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UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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  • #1682
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    62 votes for Diaz by sub after the fight and counting
    What is the point
    It fascinates me how stupid it is


  • #1683
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    The Blue print is there to beat the Diaz brothers surprised he didnt spam it,Kick their lead leg into oblivion its happened so many times RDA chewed it up before and nullified his movement which is a big help in beating him,easy saying it now but thats how I'd plan it.


  • #1684
    price690
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    CurryFlavoured wrote: »
    I'd still say Diaz was the bigger man - 3 inches taller, 2 inches larger reach and judging by his inability to make 160 lbs he probably weighed about 10 lbs heavier. He looked it. That saying would work the same if he fought a Lawler or Rory, but much more drastically.

    Conor had issues landing with the reach disadvantage, but he still landed that left multiple times and it never even stumbled Diaz.

    Of course he was the bigger man, but both natural LW's nonetheless.

    Equally you could apply that criteria to McGregor fighting Chad Mendes for example. Significant height and reach advantage despite being in the same weight class.


  • #1685
    price690
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    The Blue print is there to beat the Diaz brothers surprised he didnt spam it,Kick their lead leg into oblivion its happened so many times RDA chewed it up before and nullified his movement which is a big help in beating him,easy saying it now but thats how I'd plan it.

    Do you think Kavanagh's tactics should come under scrutiny on that front?

    Are there any tactics beyond letting Conor do his thing? I'd be interested to hear a debate on this. Incredibly naive performance, even if you have won with ease previously you simply have to prepare meticulously.

    Surely a corner man should have been all over him for his insistence on trying to land uppercuts to fulfill his prediction. Win first, play to the media later


  • #1686
    empacher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭empacher


    i only watched the fight now, and it was only on a stream that wasnt perfect. But was conor breathing heavy like 2 mins into the secnd round. About a minute before he got rocked the first time. He seemes to be breathing very heaviy. look like his gas tank was about to run dry.

    again it was a stream that was pixilated so i could be wrong. but to be honest throwing thats worrying if he's gassed. Arguably that could be the reason he got rocked and couldnt recover. His movement seemed to really slow before he got rocked, and then he was just a waddling duck to eat diaz volume punches.


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  • #1687
    eagle eye
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    I'm a huge fan of McGregor and we seen things to admire about him last night and things to pick out that he needs to work on.

    He showed heart and determination last night, he showed a lot of boxing skills too.

    Whoever got him to take that fight was foolish and I think it might have been himself that decided to take it. The height and reach difference is huge when you want to stay on your feet and trade blows. Conor has to be smarter about that in future.

    We also seen that his defense needs work because he was wide open once he got pegged, he needs to know how to cover up. He also needs to be smarter and more tactical against bigger men, he got hit towards the end of the first round after dominating it. He needs to be able to back off and just make sure he wins the round. I realise that didn't matter in the end but it's something he needs to do because at some stage he is going the distance and a little bit of smarts will get you the win.

    I hope he goes back down to his own weight now and gets back on track. I'm sure his confidence took a big dent last night with that defeat.

    Delighted for Meisha Tate last night.


  • #1688
    T-K-O
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    This was coming for conor and imo a good time for him to taste defeat. He can go away, refocus the mind and come back even stronger.


  • #1689
    CurryFlavoured
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    price690 wrote: »
    Of course he was the bigger man, but both natural LW's nonetheless.

    Equally you could apply that criteria to McGregor fighting Chad Mendes for example. Significant height and reach advantage despite being in the same weight class.

    Then I'm not sure of your initial point you criticised me for. I know that 'bigger=better' was a bit simplistic but Nate's ability to absorb punishment was completely different to anything Conor had seen at FW, and I think it'd be the same with many lightweights.


  • #1690
    price690
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    CurryFlavoured wrote: »
    Then I'm not sure of your initial point you criticised me for. I know that 'bigger=better' was a bit simplistic but Nate's ability to absorb punishment was completely different to anything Conor had seen at FW, and I think it'd be the same with many lightweights.

    to me the statement "a good big un' always beats a good small un'" always resonates with me in terms of a good small un' leaving his weight class to fight the best at the weight above.

    Now had Conor lost to Robbie Lawlor id claim this to be exactly the case. I don't see Conor as a natural welter, nor is he a natural FW (brutal weight cut). Both guys are probably more natural Lightweights thats what I was getting at. And Nate wouldn't even be the best at that weight class. More a case of a supposed great small un' always supposed to beat a decent larger un'. but it didn't happen.

