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Nelson's Pillar

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  • #62
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    maryishere wrote: »
    Even Yeats wanted it preserved. He said"The life and work of the people who erected it is a part of our tradition. I think we should accept the whole past of this nation, and not pick and choose"

    Yeats said a lot of crazy $hit

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  • #63
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 318 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    'Twas not our architectural heritage that was being blown but the statue of an old imperialist, good riddance.


  • #64
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    As a viewing platform to see over the city , and tourist attraction, it could rival the Statue of Liberty, which is only 111 ft hight from feet to tip of head...and hundreds of millions of people have climbed it since it was built. Nelsons pillar was 134 ft high, with 168 steps to the viewing platform. Would have been lovely to see Dublin from up there. I think it should be rebuilt, out of respect to the past and to get tens of millions in tourist revenue each year, which could be given to Dublins homeless or other charities. After all, as Yeats said, " I think we should accept the whole past of this nation, and not pick and choose"


  • #65
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    'Twas not our architectural heritage that was being blown but the statue of an old imperialist,
    Up to one-third of the sailors in Nelson's fleet were from Ireland, including around 400 from Dublin itself, and they did not see him as an old imperialist.....any more than sailors from Sicily looked on people from mainland Italy as imperialists.


  • #66
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    maryishere wrote: »
    (when Ireland was united with Britain).

    Ireland was never united with Britain. It was occupied by Britain. Open a history book.


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  • #67
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Ireland was never united with Britain. It was occupied by Britain. Open a history book.
    ok, Sicily was occupied by Italy, the Canaries was occupied by Spain, Achill was occupied by Ireland, Hawaii was Occupied by the USA, the USA was occupied by Europe.


  • #68
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,735 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    maryishere wrote: »
    Up to one-third of the sailors in Nelson's fleet were from Ireland, including around 400 from Dublin itself, and they did not see him as an old imperialist.....any more than sailors from Sicily looked on people from mainland Italy as imperialists.
    Ah Jaysus! Could LordSutch or Iwasforzen lead this one back to what ever pen he escaped from? Jaysus!


  • #69
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    The composition of the Navy of these islands in that era is well documented, open a reputable history book on the period.


  • #70
    buried
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    maryishere wrote: »
    ok, Sicily was occupied by Italy, the Canaries was occupied by Spain, Achill was occupied by Ireland, Hawaii was Occupied by the USA, the USA was occupied by Europe.

    And Buckingham Palace is occupied by Germans

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  • #71
    Nodin
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    If Dubliners chose to remove it. They decide what a legacy of occupation is. Not you

    Amazing how its "just move" when its real people but when it comes to as piece of stone memoralising a member of the ruling imperial elite its "democracy" time.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    .S. Ireland was a home country. No more a colony than Brittany, Galacia or Cornwall.


    Is there not some unionist party conference on at the moment?

    diomed wrote:
    Dun Laoghaire pier was also built during the "occupation". Why not blow that
    up? I see it every day. It reminds me of the Victorians (and Queen Victoria).
    Why not cleanse the whole country of any reminder of our oppressors

    I said ideally it should have been moved.

    It would be a first time for me to see a pier that symbolises imperial triumphalism.
    diomed wrote:
    The IRA could also blow up the Martello towers as they were part of our
    defenses    .

    We weren't in charge of the country, so no, they were not our defences.
    diomed wrote:
    Why should terrorists from a foreign country (Northern Ireland) have a right
    to blow up our monuments?

    What makes you think they were from the north?
    steddyeddy wrote:

    think the colonists took enough out of the country so I don't see the harm in
    keeping the useful stuff. A statue of one of the colonists? No thanks can't see what possible use that would be.

    Placed in the right spot it give a spot for our avian wildlife to gather, mate and have bowel movements.


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  • #72
    Junkyard Tom
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    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    Ah Jaysus! Could LordSutch or Iwasforzen lead this one back to what ever pen he escaped from? Jaysus!

    assets.diylol.com


  • #73
    Nodin
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Up to one-third of the sailors in Nelson's fleet were from Ireland, including around 400 from Dublin itself, and they did not see him as an old imperialist.....any more than sailors from Sicily looked on people from mainland Italy as imperialists.

    ........there was just a rebellion 7 years earlier where the not-colonists revolted and 30,000 were slaughtered by the not-imperialists.


  • #74
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    The Pillar had been used for generations as a tourist attraction / viewing platform. You think what is there now is better - even though it cost the state a lot to finish demolishing the pillar / taking away the debris / making good the damage, and erecting the needle in the sky? Every day when I see it it reminds me of the needle addicts nearby. Few of the tourists like it, if you ever overhear them.


  • #75
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    diomed wrote: »
    Dun Laoghaire pier was also built during the "occupation". Why not blow that up?

