taller than him?and on the weight issue for championship fights they have to weigh in 145,if he rehydrates better it makes his wins arent worth anything?


    Incredible views you have my friend beating frankie would mean nothing to you jesus christ this is comedy.

    You're comedy......Holloway is the best you have lol? He was only starting out in the UFC ffs. Including Conor he lost 3 of his first 6 fights.

    Conor will have another massive weight, height & reach advantage against Frankie. Surely to God you'd like to see him actually fight people his own size?


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  • #2047
    RedemptionZ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Gamebred wrote: »
    They offer Conor zilch,2 nobodies who will never get near a ufc title unless hell freezes over,


    Both are 2 of the biggest chokers in the game.

    Yeah Artem and Gunnar are far more dominant than Faber and Mendes...

    Do you actually think about what you're saying?


  • #2048
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    threeball wrote: »
    Don't buy the bulking thing tbh. He was intending to go up 10 lbs before do anjos injury. There's no way he added more than 4 to 5 lbs of muscle and end up making the cut as horrendous as it was at 45. Maybe he had a ****ty diet but it couldn't have been bulking
    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    I can tell you're trolling not an actual fan when you refer to fighters who dedicate their lives to this sport and could beat the life out of you as midgets but I'll bite anyway.

    He's max 3 inches taller than Edgar. An inch taller than Aldo.

    Diaz, who fights at LW is about 3/4 inches taller than McGregor too (no matter what the UFC stats say as they are notoriously unreliable Conor was 5'11" now he's 5'9"). So what do you say to Conor? Fight 'midgets' in FW or be the 'midget' in LW?

    He beat Holloway who is taller than him. Poirer is the same size if I'm not mistaken. Chad and Frankie are small FWs, but that's their call to fight there. Both could probably make BW.
    Frankie was lightweight champ up until 2013


  • #2049
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    An unstoppable troll meets an immovable troll.


  • #2050
    Tilikum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Tilikum


    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    I can tell you're trolling not an actual fan when you refer to fighters who dedicate their lives to this sport and could beat the life out of you as midgets but I'll bite anyway.

    He's max 3 inches taller than Edgar. An inch taller than Aldo.

    Diaz, who fights at LW is about 3/4 inches taller than McGregor too (no matter what the UFC stats say as they are notoriously unreliable Conor was 5'11" now he's 5'9"). So what do you say to Conor? Fight 'midgets' in FW or be the 'midget' in LW?

    He beat Holloway who is taller than him. Poirer is the same size if I'm not mistaken. Chad and Frankie are small FWs, but that's their call to fight there. Both could probably make BW.

    Go back and read the thread, it was gamebred that referred to them as midgets before me.


  • #2051
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    Yeah Artem and Gunnar are far more dominant than Faber and Mendes...

    Do you actually think about what you're saying?



    The only belt the pair will ever get their hands on is that indian reserve yoke faber had back in the 90s ha


    McGregor mean while is an undisputed king of a ufc division he ko'd a guy who had merked the pair of them,if anything they need to join sbg to learn striking.


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  • #2052
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    Gamebred wrote: »
    The only belt the pair will ever get their hands on is that indian reserve yoke faber had back in the 90s ha


    McGregor mean while is an undisputed king of a ufc division he ko'd a guy who had merked the pair of them,if anything they need to join sbg to learn striking.

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  • #2053
    Den_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Den_M


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Exactly ''beating them,why join them they have nothing to offer him,


    Conor will be fine you dont clear out a division by fluke,once frankie is ko'd he will go down as the fw goat with everybody not just me.

    You're delusional to still be here posting crap like this. It's a new day for you and your idol that you cling to like a blood sucking tick - deal with it


  • #2054
    RedemptionZ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Tigger wrote: »
    Frankie was lightweight champ up until 2013

    It's a lot bigger these days though. He is probably a natural FW but he could go down the McGregor route and cut to make 135 and rehydrate. He's not a big man.
    Gamebred wrote: »
    The only belt the pair will ever get their hands on is that indian reserve yoke faber had back in the 90s ha


    McGregor mean while is an undisputed king of a ufc division he ko'd a guy who had merked the pair of them,if anything they need to join sbg to learn striking.

    And he got submitted by a guy who was annihilated by Dos Anjos. You make it very hard to be a Conor McGregor fan!

    Tilikum wrote: »
    Go back and read the thread, it was gamebred that referred to them as midgets before me.

    True, Apologies.


  • #2055
    Tilikum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Tilikum


    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    It's a lot bigger these days though. He is probably a natural FW but he could go down the McGregor route and cut to make 135 and rehydrate. He's not a big man.



    And he got submitted by a guy who was annihilated by Dos Anjos. You make it very hard to be a Conor McGregor fan!




    True, Apologies.

    No problemo.


  • #2056
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    It's a lot bigger these days though. He is probably a natural FW but he could go down the McGregor route and cut to make 135 and rehydrate. He's not a big man.



    And he got submitted by a guy who was annihilated by Dos Anjos. You make it very hard to be a Conor McGregor fan!




    True, Apologies.


    Ah an MMA math analogy,the fact is Conor ko'd Mendes,the suggestion that He go train with the likes of Mendes is absolute comedy gold one of the stupidest things ive read all weekend,



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  • #2057
    RedemptionZ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Ah an MMA math analogy,the fact is Conor ko'd Mendes,the suggestion that He go train with the likes of Mendes is absolute comedy gold one of the stupidest things ive read all weekend,



    Imagine someone suggested he go train with Artem Lobov. Who do you think he should train with? Stay with SBG until he gets found out by a wrestler?


  • #2058
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    LaGlisse wrote: »
    Didn't realize Diaz was a vegan,makes the loss even worse

    Shows that plant based diet is effective.


