UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

Gamebred · 06-03-2016 02:35PM

Anyone think Diaz will pass the drug test?

Tigger · 06-03-2016 02:35PM

The Sparrow wrote: »

Not at 170. I hate to agree with Nate Diaz but all Conor has proven so far is that he is extremely good at cutting weight and fighting guys that are much smaller than him.

This was our first opportunity to see him against a more evenly matched opponent and look what happened. And as you correctly say, Diaz isn't even really a top competitor.

Nate said he wants to fight Lawlor ie:ww next, the cut is part of the sport and allowing an opponent to cut and fight 15lbs up was pure exhibitionism
if he'd won he'd have been a legend as it stands it seems he'll now have to defend 145lbs but i can see 155 on the cards soon.

price690 · 06-03-2016 02:36PM

sonic85 wrote: »

Plenty of fighters have little or no issue with a reach disadvantage. Is conor is supposedly an elite fighter - two inches is nothing yet people are coming in here claiming it was some massive issue last night that he couldn't get over. He landed plenty of shots on Diaz - it wasnt reach that did in conor last night.

Tom lawlor is a journey man fighter and had a 5 inch reach disadvantage last night and got robbed. He didn't have huge issues with those 5 inches

not enjoying his usual reach advantage showed up holes in his gameplan last night. Namely, not having a plan b apart from winding up trying to take a guy out. His shots lacking precision and timing when hes not teeing off on a smaller guy.

Its not being used as an excuse, its maybe showing McGregor up for being more one dimensional than previously thought.

John_D80 · 06-03-2016 02:38PM

The Sparrow wrote: »

Not at 170. I hate to agree with Nate Diaz but all Conor has proven so far is that he is extremely good at cutting weight and fighting guys that are much smaller than him.

This was our first opportunity to see him against a more evenly matched opponent and look what happened. And as you correctly say, Diaz isn't even really a top competitor.

At any weight, with an intelligent gameplan and less over reliance on his power, McGregor wins this fight all day for me sorry. But he did not have an intelligent gameplan last night. In fact I dont think he had any at all. Well placed leg kicks and straights to the body would have taken Diaz apart slowly. And i say this as someone who is a fan of Nate Diaz since he first strutted into the Ultimate fighter.

McGregor has showed he can display fantastic shot selection when he wants to. He has the tools without a doubt, but he didn't use them last night, at all.

He found out he cant steam roll everyone and while he has phenomonal power he doesn't have the killer power he thought he did.

xtal191 · 06-03-2016 02:38PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Anyone think Diaz will pass the drug test?

I was just thinking that myself.

Looks like the UFC game cover curse continues too!

Andre 3000 · 06-03-2016 02:40PM

Anyone surprised at how pleased Rogan was immediately after the tap?

sonofenoch · 06-03-2016 02:40PM

glasso wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5wXXb1IaBY

Looking back at this shameful abuse by McGregor against Diaz just a couple of days ago I'm delighted for Diaz.
There's bravado and confidence but what McGregor displayed there was just pure crass.

I'd agree apart from the delighted for Diaz bit, something changed from that initial RDA press conference and the whole El Chapo thing etc it stopped being funny.......he was talking less about the fights and signs were there of an ego spiraling out of control .....that's been reeled back in somewhat

floorpie · 06-03-2016 02:40PM

price690 wrote: »

He threw countless uppercuts that missed, and whilst he was over reaching in his jab and power shots he did have some joy in round 1 in fairness. I think he was rattled a small bit for 2 reasons 1) the fact he couldn't find his range with the ease that he usually can. 2) The fact his power shots that did land resulted in Nate still pouring forward and showing excellent punch resistance.

My point is that none of this stuff is a mystery. Everyone knew Diaz is a durable bloke. Its also obvious that his physical dimensions would provide Conor with issues he may not have dealth with in some time.

Preparation preparation preparation. Why the hell is he spending more time working with Ido Portal? Where were the SBG guys in the build up to the fight? The RDA withdrawl threw the playbook out the window sure, but surely a coach is with his fighter 7-10 days out from an important fight?

Is McGregor calling his own shots in this case? Maybe a little bif of a presumption that Kavanagh's input isn't as critical as it should be?

Spending his time in vegas rolling around with Ido Portal instead of his SBG coaches just screams stupidity.

Agree 100%. I think Conor needs to regroup and realise that he hasn't gotten to where he is on his own, and doesn't know it all.

Fkin Ido man, ridiculous.

price690 · 06-03-2016 02:41PM

John_D80 wrote: »

At any weight, with an intelligent gameplan and less over reliance on his power, McGregor wins this fight all day for me sorry. But he did not have an intelligent gameplan last night. In fact I dont think he had any at all. Well placed leg kicks and straights to the body would have taken Diaz apart slowly. And i say this as someone who is a fan of Nate Diaz since he first strutted into the Ultimate fighter.

