UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

Deadst4r · 06-03-2016 08:01AM

Proud of what Conor has achieved.

Well done to Nate, well deserved.

RedemptionZ · 06-03-2016 08:01AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

There are better grapplers in SBG than JK, but that really doesn't matter. Joi Jitsu and MMA are not the same thing, Gunni hasn't been able to bring his BJJ into the cage efectively yet and got embarrassed by Maia.

Jiu Jitsu for MMA is different than Jiu Jitsu for sport or Jiu Jitsu for no-gi/submission only grappling.

Maia is the best active mma grappler in the UFC imo, so while he did hammer Nelson I don't think it's a huge black mark on him.

That said we still don't really know where Conor's ground game is as he was essentially KO'd when he went for the takedown.

They could certainly do with a wrestler. Would never happen but if he could spend some time at Team Alpha Male it could really benefit him.

darced · 06-03-2016 08:01AM

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Wrongway1985 · 06-03-2016 08:02AM

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Very poor 3/9

So much so I did change main event pick :eek:, not that I think it will happen or anything but feck it need points if it happens

On Pick Em

Got the points but would swap them back for McGregor not becoming a panic wrestler

John_D80 · 06-03-2016 08:03AM

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Maia is the best active mma grappler in the UFC imo, so while he did hammer Nelson I don't think it's a huge black mark on him.

That said we still don't really know where Conor's ground game is as he was essentially KO'd when he went for the takedown.

They could certainly do with a wrestler. Would never happen but if he could spend some time at Team Alpha Male it could really benefit him.

Out of interest, why TAM specifically?

I would have thought there are far better teams and wrestling coaches out there.

sonic85 · 06-03-2016 08:03AM

To be fair though the man has had 8 fights in the ufc so surely he shouldve been trying to shore up the holes in his game long before now. Shouldn't have taken so long to realise he needed to improve in certain aspects.

Was a little bit surprised he didn't throw in some leg kicks on Diaz along with the left hands - would've taken the pep out of his step

That_Guy · 06-03-2016 08:04AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

Well it's fair to say that no-one can say that the UFC is fixed after tonight.

You're talking out of your bollocks.

crybaby · 06-03-2016 08:05AM

Do people think Conor would consider moving to one of the American gyms after this loss?

He has been fighting a lot over the past couple of years, would a change of location and a bit of time away from the octagon improve him?

jimmii · 06-03-2016 08:06AM

That_Guy wrote: »

You're talking out of your bollocks.

You think that looked fixed?? People will think its fixed no matter what I guess!

LaGlisse · 06-03-2016 08:11AM

He didn't show enough respect,trying too hard to end it early,especially by spinning kick,and paid the price.
The gloating from the mma haters in the Irish media,and there are plenty,is going to be hard to take.
If he bounces back he'll be OK but his options have shrunk massively,he's gonna be starving himself for a 145 defense at ufc200, no doubt.

RedemptionZ · 06-03-2016 08:11AM

darced wrote: »

My point of view is Nate was able to compete at WW and really only got out-wrestled in that division and he was getting lit up tonight. I dont feel overly strongly about it just that its not ridiculous.

Well it is a bit ridiculous as McGregor was fighting at probably 170 in the cage give or take, whereas Robbie would be at least 185-190 in the cage. Conor isn't the only one who can make weight cuts. If Robbie can survive getting tagged by Rory, another person much larger than Conor, he can survive Conor's. If Conor can't survive getting tagged by a 2 week notice Nate Diaz, he most certainly can't survive Lawler. MM is dominating FLW, why doesn't he just move up to BW? Why didn't Aldo ever move up to LW?

Then there's the issue of grappling with someone heavier than you.

stuar · 06-03-2016 08:11AM

I hope he retrieves his Irish accent now.

John_D80 · 06-03-2016 08:11AM

schools rugby wrote: »

The one question I have, about two years ago there was a so called Irish take over predicted, or even SBG take over predicted. While McGregor has been hugely successful, we havent seen any other SBG fighters kick on, is Coach Kavanagh the one who will be really damaged by this loss?

So you dont think that SBG as a gym and Ireland as a nation have been hugely successful in the UFC already?

Do you realise how many MMA gyms/clubs there are out there that have never had, and never will have fighters in the UFC?? Not to mention having a champion???

We are a tiny nation of 4 million people and we have one of only ten ufc world champions. In fact I would say per head of population we possibly have more UFC champions than any other nation on earth.

Thats pretty impressive in anyones book.

RedemptionZ · 06-03-2016 08:13AM

John_D80 wrote: »

Out of interest, why TAM specifically?

I would have thought there are far better teams and wrestling coaches out there.

Well I was mostly thinking the Faber bromance they had. Would make a good rocky style montage. Like when Apollo trained Rocky to beat Clubber Lang.

Deadst4r · 06-03-2016 08:13AM

Had to unfollow an MMA 'journalist' tonight, what a ****.

Won't even spread his bile on here.

newbbieb · 06-03-2016 08:15AM

Deadst4r wrote: »

Had to unfollow an MMA 'journalist' tonight, what a ****.