  • #2059
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    It's a lot bigger these days though. He is probably a natural FW but he could go down the McGregor route and cut to make 135 and rehydrate. .

    But the same an be said of Diaz
    He's a natural ww who cuts down to light ( he's missed weight more than once ) Conor is a natural lw who cuts to fw and apart from having a laugh and giving it a punchers chance he should not have been fighting at 170

    He will cut to 145 (probably for the last time) and I hope he fights Edgar cos frankie deserves the go (red panties for everyone )
    Then he should grind out the lightweights and we'll see
    Should he train in an American gym ? Not for striking imho as we have plenty of good boxers here to play with him but for wrestling (his weakness) and bjj ( not tested yet but learning new tech can't hurt) yeah I think he probably will once he gets into the light weight division on
    Like his WEE foil or cad or whatever they call it, or hate it it's made him very wealthy very quickly so if he has to leave home and train abroad and do other things he said he wouldn't do then so be it
    He was 26 or 27 when he said that stuff and to me that's still a kid
    I think he will grow as a person and as a fighter and I think travel will help that
    I also think he should keep up the show cos the public lap that stuff up


  • #2060
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Jon Jones on his grown respect for Conor:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BCohRbdMDAp


  • #2061
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Shows that plant based diet is effective.

    Ido Portal looks after Conor's diet plan. Unfortunately he obviously decided that Conor's nutritional needs would be best looked after by constantly eating steak. It was obviously some sort of Hipster Caveman Diet that Ido Portal came up with...

    This Ido lad has go to go.


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  • #2062
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    WarZ wrote: »
    Ido Portal looks after Conor's diet plan.

    No, he doesn't.

    George Lockhart is Conor's nutritionist.


    Another problem is that nutritionist's, much like "movement coaches" are based in ****ing woo-science and make it up as they go along.


  • #2063
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    No, he doesn't.

    George Lockhart is Conor's nutritionist.


    Another problem is that nutritionist's, much like "movement coaches" are based in ****ing woo-science and make it up as they go along.

    I wouldn't bother responding to him, he is literally just making stuff up looking for a reaction. There is no way he thinks Ido Portal is Conor's nutritionist. He has been trolling all day.


  • #2064
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    WarZ wrote: »
    Ido Portal looks after Conor's diet plan. Unfortunately he obviously decided that Conor's nutritional needs would be best looked after by constantly eating steak. It was obviously some sort of Hipster Caveman Diet that Ido Portal came up with...

    This Ido lad has go to go.

    He is simply following his limited education on diet and nutrition.


  • #2065
    TimRiggins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭TimRiggins


    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    Imagine someone suggested he go train with Artem Lobov. Who do you think he should train with? Stay with SBG until he gets found out by a wrestler?

    On that point, I can see Kavanagh and McGregor changing their approach for fights slightly by focusing a little bit more on counteracting their opponents strengths.


  • #2066
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    TimRiggins wrote: »
    On that point, I can see Kavanagh and McGregor changing their approach for fights slightly by focusing a little bit more on counteracting their opponents strengths.


    Yeah that sounds grand but what happens when they pull out half the time,hundreds of hours pissed away on a certain body type.


  • #2067
    TimRiggins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭TimRiggins


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Yeah that sounds grand but what happens when they pull out half the time,hundreds of hours pissed away on a certain body type.

    Just because the opponent of pulls out doesn't mean the hard work goes to waste. If he works hard on TDD if he fights Edgar next, it'll give him needed TDD when he does fight wrestlers in the future. And so on. And so forth.

    Don't bother replying, you seem too knowledgeable for me to hold a candle to your argument. I'll be wasting away in After Hours if anyone needs me!


  • #2068
    meepins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭meepins


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    The posts about Conor being classy and being gracious in defeat are such ****e. What's he gonna do? Come out and say he should have won the fight?

    The important things he said were before the fight where he bad mouthed Nate, making him out to be a retard. Well sorry Conor but the "retard" made you quit. I don't think Conor was able to count to 10 after Nates arms were locked around McGregors neck.
    He's such a big meanie and I hate him! :mad:
    floorpie wrote: »
    So why did he gas? You don't think he's less fit than someone like Nate, surely.

    I know he was intending to go up in weight, but he did it way too fast. It's not like you put on weight and bam, you're the same level fitness you were before but heavier. Your cardiovascular system and skeleton and muscles need time to get used to the weight.

    He did it way too fast imo. I don't know whether that's a poor coaching choice or just Conor taking risks, but he didn't gas from a higher striking volume than usual, I know that much.
    I don't think it was any one thing but a number of problems together. Getting cracked on the jaw would have been a factor. He missed a lot more than I thought after a rewatch. Putting so much power into shots and whiffing would have him worn out. Headhunting a Diaz wouldn't have been the strategy I thought he was going to go in with, perhaps he got a bit discouraged when it didn't work and that had an effect on the stamina.


  • #2069
    edber2011
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    Too cocky,it allways end in tears.


  • #2070
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Aldo money still stinging you eh.

    That money has long been made back and increased in size.


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  • #2071
    [Deleted User]
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    i said it to my mate yesterday, that extra muscle went on too fast, it;s one thing to spar 170 pounders who are not trying to take your head off, it;s another to punch yourself out trying to finish one who is!

    I like conor and am gutted for him, like most on this thread, we agree his persona can be too much but we all love to see anyone Irish do well in a sport we really love.

    I;d say go back down to 145 and rebuild, even if caught on the ground, at 145 it;s not 190lbs sitting on you, he is right, the smaller lads do crumble at that weight and will do so again, 170 was way too much, take it on the chin and move on!


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