UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

Thelomen Toblackai · 06-03-2016 12:32PM

Don't think conor has the power to fight at 170. He mentioned it himself bigger fighters take the punches better and that he was putting more than he should into them.

I don't see how he could come close to beating lawler in a stand up fight if he gassed trying and failing to knockout Diaz and he has no ground game. Lawler can absorb punishment like nobody I've ever seen, still inflict damage and fight for 5 rounds. He can't stay at 170.

It's back to earth a bit for him now too as this unbeatable image dissappears. I'd say he'll struggle against Dos Anjos too who would have eaten everything Diaz did without missing a beat.

martineatworld · 06-03-2016 12:38PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Diaz on a weeks notice without a cut sounds grand in theory,fights arent on paper though,Dana said its doing crazy ppv number so if he clears 20m for this loss was it really a loss at the end of the day? his comeback will be massive no doubt and he can redeem himself inside the cage,

Financially its another step to being secure for life.

Yes it really was a loss at the end of the day.

And even from the angle you're coming from, his stock has fallen now he's been beaten by a good but not great fighter. Yeah diaz has heart and all that but he was never a champion, he's come up short before and will again. And that will impact mcgregors future financial takings.

SteelyDanJalapeno · 06-03-2016 12:38PM

Nice to wake up to a winner, dont know much about UFC, but going by the poll neither does this forum.

https://gyazo.com/52dc86ccefbc22f126236701dacc02cc

moneymad · 06-03-2016 12:40PM

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Nice to wake up to a winner, dont know much about UFC, but going by the poll neither does this forum.

https://gyazo.com/52dc86ccefbc22f126236701dacc02cc

Been watching mma for 16 years. I thought Connor would win. Most people haven't a clue. Including myself.
Fully agree with you. Good fight though.

CurryFlavoured · 06-03-2016 12:45PM

I think if today showed anything at all, it's that size is really significant, even a 10 lb jump. An equally or more skilled 145er will struggle with the bigger 155er - better chin, more power, more size and strength. Can't take that for granted.

JohnMc1 · 06-03-2016 12:47PM

Good Lord. The people on RTE are acting like he died the way they're acting.

JustTheOne · 06-03-2016 12:48PM

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but to see Irish people get on social media and take delight in a fellow Irish sports person loose is disheartening.

Kick a man while he's down.

Andre 3000 · 06-03-2016 12:51PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but to see Irish people get on social media and take delight in a fellow Irish sports person loose is disheartening.

Kick a man while he's down.

Millions of Americans have been praying that Mayweather loses a fight. It comes with the territory. McGregor is doing something right if his own people hate him that bad.

Jelle1880 · 06-03-2016 12:52PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but to see Irish people get on social media and take delight in a fellow Irish sports person loose is disheartening.

Kick a man while he's down.

I really think it's a mentality of 'He's quite popular and successful, can't be having that.'

06-03-2016 12:52PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but to see Irish people get on social media and take delight in a fellow Irish sports person loose is disheartening.

Kick a man while he's down.

He isn't liked because he's cocky is what I can take from it? Maybe if he had a d4 accent and more reserved people would like him?

Irish people don't like cockiness even though he's walked the walk until last night

LaGlisse · 06-03-2016 12:54PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Financially its another step to being secure for life.

He's a long way from being financially secure for life if what he portrays of his spending on social media is anywhere near the reality,looks like he has been spending like a sailor on shore leave.
This loss will hit his earning potential without a doubt,if he loses his FW title defence he is back in the mix with everyone else

JustTheOne · 06-03-2016 12:55PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I really think it's a mentality of 'He's quite popular and successful, can't be having that.'

It pathetic.

99.9% of these people wouldn't have the balls to even get into a fight let alone step into an octagon.

I agree with fair constructive criticism about him loosing but just having a pop behind a phone for the sake of it is cheap.

mailburner · 06-03-2016 12:55PM

just watched and in shock here
the diaz brothers have concrete chins no doubt about it but I still found it
hard to make a case for nate

price690 · 06-03-2016 12:55PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but to see Irish people get on social media and take delight in a fellow Irish sports person loose is disheartening.

Kick a man while he's down.

Attitude comes into it aswell. Calling people begrudgers when they don't root for you due to being brash, doesn't wash.

He is a big name and has done great things in a short space of time within his sport. But his trash talk isn't palatable for some irish folk unfortunately. He can be a pantomine villain. then again hr wouldn't sell as many PPV's in the US with a humble approach.

People shouldn't be so disheartened when he gets stick. As ye say yourselves anyway hes getting well compensated for it. Its not an obligation to root for someone by virtue of their country of birth either in fairness.