McGregor has showed he can display fantastic shot selection when he wants to. He has the tools without a doubt, but he didn't use them last night, at all.

He found out he cant steam roll everyone and while he has phenomonal power he doesn't have the killer power he thought he did.

Really hard to disagree with this in fairness. I always thought it was his timing and accuracy being the main assets rather than raw power though.

empacher · 06-03-2016 02:42PM

All long reigning champions JJ, ALDO, SILVA, GSP. Have a few things in common. ko power, submission skills. Most importantly can go 5 rounds. Connor couldnt go 5 rounds last night. Even if nate didnt rock him conor wouldnt last 5 rounds he was breathing heavy before he got rocked.

Time for him to learn to go 5 rounds, every great champion is more then willing to win by a 5 round decision, ven with the tools to finish it in any round.

He made a point in one of his post fight interviews, that FWs and LWs still wont take his power and that WWs will take a few more power shots. Wrong attitdude to have coming back. The best thing he can do next is fight Aldo/Edgar and not look to KO them. If it comes naturally thats great. But he should not look for it. He should look to win each round first.

I will be more impressed if he wins a 5 round fight then a KO, as it will show progression in his mindest.

Subcomandante Marcos · 06-03-2016 02:43PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Watched it again,first rd was closer than I thought tbh Conor couldnt find his range at all 2 or 3 nice left hands but didnt budge Nate,

The stupid Capoeira kicks complete waste of time your not going to highlight reel somebody with one them at this level sorry,

Conor was swinging wildly missing horribly,start of the 2nd round he didnt look to have much energy Diaz stiff jab caused serious trouble,fighting on instinct then when he got rocked,

I think the main problem here was the reach and height difference,he had no answer to it,it was a good stand up fight but it was like Diaz let him gas himself known all he had to do was avoid a big shot and finish strong.

This is actually a really good break down.
I think you have nailed it and then when he'd thrown everything at Nate and realised that he wasn't being effected the same way everyone else was by it, he got frustrated and stood in the pocket with trying to spam the left until he got rocked and started backing away followed by doing to Nate what everyone else does to him and panic wrestling him.

price690 · 06-03-2016 02:46PM

empacher wrote: »

All long reigning champions JJ, ALDO, SILVA, GSP. Have a few things in common. ko power, submission skills. Most importantly can go 5 rounds. Connor couldnt go 5 rounds last night. Even if nate didnt rock him conor wouldnt last 5 rounds he was breathing heavy before he got rocked.

Time for him to learn to go 5 rounds, every great champion is more then willing to win by a 5 round decision, ven with the tools to finish it in any round.

He made a point in one of his post fight interviews, that FWs and LWs still wont take his power and that WWs will take a few more power shots. Wrong attitdude to have coming back. The best thing he can do next is fight Aldo/Edgar and not look to KO them. If it comes naturally thats great. But he should not look for it. He should look to win each round first.

I will be more impressed if he wins a 5 round fight then a KO, as it will show progression in his mindest.

Struggles when he doesn't intimidate a guy or when incapable of blowing them away. Question marks over retaining full power and faculties over the full distance.

All these comparisons with Muhamed Ali, I think comparisons with Tyson are more apt

StringerBell · 06-03-2016 02:48PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

His ground work against mende's and Holloway.

You should check out those fights for the first time.

Holloway was a very good performance, but Holloway was still far from the finished article, Mendes he was dominated on the ground. Not sure what was impressive? Him getting out of the guillotine was fantastic, then his stand up ended the fight.

Check out those fights for the first time? How am I meant to do that now, time machine?

The fact that you put those examples forward as evidence for McGregor having a very good overall MMA game is telling.

06-03-2016 02:49PM

Gamebred wrote: »

He is not being serious you know this right?

so you can say anything just because it's an interview before the fight - that's the get out clause - I don't buy that. Diaz was clearly very offended here and McGregor just kept going for it.

I respect McGregor for effectively creating a brand and doing well financially but I can't accept that you can just say what you want and it's all "promotion". You can be entertaining and classy - a la Muhammed Ali - McGregor has little class.

And he also wants it all his way - e.g. getting all indignant about Aldo's "pus3y" tweet after he was whupped last night.

Paully D · 06-03-2016 02:49PM

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Anyone surprised at how pleased Rogan was immediately after the tap?

He was just excited IMO. He'd be doing a disservice to his job if he wasn't.

He was the same after Ronda lost despite them being friendly, he had her on his podcast a couple of months before that fight even, and has acted similar when commentating on one his best friends (Brendan Schaub) defeats.

Gamebred · 06-03-2016 02:51PM

glasso wrote: »

so you can say anything just because it's an interview before the fight - that's the get out clause - I don't buy that. Diaz was clearly very offended here and McGregor just kept going for it.