Won't even spread his bile on here.

Who is he so i can avoid him i can't be bothered opening them guys?

Subcomandante Marcos · 06-03-2016 08:15AM

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Well I was mostly thinking the Faber bromance they had. Would make a good rocky style montage. Like when Apollo trained Rocky to beat Clubber Lang.

Or the fact that TAM is stacked with lower weight wrestlers who have some of the highest takedown percentages in the UFC?

Deadst4r · 06-03-2016 08:18AM

newbbieb wrote: »

Who is he so i can avoid him i can't be bothered opening them guys?

Jonathan Snowden.

Let me know if I'm exaggerating...

loudnoises89 · 06-03-2016 08:19AM

schools rugby wrote: »

The one question I have, about two years ago there was a so called Irish take over predicted, or even SBG take over predicted. While McGregor has been hugely successful, we havent seen any other SBG fighters kick on, is Coach Kavanagh the one who will be really damaged by this loss?

I never rated Kavanagh, not one bit. I feel he got lucky finding a gem like Conor. A bit like how Edmond Tarverdyan got lucky with Ronda.

Kavanaghs behavior throughout Conors reign has been embarrassing. Acting like his **** don't stink cos of his golden boy. Modesty is clearly not something he can display. Look at the other top rated coaches particularly on Twitter and compare them to this pretentious twat and you'll see the difference in class. I'm looking forward to Kavanagh indulging in some large quantities of humble pie in the coming weeks. Sorry about the rant on JK. May be a nice guy but yeah as above.

Gutted for Conor. He'll bounce back no doubt.

RedemptionZ · 06-03-2016 08:19AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Or the fact that TAM is stacked with lower weight wrestlers who have some of the highest takedown percentages in the UFC?

Haha that goes without saying no?

Having Faber and Conor together would be the cherry on top. Somehow I doubt Chad would jump at the opportunity though.

That_Guy · 06-03-2016 08:19AM

jimmii wrote: »

You think that looked fixed?? People will think its fixed no matter what I guess!

Apologies, I thought it read that 'the UFC isn't fixed'.

CurryFlavoured · 06-03-2016 08:23AM

loudnoises89 wrote: »

I never rated Kavanagh, not one bit. I feel he got lucky finding a gem like Conor. A bit like how Edmond Tarverdyan got lucky with Ronda.

Kavanaghs behavior throughout Conors reign has been embarrassing. Acting like his **** don't stink cos of his golden boy. Modesty is clearly not something he can display. Look at the other top rated coaches particularly on Twitter and compare them to this pretentious twat and you'll see the difference in class. I'm looking forward to Kavanagh indulging in some large quantities of humble pie in the coming weeks. Sorry about the rant on JK. May be a nice guy but yeah as above.

Gutted for Conor. He'll bounce back no doubt.

Maybe a bit ott and harsh, but I do feel the same about Kavanagh. He always came across very arrogant in a way almost trying to mimick Conor like a side kick. Doesn't suit the coach.

Subcomandante Marcos · 06-03-2016 08:24AM

Nates post fight interview in FS1 is pretty golden so far. No swearing either.

martyos121 · 06-03-2016 08:24AM

Is this presser happening at all? Wait is even longer than usual.

jimmii · 06-03-2016 08:25AM

martyos121 wrote: »

Is this presser happening at all? Wait is even longer than usual.

I've given up waiting time to pop the kettle on and have some toast.

The Golden Miller · 06-03-2016 08:26AM

Just watched it again. That second round was an absolute demolition job by Diaz. Absolutely mauled McGregor. Men against boys stuff.

sonic85 · 06-03-2016 08:28AM

Is the press conference on fight pass lads?

Muahahaha · 06-03-2016 08:29AM

newbbieb wrote: »

This was a terrible fight to take end of story.I get its a kind of a double edge sword in that he made serious money tonight but he took a stupid risk,Cerrone or Pettis at 55 would a been a far more logical choice than a monster LW like Diaz at 170,stupid idea.

I think there was a bit of arrogance about taking the fight. Especially as Dana said in the build up that Nate said he couldn't make 160 but could make 165, then Conor spat back to Dana and told him to make it 170.

All that said I wouldn't blame Conor, he is a very confident sort of person and after dropping Aldo in 13 seconds no-one could blame him for thinking he was invincible. You can't get anywhere in this game unless you think that way. But it should have been up to his backroom staff to check his confidence to make sure it wasn't turning into blind arrogance. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to have happened here.

But all is not lost, as Conor said himself post fight he came up two weght classes and it didn't work out. He learnt a lesson and will grow from this. Whoever fights him next will be facing a McGregor with something to prove, it'll make UFC200 all the more interesting.

John_D80 · 06-03-2016 08:30AM

FOTN: McG/Diaz
POTN: Tate/Diaz

Dana says tonight has broken all records. Biggest fight ever!!

Happy Payday Conor!!

LaGlisse · 06-03-2016 08:31AM

sonic85 wrote: »

Is the press conference on fight pass lads?

Its started on ufc.TV,still not on youtube

UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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