Paully D · 06-03-2016 12:57PM

Interestingly all 3 judges scored the 2nd round in the Holm vs Tate fight 10-8 to Miesha so despite Holly being 3-1 up going into the 5th that could very easily have ended a draw.

mailburner · 06-03-2016 12:57PM

weed beats speed
weed beats power
weed beats precision
weed beats timing

you have to laugh sometimes :pac:

JustTheOne · 06-03-2016 12:57PM

price690 wrote: »

Attitude comes into it aswell. Calling people begrudgers when they don't root for you due to being brash, doesn't wash.

He is a big name and has done great things in a short space of time within his sport. But his trash talk isn't palatable for some irish folk unfortunately. He can be a pantomine villain. then again hr wouldn't sell as many PPV's in the US with a humble approach.

People shouldn't be so disheartened when he gets stick. As ye say yourselves anyway hes getting well compensated for it. Its not an obligation to root for someone by virtue of their country of birth either in fairness.

No but to gloat about it seems quite childish.

He was beaten, he took it gracefully.

evil_seed · 06-03-2016 12:59PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but to see Irish people get on social media and take delight in a fellow Irish sports person loose is disheartening.

Kick a man while he's down.

We don't have to like him because he's Irish ffs

ISOP · 06-03-2016 01:00PM

hilarious

RonanP77 · 06-03-2016 01:03PM

Well everyone else has had their say on what went wrong so I might as well have mine.

Conor got too caught up in the money end of things and especially his predictions. He said he'd win by uppercut so kept throwing that early on, to no effect. He was throwing big bombs, trying to get the early KO and make a point about his power. He needed to keep things simpler and I think he could've won.

He didn't panic the first time it went to ground and Diaz is a high level BJJ black belt so I wouldn't read too much into losing the way he did. He was effectively out of it as soon as that punch landed so couldn't do a lot when it went to ground at the end.

His power doesn't transfer as well as he thought to the heavier divisions and as for his punch resistance, it definitely doesnt. He needs to come down to 145 for at least 1 defence then up to 155 and earn his shot. When he does go to 155 he needs to fight a lot smarter than he did tonight.

Forget about being a big celebrity and business man, concentrate on being a fighter and he'll do well. One loss is not the end of the world.

price690 · 06-03-2016 01:05PM

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

I think if today showed anything at all, it's that size is really significant, even a 10 lb jump. An equally or more skilled 145er will struggle with the bigger 155er - better chin, more power, more size and strength. Can't take that for granted.

This does kind of show the basic analysis of the sport that exists in this country. Probably worldwide aswell, its mainly fans who blog about their favourite guys who then become the respected MMA writers. Very shallow pool of actual balanced opinion.

Anyone with 2 eyes in their head would have ascertained that Conor has enjoyed significant reach advantage over 99% of his opponents at feather. His height is not as significant, his size and ability to rehydrate to maybe 15lbs+ heavier on fight night is an advantage. But the issue of reach is not stated enough, he has a HUGE advantage. a 74" reach at feather makes him near unbeatable down there coupled with his size.

We will see how great the guy is when this asset is neutralised and he cannot simply tee off on guys who are over reaching which is a fatal error against a decent striker with good stand up. He will have to change it up against guys who possess this god given attribute like he does.

Diaz is nothing special, he is decent in every area, Conor claims to be great in almost every department. People say a good big un' will always beat a good small un' but that statement doesn't fit here as both guys are probably natural 155lbers. Had be been stopped by Robbie Lawlor or a Rory McDonald then maybe we could say that. But he was beaten by a guy who will probably never be a LW champ, and who took the fight on very short notice.

Accepting the fight was very naive, allowing it happen at 170lb was stupidity.

price690 · 06-03-2016 01:08PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

No but to gloat about it seems quite childish.

He was beaten, he took it gracefully.

Don't take it so seriously. Its all part of the pantomine. Same people will pay to see him again.

His army of defenders online are equally amusing, like they are defending his honour

Tigger · 06-03-2016 01:08PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Nate called it perfectly in one of the interviews in fairness to him he said ''you better hope you get that knockout or its going be a ****ed up night for him'',

Sage Ronda and Conor all finished who'd of thought it,they build them and eventually they fall,Dana in seethmode.

How's Conor finished? And after tonight I can see ronda getting the belt back

Gamebred · 06-03-2016 01:09PM

Tigger wrote: »

How's Conor finished? And after tonight I can see ronda getting the belt back

The 3 of them finished as in stopped.

Polo_Mint · 06-03-2016 01:10PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but to see Irish people get on social media and take delight in a fellow Irish sports person loose is disheartening.