    Because unlike a huge monument to a British Imperialist it is useful.

    Next stupid question.


  • #76
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    ........there was just a rebellion 7 years earlier where the not-colonists revolted and 30,000 were slaughtered by the not-imperialists.

    Was that the one led by err, colonist/planters?


  • #77
    MacauDragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭MacauDragon


    maryishere wrote: »
    The Pillar had been used for generations as a tourist attraction / viewing platform. You think what is there now is better - even though it cost the state a lot to finish demolishing the pillar / taking away the debris / making good the damage, and erecting the needle in the sky? Every day when I see it it reminds me of the needle addicts nearby. Few of the tourists like it, if you ever overhear them.

    100 times better than having some foreign royalist cvnt looking down on you from a great height.


  • #78
    Banjoxed
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    Nelson needed to go but the Pillar served a purpose. They could have just removed his statue without going route one on the whole lot.


  • #79
    Junkyard Tom
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    Banjoxed wrote: »
    Nelson needed to go but the Pillar served a purpose. They could have just removed his statue without going route one on the whole lot.

    Why didn't that happen?


  • #80
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Because unlike a huge monument to a British Imperialist it is useful.
    the pillar would have been useful as a tourist attraction / viewing platform to the tune of 20 million euro per year.


  • #81
    youreadthat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭youreadthat


    Should have replaced it with one of those Egyptian hieroglyphic needles like in London and Paris. I'm sure Egypt would have flogged one to Dublin, great bunch of lads.


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  • #82
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    maryishere wrote: »
    the pillar would have been useful as a tourist attraction / viewing platform to the tune of 20 million euro per year.

    Okay. Nelson had to go though. Fuck that.


  • #83
    kowloon
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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    I like the idea of statues of Ahrarne and Haughey to blow up on the anniversary, but I don't think there's enough time....

    Could cast some fairly quickly if we use the originals to make the moulds a la lost wax.


  • #84
    Yamanoto
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    'Twas not our architectural heritage that was being blown but the statue of an old imperialist, good riddance.

    Given it sat in the centre of Dublin's grandest thoroughfare for over 150 years, I'd be pretty sure it wasn't part of Ghent or Llandudno's architectural heritage.

    Whoever sat atop of it is really besides the point.


  • #85
    buried
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    youreadthat wrote: »
    Should have replaced it with one of those Egyptian hieroglyphic needles like in London and Paris. I'm sure Egypt would have flogged one to Dublin, great bunch of lads.

    That one in London ended up killing six sailors trying to float the thing by tug off the Bay of Biscay. The first boat that tried to load it in Alexandria sank in the harbour. Its twin is in New York's Central Park. The two of them stood beside each other back in Egypt during the time of Moses

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  • #86
    diomed
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Because unlike a huge monument to a British Imperialist it is useful.
    Next stupid question.
    Nelson's Pillar was useful. I paid my 6d (to the imperialists) and went to the top. There was a great view of Dublin below you.
    I think if you call people names on boards.ie it is a banning offence. I hope so.


  • #87
    wakka12
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Dun Laoghaire pier serves a purpose, as does the GPO and Customs House

    What purpose does a monument to a foreign colonist serve?

    Historical knowledge, visually interesting point of reference, tourist attraction..colonialisation was a long time ago. We are allies with Britain now. Could we not grow up a little and maybe see the interesting side to a statue like this?


  • #88
    buried
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    People can also get a great view of Dublin at the modern day corporate multinational imperialists pub up the Guinness storehouse. You can also get a pint. A bird$hit covered statue of Nelson won't be serving no pints

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  • #89
    Yamanoto
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Why didn't that happen?

    The pillar wasn't owned or maintained by the corpo (who wanted Wolfe Tone placed atop it) & the trustees with responsibility for the monument claimed their hands were tied - Nelson could not be replaced. 'Tis a real pity the corpo didn't get their way, as the street and the city at large incontrovertibly lost something in respect of heritage, architectural merit, aesthetic & the very real affection many generations of Dubliners had for the monument.


  • #90
    maryishere
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    buried wrote: »
    People can also get a great view of Dublin at the modern day corporate multinational imperialists pub up the Guinness storehouse. You can also get a pint. A bird$hit covered statue of Nelson won't be serving no pints

    But its not in O'Connell st. A historic viewing platform in O'Connell st would be visually much better than whats there now, and would contribute millions to the economy annually, which could go to the homeless or some other charity of your choice.
    Its a wonder you are not arguing for the blowing up of Guinness too because of its history.


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  • #91
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    diomed wrote: »
    Nelson's Pillar was useful.

    Would you have been against Nelson being replaced with Patrick Pearse or some other figure that symbolises Irish resistance to the British regime?
    I think if you call people names on boards.ie it is a banning offence. I hope so.

    Who called you names?


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