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Rush for Irish passports brought on by Brexit fears

  • 04-03-2016 10:45PM
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭


    Last weekend, shortly before he sat down to watch Ireland play England in the rugby Six Nations championship, Kevin Warnes posted the application form to renew his Irish passport. Though Warnes was born and has always lived in England and considers himself “completely English”, his mother is originally from Ireland, which allowed him to obtain dual citizenship as a young man in the 1980s when he was doing a lot of travelling in Europe.

    A teacher from Shipley in West Yorkshire, he had allowed his Irish passport to lapse. But the prospect of Britain potentially voting to leave the EU in June “propelled me into action”, he says.

    “I have two children and I want them to retain their EU citizenship. I want them to be able to travel, live and work freely in a Europe of open borders, to explore their near world with as much liberty as possible.” As soon as he gets his own passport back, Warnes will apply for Irish citizenship for his teenage daughters as well. “I certainly wouldn’t have done that if it wasn’t for Brexit.”

    Figures obtained by the Guardian suggest he is far from alone. According to Ireland’s Department of Foreign Affairs, the number of British-born people applying for Irish passports on the basis of their ancestry has risen sharply in the past year, just as the debate over the UK’s potential withdrawal from the EU has intensified before June’s referendum.
    Ireland offers automatic citizenship to anyone with an Irish parent, regardless of where they were born, while the grandchildren of citizens are also entitled to claim a passport once their births have been recorded in the country’s foreign births register. Great-grandchildren may also be eligible if their parents had registered by the time of their birth. It has been estimated that as many as six million Britons can claim an Irish-born grandparent.

    Northern Ireland is a special case, with anyone born north of the border having the same rights to claim Irish citizenship as elsewhere in the island. There, too, first-time adult applications for Irish passports rose by 14% from 10,672 to 12,159 between 2014 and 2015. Both Britain and Ireland allow citizens to hold dual citizenship.

    http:// www .theguardian. com /world/2016/mar/04/rush-for-irish-passports-brought-on-by-brexit-fears?CMP=twt_gu

    How do people feel about this? It leaves a bad taste that people are able to get Irish citizenship, purely because they want to hold onto an EU passport and not because they want to become part of Irish society. What's the point in giving someone citizenship, if not for that?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    I dislike the use of phrase 'Brexit'!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,924 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Are any of them any good at football?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Ruu wrote: »
    I dislike the use of phrase 'Brexit'!!

    I think it was Charlie Brooker who said that anyone who combines two words into one like that is a 'funt'.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    I think this will lead to more "BRITS OUT!" graffiti in Belfast


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


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    Ruu wrote: »
    I dislike the use of phrase 'Brexit'!!

    I second that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭Cool_CM


    Rattser wrote: »
    http:// www .theguardian. com /world/2016/mar/04/rush-for-irish-passports-brought-on-by-brexit-fears?CMP=twt_gu

    How do people feel about this? It leaves a bad taste that people are able to get Irish citizenship, purely because they want to hold onto an EU passport and not because they want to become part of Irish society. What's the point in giving someone citizenship, if not for that?

    Grand. I'm entitled to a UK passport if I want it and if the shoe was on the other foot and Ireland, for some reason, was possibly exiting the EU and the UK wasn't, I'd sign up for a UK passport in a heartbeat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭Sir Osis of Liver.


    Are we about to see an influx of English folk turn up on our shores in rubber dinghys?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    They shouldn't be! Should have had to have lived here for a number of years to be given citizenship after the second generation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Scare the sheep into submission


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    Cool_CM wrote: »
    Grand. I'm entitled to a UK passport if I want it and if the shoe was on the other foot and Ireland, for some reason, was possibly exiting the EU and the UK wasn't, I'd sign up for a UK passport in a heartbeat.

    Six million British people are entitled to Irish citizenship through descent. The population of the entire island! If they leave the EU, huge numbers will apply for citizenship, without ever intending to live here, purely to hold onto an EU passport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭MacauDragon


    Are we about to see an influx of English folk turn up on our shores in rubber dinghys?

    Expats please.

    Immigrants are brown and lower class.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Rattser wrote: »
    Six million British people are entitled to Irish citizenship through descent. The population of the entire island! If they leave the EU, huge numbers will apply for citizenship, without ever intending to live here, purely to hold onto an EU passport.
    Six million people, is it?

    Citizenship costs:
    Adult: €950
    Child: €200
    My mistake, see below.