I respect McGregor for effectively creating a brand and doing well financially but I can't accept that you can just say what you want and it's all "promotion". You can be entertaining and classy - a la Muhammed Ali - McGregor has little class.

And he also wants it all his way - e.g. getting all indignant about Aldo's "pus3y" tweet after he was whupped last night.

Ah I dont agree,2 days before a fight an interview more thrash talk the better theres a reason he makes 10m a fight and other make 40k,it just a persona hes a gentleman away from the promotional game.

blade1 · 06-03-2016 02:52PM

Well done to all the people that got it right in the poll!
Never realised Boards had so many geniuses!:pac::pac:

Paully D · 06-03-2016 02:54PM

glasso wrote: »

I respect McGregor for effectively creating a brand and doing well financially but I can't accept that you can just say what you want and it's all "promotion". You can be entertaining and classy - a la Muhammed Ali - McGregor has little class.

The same Ali that would often call black opponents Uncle Tom's in an obvious attempt to turn the black community against them?

Tigger · 06-03-2016 02:56PM

Paully D wrote: »

The same Ali that would often call black opponents Uncle Tom's in an obvious attempt to turn the black community against them?

the one that stated that blue birds should be with blue birds ?

John_D80 · 06-03-2016 02:58PM

glasso wrote: »

so you can say anything just because it's an interview before the fight - that's the get out clause - I don't buy that. Diaz was clearly very offended here and McGregor just kept going for it.

I respect McGregor for effectively creating a brand and doing well financially but I can't accept that you can just say what you want and it's all "promotion". You can be entertaining and classy - a la Muhammed Ali - McGregor has little class.

And he also wants it all his way - e.g. getting all indignant about Aldo's "pus3y" tweet after he was whupped last night.

Muhammad Ali may seem like he was classy when we view carefully selected quotes of his but the reality of Ali is that he used anything he could to get in his opponents head, their appearance, their family, their background. He quite often used racist terms to describe other black fighters who had darker skin tones than he had.

History has been kinder to Ali than he was to his opponents to be fair. His quotes make for amusing meme's but he is not an an example to aspire to if you think McGregor goes overboard.

ISOP · 06-03-2016 02:58PM

Holy Holm didn't tap out like this fraud, she's a real champion, real heart

John_D80 · 06-03-2016 02:59PM

Paully D wrote: »

The same Ali that would often call black opponents Uncle Tom's in an obvious attempt to turn the black community against them?

Tigger wrote: »

the one that stated that blue birds should be with blue birds ?

Ye got there just before me!!

mada999 · 06-03-2016 02:59PM

darced wrote: »

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Yup thought McG was controlling the fight, however he got silly cocky and just dropped his hands and that cost him the fight. He can afford to take a couple of those free shots at the lower weight but he shouldnt have given free shots at this weight level... imo

empacher · 06-03-2016 03:00PM

on gamebeards anaylsis conors power in a lot of fight has come by leaning into his punches. some its more the movement using leverage and fluid motion. these are the punches he tagged mendes with and sivir with. The power was generated from movement and weight behind it. Joses Ko was as much from Joses forward momentum then it was from raw ko power.

You cant lean into these punches when someones taller then you, and your weight is less behind it.

No excuses though, if our boards brain power can deduce this albiet post fight. This should be knowledga pre-fight to coaches/fighters ,as they should envsion the scenarios and have the foresight to predict how there fighters stregths match up against another fighter fighters skill set and body dimensions.

Tigger · 06-03-2016 03:00PM

blade1 wrote: »

Well done to all the people that got it right in the poll!
Never realised Boards had so many geniuses!:pac::pac:

its the three that aftertimed a ko and 1 that aftertimed a decision are funnier that the nearly 80 that at least got their after the decision vote right

floorpie · 06-03-2016 03:00PM

ISOP wrote: »

Holy Holm didn't tap out like this fraud, she's a real champion, real heart

It's disrespectful to your opponent, dangerous, *and* bad for the sport to not tap. Holly not tapping was ridiculous, and is not something to respect.

empacher · 06-03-2016 03:02PM

floorpie wrote: »

It's disrespectful to your opponent, dangerous, *and* bad for the sport to not tap. Holly not tapping was ridiculous, and is not something to respect.

look at his posts he's a troll.

John_D80 · 06-03-2016 03:02PM

floorpie wrote: »

It's disrespectful to your opponent, dangerous, *and* bad for the sport to not tap. Holly not tapping was ridiculous, and is not something to respect.

Dont even dignify that with a response mate. Just do what I did. Flag it and report posts like that for what they obviously are.

JustTheOne · 06-03-2016 03:03PM

Is this the only time a fighter gap stepped up two weight divisions in the ufc?

John_D80 · 06-03-2016 03:04PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Is this the only time a fighter gap stepped up two weight divisions in the ufc?

Diego sanchez has fought at Middleweight, Featherweight and everything in between!!

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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