Kick a man while he's down.

I dont think its about people taking delight in a fellow Irish sports person loss.

Everyone knows a guy growing up who ran there mouth in public 24/7

"Id bleendin kill anyone I would, Id smack the head off everyone"

People secretly wish Karma comes back to haunt these people.

While im disappointed with Conors loss, I think its good for the UFC

Gamebred · 06-03-2016 01:15PM

Nobody died nobody should be too upset tis only some sports entertainment at the end of the day,all the promotional jibes are just that,Aldos included wouldnt be bothered by it,

People forgetting Conor is only 27 thats his first loss in donkeys years now in terms of his career duffy was so long ago,he will learn improve and come back healthy to fight another day,

I'd personally love if he cut the **** talking out while hes actually fighting in the cage.

djPSB · 06-03-2016 01:16PM

Does he need to adjust his training techniques for the heavier fights?

The bum touch in the park might not be as effective at that weight where more power is required.

price690 · 06-03-2016 01:17PM

RonanP77 wrote: »

Well everyone else has had their say on what went wrong so I might as well have mine.

Conor got too caught up in the money end of things and especially his predictions. He said he'd win by uppercut so kept throwing that early on, to no effect. He was throwing big bombs, trying to get the early KO and make a point about his power. He needed to keep things simpler and I think he could've won.

He didn't panic the first time it went to ground and Diaz is a high level BJJ black belt so I wouldn't read too much into losing the way he did. He was effectively out of it as soon as that punch landed so couldn't do a lot when it went to ground at the end.

His power doesn't transfer as well as he thought to the heavier divisions and as for his punch resistance, it definitely doesnt. He needs to come down to 145 for at least 1 defence then up to 155 and earn his shot. When he does go to 155 he needs to fight a lot smarter than he did tonight.

Forget about being a big celebrity and business man, concentrate on being a fighter and he'll do well. One loss is not the end of the world.

This is spot on. You could see he was trying to write his own headline following his prediction of winning via KO after an uppercut.

He hit a brick wall unfortunately, he won't toy with fighters the higher the level he goes. His coach should have been all over him after round 1 to get back to basics, safety first and if a KO opportunity appears then take it. Get the job done and get the win. I don't know what the dynamic is like between himself and Kavanagh I know they have developed as a partnership together but has he become a yes man to fan Conor's ego at this stage? Is there any critical advice in the corner or is it a case of simply letting him do his thing and reinforcing his ego? Because as the standards rise this kind of corner/training approach won't cut it.

I could be way off there now, but seeing the likes of Ido Portal hanging about on fight night surely has to be a red flag. Cut the bullsh*t and get back to basics and lose the deadweight.

The greats might talk the talk and give an aura of invincibility but its always driven by hard work and leaving absolutely nothing to chance.meticulous in preparation.

Andre 3000 · 06-03-2016 01:21PM

Conor is more than skilled and fast enough to actually start out pointing lads...especially lads above him who are slower. He needs to stop being so trigger happy and so obsessed with his power.

CurryFlavoured · 06-03-2016 01:21PM

price690 wrote: »

This does kind of show the basic analysis of the sport that exists in this country. Probably worldwide aswell, its mainly fans who blog about their favourite guys who then become the respected MMA writers. Very shallow pool of actual balanced opinion.

Anyone with 2 eyes in their head would have ascertained that Conor has enjoyed significant reach advantage over 99% of his opponents at feather. His height is not as significant, his size and ability to rehydrate to maybe 15lbs+ heavier on fight night is an advantage. But the issue of reach is not stated enough, he has a HUGE advantage. a 74" reach at feather makes him near unbeatable down there coupled with his size.

We will see how great the guy is when this asset is neutralised and he cannot simply tee off on guys who are over reaching which is a fatal error against a decent striker with good stand up. He will have to change it up against guys who possess this god given attribute like he does.

Diaz is nothing special, he is decent in every area, Conor claims to be great in almost every department. People say a good big un' will always beat a good small un' but that statement doesn't fit here as both guys are probably natural 155lbers. Had be been stopped by Robbie Lawlor or a Rory McDonald then maybe we could say that. But he was beaten by a guy who will probably never be a LW champ, and who took the fight on very short notice.

Accepting the fight was very naive, allowing it happen at 170lb was stupidity.

I'd still say Diaz was the bigger man - 3 inches taller, 2 inches larger reach and judging by his inability to make 160 lbs he probably weighed about 10 lbs heavier. He looked it. That saying would work the same if he fought a Lawler or Rory, but much more drastically.

Conor had issues landing with the reach disadvantage, but he still landed that left multiple times and it never even stumbled Diaz.

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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