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UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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  • #1952
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,783 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Look at his fights since 2009, who there isn't a cracking fighter? A journeyman fighter because he doesn't hide from tough fights


  • #1953
    T-K-O
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    Tilikum wrote: »
    Because he's actually a journeyman fighter, losing 8 out 21 fights, 3 of his last 5 and is full of chit.

    Mma legends have worse records!

    Diaz both of them are more than journeymen


  • #1954
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Nate had lost 3 of his last 5 coming in to the McGregor fight

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #1955
    martyos121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,545 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Nate had lost 3 of his last 5 coming in to the McGregor fight

    Yeah, lost to the former UFC LW champ, the current one, and got finished by a perfectly timed kick. Nothing to be ashamed of at all.


  • #1956
    empacher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭empacher


    Tilikum wrote: »
    Ranked where? In 2009 alone he had three fights and lost two of them

    http://www.mmamania.com/2009/11/19/1165161/ufc-rankings-mma-rankings-featured


    they're not ufc rankings. 4 of those fighters were in other promotions.


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  • #1957
    mailburner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,034 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    hard to believe its been 9 years since nate won tuf and 11 since diego won it
    may have misheard it but didnt joe say diego was the only active fighter from that series or did he mean in the ufc?
    koschek still on the go also, remember the hatred between those two and the fight after where nothing happened for three rounds


  • #1958
    Gamebred
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    Nate cant be put away with one shot its simple as that,even the head kick Josh landed clean as a whistle shin to head would've left most people in a coma it only stumbled him,


    Them shots Conor landed on Nate if they touch up Aldo or Frankie I think he decapitates them.


  • #1959
    Billy86
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    Seems to me there are a good few on here who don't follow MMA much and seem to think win/loss records should mirror professional boxers' (e.g. 18-0, 22-1,etc).


  • #1960
    Tilikum
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    empacher wrote: »
    they're not ufc rankings. 4 of those fighters were in other promotions.

    Show me where? Ive looked on two sites and he's not in it until 2012. Maybe between the two brothers, they've been in the top ten for the last 8 yrs.


  • #1961
    [Deleted User]
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    newbbieb wrote: »
    Yeah your right that was a bit strong,i'll retract that,just bugs me big time that he took such an unnecessary risk and Kavanagh surely played his part in this stupidity.He didn't need to take this fight against someone longer and bigger at 170 just really amateurish stuff.

    So hundreds or thousands of people pay for flights and hotels to Vegas and then lose their money because Conor doesn't want to take a risk? Conor as he says fights all the time and doesn't leave the fans down, it's good that when you pay to go to see him in Vegas he will be there if he possibly can. Conor took the risk and it didn't pay off but all respect to him for turning up and he kept his word to the fans.


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  • #1962
    Gamebred
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    You cant wikipedia mma fighters records and come on and discuss it and use it against them,losses are more common than boxing,Diaz as I said before the fight was the 2nd best fighter Conor has fought by a mile.


  • #1963
    Tilikum
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Seems to me there are a good few on here who don't follow MMA much and seem to think win/loss records should mirror professional boxers' (e.g. 18-0, 22-1,etc).

    There's a big difference between 18-0 and 21-8 in fairness.


  • #1964
    Paully D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    As I said last night, Anderson Silva has 3 UFC losses on his record, GSP has 2, Mighty Mouse has 1, even Jon Jones (however debatable) has 1, Aldo has 1, Liddell has 5. The list goes on and on and on.

    If you're going to become a great in the UFC you're not going to get out with your record unscathed. Elite level MMA just doesn't work like that. Unlike boxing, you don't get the chance to pick and choose your opponents and if you go on any sort of run you'll be up against a top guy before too long.

    It's the nature of the beast.


  • #1965
    raze_them_all_
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    Tilikum wrote: »
    There's a big difference between 18-0 and 21-8 in fairness.

    Diaz has had more fights in the UFC than Mcgreggor has had fights....


  • #1966
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Paully D wrote: »
    As I said last night, Anderson Silva has 3 UFC losses on his record, GSP has 2, Mighty Mouse has 1, even Jon Jones (however debatable) has 1, Aldo has 1, Liddell has 5. The list goes on and on and on.

    If you're going to become a great in the UFC you're not going to get out with your record unscathed. Elite level MMA just doesn't work like that. Unlike boxing, you don't get the chance to pick and choose your opponents and if you go on any sort of run you'll be up against a top guy before too long.

    It's the nature of the beast.

    That's why it's awesome.

    Everyone loses at some stage.

    Doesn't have 20 weight classes and 100 belts and the fighters running the fcuking themselves and can fight whoever they want.


  • #1967
    newbbieb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 435 ✭✭newbbieb


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So hundreds or thousands of people pay for flights and hotels to Vegas and then lose their money because Conor doesn't want to take a risk? Conor as he says fights all the time and doesn't leave the fans down, it's good that when you pay to go to see him in Vegas he will be there if he possibly can. Conor took the risk and it didn't pay off but all respect to him for turning up and he kept his word to the fans.

    Wasn't having a go at Conor for fighting much props for him turning up for this fight,it was more the choice of opponent and then having the fight at 170.

    Nate is a big LW making the fight at 170 was one of the stupidest ideas i can ever recall,given the fact Conor never fought anyone close this size,or reach.


  • #1968
    My name is URL
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    https://www.instagram.com/p/BCoCsjbLztN/
    Aldo you are a pussy. Dos anjos you are a pussy.

    #humbleindefeat


  • #1969
    empacher
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    Tilikum wrote: »
    Show me where? Ive looked on two sites and he's not in it until 2012. Maybe between the two brothers, they've been in the top ten for the last 8 yrs.