    Apologies I don't mean to be pedantic about it.


  • #1691
    eagle eye
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    Anybody know what the actual weight of the fighters were last night, do they weight them before the bout? I had a feeling this might happen when I seen them get into the octagon. Conor looked very lean like he didn't add weight since the weigh-in. Diaz look a little chunkier. I wouldn't be surprised if Diaz had a big weight advantage.


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  • #1692
    Gamebred
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    price690 wrote: »
    Do you think Kavanagh's tactics should come under scrutiny on that front?

    Are there any tactics beyond letting Conor do his thing? I'd be interested to hear a debate on this. Incredibly naive performance, even if you have won with ease previously you simply have to prepare meticulously.

    Surely a corner man should have been all over him for his insistence on trying to land uppercuts to fulfill his prediction. Win first, play to the media later



    Its hard to change a winning formula if it aint broke dont fix it as they say,



    Nate and Nick lean very heavy on the front leg they wont abondon their boxing stance for anybody they've said this before,RDA kicked it viciously I know hes more a muay thai fighter but Conor went with the oblique kick instead,I know Jones uses it but Im not a big fan unless you jump and oblique kick your not going to hyper extend the knee,



    Maybe the team got too confident thought he only had to show up and wing bombs at Diaz I dunno,he will have a lot to learn from last night maybe its for the better hes only 27 and its his first hiccup in years to be fair to him many of the champ rda included have been stopped before.


  • #1693
    mailburner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,034 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    I shed a few tears when miesha got that win, i was just so happy for her :)

    it was up there with randy beating big tim for me


  • #1694
    weldoninhio
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    EuskalHerria wrote: »
    Did you read it?

    Rarely is one treated to such an obnoxious and arrogant string of words in such a condescending tone.

    Unless your fighting McGregor.


  • #1695
    shrapnel222
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    he started off well but bases all his defence on movement. Against a solid boxer, he got hit a good few times and eventually got rocked, this had absolutely nothing to do with poor grappling (although his decision to take the fight to the ground might be questioned).

    delighted the hype train has come to a grinding halt and i look forward to seeing him in the ring again...at featherweight.


  • #1696
    Gamebred
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    shrapnel222 wrote: »
    he started off well but bases all his defence on movement. Against a solid boxer, he got hit a good few times and eventually got rocked, this had absolutely nothing to do with poor grappling (although his decision to take the fight to the ground might be questioned).

    delighted the hype train has come to a grinding halt and i look forward to seeing him in the ring again...at featherweight.


    Can you explain to me how the fw champion is considered hype? hes the highest paid ufc fighter ever to boot,the man is in the ufc 3 years and runs the game.


  • #1697
    JustTheOne
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    shrapnel222 wrote: »
    he started off well but bases all his defence on movement. Against a solid boxer, he got hit a good few times and eventually got rocked, this had absolutely nothing to do with poor grappling (although his decision to take the fight to the ground might be questioned).

    delighted the hype train has come to a grinding halt and i look forward to seeing him in the ring again...at featherweight.

    How can you be delighted the hype train gap ground to a halt yet look forward to seeing him fight again?


  • #1698
    weldoninhio
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    thisonetaken wrote: »
    Diaz is a journeyman with 3 loses in his last 5 fights. He's slow and doesn't have a knockout punch. He has had no time to prepare and is out of shape. He's also likely to have an injured hand after mcgregor punched it. He has zero chance of winning. McGregor winning will send out no message at all. McGregor has everything to lose and nothing to gain from this fight.

    Hahahahaha


  • #1699
    sonofenoch
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    CurryFlavoured wrote: »
    I'd still say Diaz was the bigger man - 3 inches taller, 2 inches larger reach and judging by his inability to make 160 lbs he probably weighed about 10 lbs heavier. He looked it. That saying would work the same if he fought a Lawler or Rory, but much more drastically.

    Conor had issues landing with the reach disadvantage, but he still landed that left multiple times and it never even stumbled Diaz.

    Diaz was struggling with those lefts that landed, Conor was heading for the win no doubt but showed he's gettable himself on his feet never mind the ground.....his defense is really quite average to poor all round in reality and in the end was heading for a knockout himself


  • #1700
    shrapnel222
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    Can you explain to me how the fw champion is considered hype? hes the highest paid ufc fighter ever to boot,the man is in the ufc 3 years and runs the game.
    JustTheOne wrote: »
    How can you be delighted the hype train gap ground to a halt yet look forward to seeing him fight again?

    hype is the sh*t fans have been spouting, saying he'd take the LW belt then probably go and beat Lawlor at WW. Hype is the rubbish being spouted that he could take on Mayweather, etc, etc. all utter rubbish.

