Nelson's Pillar

Nodin wrote: »

The ones killed by the Germans, French, Japanese and so on. For a fan of the Brits you don't know that much about them...or maybe its like I said earlier - the brown lads don't count.

I doubt they thought much of Ireland tbh.

Do you think the brown lads being shot at by Irish soldiers considered us a home country?

.....as your deep hatred for irish nationalism, republicanism and seemingly everything else that stands against systematic oppression. Bit strange that.

Oh I'm all for republicanism. The American and French kind. Not your kind which seems to involve blowing up children in busy shopping streets. People you lionize.

As stated before you seem to have no problem revising inconvenient historical truths to fit your world view.

Victor wrote: »

It was a viewing tower and a popular tourist attraction. Fair enough do away with the statue, no need to do away with the tower.

Of course, many statues have been done away with. No particular need to blow them up on a shopping street when there are people around.

Many votes (as early as the 20's) had taken place prior to its destruction which sought to have the statue replaced or the column moved but for whatever reason it never happened.

It was only after it was bombed that the government transferred ownership to DCC from private trustees

They could have decided to restore the plinth but didn't.

Anyway this thread is very clearly more about the person that sat atop it rather than the blank canvas of a simple column.

Nodin wrote: »

I doubt it, given the sectarian discrimination here.

I doubt it too, but not for sectarian reasons.

No, you don't seem one for that either. Some bizarre libertarian hellfest perhaps.

I thought you lads considered America the ultimate libertarian hatefest no?

Actually who am I kidding the whinging class represented by SF consider anything which isn't free a facet of libertarianism.

beach_walker wrote: »

Wait, you admit your beloved British Empire had a bad side?!

And it's curious logic you're going by. Does the presence of American loyalists in the American war of independence mean they were a home country? Or indeed that there were a fair few Indians involved in the suppressing of the Indian mutiny give them a similar status?

Home country, lol. What a term!

No the home countries only ever meant the British Isles.

It's a contemporary term, look it up.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I doubt they thought much of Ireland tbh.

Do you think the brown lads being shot at by Irish soldiers considered us a home country?


Oh I'm all for republicanism. The American and French kind. Not your kind which seems to involve blowing up children in busy shopping streets. People you lionize.

As stated before you seem to have no problem revising inconvenient historical truths to fit your world view.

Actually Native Americans were quick to empathise with our own colonial problems:


The Choctaw people have a history of helping others – one of the best examples is the $170 that was given to the Irish in 1847 during the potato famine. To realize the beauty and generosity of this story, one has to understand what a challenging couple of decades this had been for the Indian people.

In 1831 the Choctaw Indians were forcibly removed from their ancestral lands in Mississippi to what is now known as Oklahoma. The Choctaws were the first of several tribes to make the trek along The Trail of Tears. The years during and immediately following this journey were very difficult for the tribal people. The winter of this particular Trail of Tears was the coldest on record - the food and clothing of the people were severely inadequate and transportation needs were not properly met. Many of the Choctaws did not survive the trip, and those that did not perish faced hardships establishing new homes, schools, and churches.

A few years after this long, sad march, the Choctaws learned of people starving to death in Ireland. The Irish were dying because although there were other crops being grown in their country, all but the potato were marked for export by the British rulers. The Irish poor were not allowed any other sustenance than the potato, and from 1845-1849 this vegetable was diseased. Only sixteen years had passed since the Choctaws themselves had faced hunger and death on the first Trail of Tears, and a great empathy was felt when they heard such a similar story coming from across the ocean. Individuals made donations totaling $170 in 1847 to send to assist the Irish people. These noble Choctaw people, who had such meager resources, gave all they could on behalf of others in greater need.

Berserker wrote: »

Well, they still struggle to behave themselves in their own country. They have only begun to master that art over the last decade or so. The chances of them behaving themselves when they are "on tour" are slim to none. Easter is going to be a lovely time in Dublin city centre. Any respectable person will be steering well clear of the place. I feel sorry for our police. They are going to have a busy few days. Let's hope they get through it all, safe and well.

What a load of prejudiced bullshit. If you wrote that about any other group of people you'd get banned. That's little more than hate speech.

Berserker wrote: »

I was talking about their neighbours in NI who aspire to being Irish.

They are Irish there's no aspiration about it.

Nodin wrote: »

It should ideally have been moved somewhere.

Technically, it was.