    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/86339-ufc-total-rankings-november-2008

    nate diaz ranked no 7, nov 2008.


  • #1970
    Pudsy33
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BCoCsjbLztN/



    #humbleindefeat

    He was humble to the man who defeated him. Why should he not respond to Aldo in that manner? Aldo wouldn't take the fight on short notice, and was destroyed by McGregor previously. Aldo doesn't deserve respect for celebrating someone else's victory.


  • #1971
    zuutroy
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    Just finished recording our podcast dominated by fight chat...opinions welcome!

    http://www.onlinegamblingbible.com/podcast-ep17-mma-mcgregor-irelands-prince-heartbreak-and-some-other-stuff/


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  • #1972
    Billy86
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    Tilikum wrote: »
    There's a big difference between 18-0 and 21-8 in fairness.
    But do you know who else retired at 21-8? Chuck Liddell. Randy Couture was 30-11. BJ Penn finished up 16-10. All three are among the best and most respected fighters in UFC history, in no small part because (like Nate and Conor) they kept testing themselves to see how far they could go. Those 18-0 type of records are considerably rarer in the UFC, is basically my point.


  • #1973
    My name is URL
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    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    He was humble to the man who defeated him. Why should he not respond to Aldo in that manner? Aldo wouldn't take the fight on short notice, and was destroyed by McGregor previously. Aldo doesn't deserve respect for celebrating someone else's victory.

    He can say what he wants but there's nothing 'humble' about responding to what others have said on Twitter less than 15 hours after losing a bout.

    Who said Aldo deserves respect? He didn't deserve acknowledgement for what he said full stop.


  • #1974
    [Deleted User]
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    McGregors analysis of the fight is honest and pretty accurate.


  • #1975
    irishguy1983
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    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    He was humble to the man who defeated him. Why should he not respond to Aldo in that manner? Aldo wouldn't take the fight on short notice, and was destroyed by McGregor previously. Aldo doesn't deserve respect for celebrating someone else's victory.

    Exactly - Aldo lasted 13 seconds - I thought it was ridiculous for him to come out with that comment.


  • #1976
    Gamebred
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    You cant blame Aldo commenting really,hes angling for a rematch he knows its a race between him and Frankie so some **** talking will help his cause,cant knock a man trying to cut a promo.


  • #1977
    Pudsy33
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    He can say what he wants but there's nothing 'humble' about responding to what others have said on Twitter less than 15 hours after losing a bout.

    Who said Aldo deserves respect? He didn't deserve acknowledgement for what he said full stop.

    He was humble in defeat though. His comments about Aldo have nothing to do with humility.


  • #1978
    Lukker-
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    Anyone think Conor could do with a boxing coach/striking coach?

    I know Roddy is now but I don't think he has much input on how McGregor fights, mainly just a training partner and padman.

    If he is serious about moving up (he should be, that cut to 145 is not something he should do after age 30), he should consider having a seasoned striker help him with a viable game plan. He'll have to learn to fight smarter and I do think he needs to train with tougher guys too. No one at SBG is going to be able to touch him when they are sparring, his striking is head and shoulders above anyone else at the gym. He could do with sparring people who are capable of taking his head off and maybe then he'll learn that absorbing strikes isn't a viable gameplan.

    I think he'll come back stronger and one remark in his post fight interview particularly stood out, that he was going celebrate adversity. Right now he needs a break, he's been essentially the front man of the UFC for over a year and we've seen how that turned out for Ronda. I'd be in favour of Aldo vs Edgar at UFC200 for the #1 contender spot, Conor fighting at UFC202 then.


  • #1979
    WarZ
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    Could someone please tell me what are Ido Portal's fighting credentials? Why is he doing padwork with Conor and why was he in his corner the other night?

    Ido Portal claiming that he was going to jump onstage and attack professional fighters after they mocked him was incredibly cringe worthy as well.

    Who is this guy? From what I can see he is some sort of Hipster strength and conditioning coach, 'a movements guru', his increasing influence over Conor's training is getting ridiculous.

    Nate Diaz summed it up; 'playing touch butt in the park with that dork'


  • #1980
    Gamebred
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    Dana's prayers were answered with Miesha pulled off a hail mary win,now his golden girl can come back and armbar the life out of her again $$$$


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  • #1981
    WarZ
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    Lukker- wrote: »
    Anyone think Conor could do with a boxing coach/striking coach?

    I know Roddy is now but I don't think he has much input on how McGregor fights, mainly just a training partner and padman.

    If he is serious about moving up (he should be, that cut to 145 is not something he should do after age 30), he should consider having a seasoned striker help him with a viable game plan. He'll have to learn to fight smarter and I do think he needs to train with tougher guys too. No one at SBG is going to be able to touch him when they are sparring, his striking is head and shoulders above anyone else at the gym. He could do with sparring people who are capable of taking his head off and maybe then he'll learn that absorbing strikes isn't a viable gameplan.

    I think he'll come back stronger and one remark in his post fight interview particularly stood out, that he was going celebrate adversity. Right now he needs a break, he's been essentially the front man of the UFC for over a year and we've seen how that turned out for Ronda. I'd be in favour of Aldo vs Edgar at UFC200 for the #1 contender spot, Conor fighting at UFC202 then.


    SBG and Kavanagh are incredibly overrated. Best gym in Ireland by a mile but it doesn't come close to some of the gyms in the US. Gunnar has taking a dive since training there, Cathal's stand up was atrocious and every other fighter looks completely out of their depth. Connor is getting by on pure talent.

    I'm sorry but any coach that would step aside to allow Conor to spend a huge amount of his training time doing yoga in the park with a hipster should really be asking himself questions.

    Has Ido Portal pushed John Kavanagh aside?


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