    Now all that is gone, and all that is left is the FW champion. I look forward to him defending his title.
    The hype is gone, the McG fanboys can come down from cuckoo land, and we can all get back to enjoying a really good fighter defend his belt.

    oh, and warriors never tap :pac:


  • #1701
    Gamebred
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    sonofenoch wrote: »
    Diaz was struggling with those lefts that landed, Conor was heading for the win no doubt but showed he's gettable himself on his feet never mind the ground.....his defense is really quite average to poor all round in reality and in the end was heading for a knockout himself



    Watch the fight again,Diaz was not hurt seriously at any stage.


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  • #1702
    JustTheOne
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    Watch the fight again,Diaz was not hurt seriously at any stage.

    Ah he was in fairness.

    He was rattled especially when his eye was opened at the end of the first round.


  • #1703
    John_D80
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    Watch the fight again,Diaz was not hurt seriously at any stage.

    Diaz was in trouble at the end of the first, definitely.


  • #1704
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    John_D80 wrote: »
    Diaz was in trouble at the end of the first, definitely.

    Snap!


  • #1705
    John_D80
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    Conor was never going to finish him by chasing the big shot. If they ever met again, he should be looking to steal rounds instead of trying to take his head off and take the finish if it came to him.

    I would be absolutely certain McGregor would win a rematch if he just fought intelligently. Diaz didn't become an multi dimensional fighter overnight. He still has the same glaring holes in his game.


  • #1706
    Gamebred
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    John_D80 wrote: »
    Diaz was in trouble at the end of the first, definitely.


    On the ground while he was inverting?


    I dont think he was in any danger of being stopped or close to it tbh.


  • #1707
    Gamebred
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    Ronda is in glendale fight club right now training for the comeback to snap mieshas arm again and live happily ever after.


  • #1708
    John_D80
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    On the ground while he was inverting?


    I dont think he was in any danger of being stopped or close to it tbh.

    No before that even. And I dont think he was in danger of being stopped, but he was definitely in trouble.

    Conor was easily winning the standing exchanges, that cant be disputed in fairness. It was his own tenacity and over eagerness that was his undoing.


  • #1709
    Gamebred
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    John_D80 wrote: »
    No before that even. And I dont think he was in danger of being stopped, but he was definitely in trouble.

    Conor was easily winning the standing exchanges, that cant be disputed in fairness. It was his own tenacity and over eagerness that was his undoing.


    I dunno man I watched it back thinking Conor dominated that first rd,he didnt on reflection he was hunting Diaz for sure but Nate was moving out range.


  • #1710
    floorpie
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    I've tried to find a good discussion on this fight across the internet. I've tried Reddit, Sherdog, Misc etc, but there's nothing but fanboys on either side bickering. I thought I'd find some good discussion here seeing as some of you are involved in Irish MMA, but...well.

    Conor lost because he couldn't cope with Nate's range throughout each round. It seems that he had had no prep for fighting a rangey boxer and assumed he'd figure it out on the fly. Funny thing is, Nate did exactly what he always does, and it was still successful. It didn't come down to ground game, or down to one punch, or whatever: he was just consistently out of striking range and was getting countered over and over. His usual game of cutting off angles with roundhouses didn't apply because Nate just stood his ground and worked the range advantage.

    I've been despairing all morning at the analysis of his ground game though, and of his training partners. He didn't lose because of poor ground game - he has excellent BJJ - he lost because he was half unconscious due to Nate's cross before the takedown. JK and the SBG guys are high level, and took Conor to where he is, so the criticisms of them are ridiculous.

    Having said that, it was just epic cringe seeing Ido in his corner. Maybe some of you know the team and know whether Ido is well integrated, but ffs, when the fight had been changed to a completely different body type he shouldn't have had a flippin exercise scam artist taking up so much of his time. It's Conor's choice, but it looks to me like he lost simply due to technical preparation.


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  • #1711
    floorpie
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    I think you're all mis-watching if you think Conor won the first round standing. I'll watch it again myself, but the way I saw it was Conor couldn't get past Nate's jab, and was getting countered on every exchange. Conor's standup looked more effective due to the cuts and so on, but ultimately you could see that range was becoming an issue, and he had no answers for it.


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