    Passport fees
    Adult: €80 every ten years
    Child: €27 every five years

    Cha ching!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,888 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Ruu wrote: »
    I dislike the use of phrase 'Brexit'!!


    Britex would be better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Even if the UK leaves the EU there probably wont be much of a difference regarding travel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭Cool_CM


    Rattser wrote: »
    Six million British people are entitled to Irish citizenship through descent. The population of the entire island! If they leave the EU, huge numbers will apply for citizenship, without ever intending to live here, purely to hold onto an EU passport.

    Yup. Sure, by our own rules as to who can apply for one, it's totally legal to do so. In fact in America, Irish Central regularly put up articles on how to get one:

    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/how-to-get-an-irish-passport-130522453-237778381.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    retalivity wrote: »
    Are any of them any good at football?
    Any Player who ... [assumes] a new nationality and who has not played international football [in a match ... in an official competition of any category or any type of football for one Association] shall be eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfills one of the following conditions:
    (a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
    (b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
    (c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
    (d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association.

    - FIFA.com

    Our citizenship laws and FIFA's eligibility rules are two different things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    Peregrine wrote: »
    Six million people, is it?

    Citizenship costs:
    Adult: €950
    Child: €200

    Passport fees
    Adult: €80 every ten years
    Child: €27 every five years

    Cha ching!

    The charges you're quoting are for naturalisation. Not citizenship by descent.

    It costs €127.

    Do you think passports are free, those working in the embassy and processing the passports are working for nothing?

    Cha ching, indeed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Yeah, and I'm saying that it's ridiculous for them to be given citizenship without ever having lived here.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭corkonion


    recyclebin wrote: »
    Even if the UK leaves the EU there probably wont be much of a difference regarding travel.

    They won't be entitled to work in Europe without a visa, social welfare, hospital care etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,148 ✭✭✭Mech1


    I blame Witherspoons


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    corkonion wrote: »
    They won't be entitled to work in Europe without a visa, social welfare, hospital care etc

    If they use services abroad, we will get billed back under the Cross-Border Healthcare Directive (CBD) too. Or rather, the HSE will instead of the NHS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    I think this will lead to more "BRITS OUT!" graffiti in Belfast
    Boris Johnson To Hire ‘Brits Out’ Graffiti Artist Ahead Of EU Referendum


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Rattser wrote: »
    The charges you're quoting are for naturalisation. Not citizenship by descent.

    It costs €127.

    Do you think passports are free, those working in the embassy and processing the passports are working for nothing?

    Cha ching, indeed.

    If it's not through naturalisation then my mistake. I suppose they'd have to go on the foreign births register. But you'll have to quote the €127 figure because I can't find it. Retrospective foreign birth registrations for adults are more than twice that figure.

    I never said there aren't costs but the fees more than cover the costs. It was a tongue-in-cheek post more than anything else.

    Anyway, even if Britain does leave the EU, I don't believe that 6m British people will apply for Irish passports. I don't believe that Britain will close itself away. For example, Swiss citizens have close to zero restrictions while travelling around the European continent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    This'll be a boon for the 2nd Generation, after suffering for years at the hands of the Hibernia-than-thous, they'll have a rake of people to look down on and be dismissive of for being less Irish than they are :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭matchthis


    Peregrine wrote: »
    Six million people, is it?

    Citizenship costs:
    Adult: €950
    Child: €200

    Passport fees
    Adult: €80 every ten years
    Child: €27 every five years

    Cha ching!

    We're all gods children


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭Rattser


    Cool_CM wrote: »
    Yup. Sure, by our own rules as to who can apply for one, it's totally legal to do so. In fact in America, Irish Central regularly put up articles on how to get one:

    http://www .irishcentral. com/news/how-to-get-an-irish-passport-130522453-237778381.html

    It's time to change the rules so. That article and site is dirt btw.
    I have both Irish and English citizenship, and have always used the Irish passport in preference.

    There's no such things as English citizenship.
    A practical use of an Irish passport is that you will be entitled to work and travel freely in any of the 27 countries in the European Union.

    28 countries.
    Getting a passport is really the easy part – it’s getting Irish citizenship that takes a little time.

    You can't get a passport without having citizenship. Christ.

    The author is a professor in journalism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,116 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Scotchland won't be happy.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    corkonion wrote: »
    They won't be entitled to work in Europe without a visa, social welfare, hospital care etc
    There's about 2 million expats in Europe.


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