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whelan2 · 03-03-2016 10:44PM

freedominacup wrote: »

I think it might be time to reassess the weakling enterprise sherrif. Certainly the element that occupies part of the parlour. What did you get for them. We got something in the order of €375 for March and Apr ho weanlings last Nov. You'd definitely want another €200 to have any few pound for your efforts in keeping them over winter.

He was locked up with tb

freedominacup · 04-03-2016 10:42AM

whelan2 wrote: »

He was locked up with tb

You're right. Sorry Buford. Definitely a good day.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 04-03-2016 11:43AM

Timmaay wrote: »

How many rows were ya up to Buford haha??

3, not counting the weanlings:pac:

freedominacup wrote: »

I think it might be time to reassess the weakling enterprise sherrif. Certainly the element that occupies part of the parlour. What did you get for them. We got something in the order of €375 for March and Apr ho weanlings last Nov. You'd definitely want another €200 to have any few pound for your efforts in keeping them over winter.

They are normally gone at 8 weeks max but being locked up was an added bit of a challenge.

If they can walk this year, they are gone no matter what the price is:)

milkprofit · 04-03-2016 12:40PM

visatorro wrote: »

I don't think they are sucking long enough to get tired. Just keep the fluids into them I suppose

Try different tea
Heard of similar problem faulty tests
Lost 4 calves

Timmaay · 04-03-2016 12:41PM

Usually would aim to have made a calf pen in the cubicle sheds once the normal calf pens are filled up, however have had more February calvings this year than expected (despite pushing calving back a week on last yr), plus not a hope the cows going out full time anyday soon, so Buford I'm robbing ur idea and making calf pens in the old milking parlour here now ha.

And this fcuking weather, if I can't get up another slatted tank in the 2nd yard and afew more cubicles to take off the pressure on the home yard before next winter then I may forget about trying to drive on towards 110 cows next spring, life too short for the juggling I'm trying to do at the second.

kowtow · 04-03-2016 01:43PM

Now that we are in sight of getting a decent cubicle shed up and running I better start thinking about filling it up a bit more...

I'm minded to buy up to a dozen or so more for milking ... perhaps split between freshly calved / springing, maidens for serving (or perhaps served later on in the year?) and a couple or more decent heifer calves. We already have a couple of maidens, and a couple of heifer calves from this year so I might as well make a group of each of them - although selling this years heifer calves is tempting as well, then everything would be nearer the same size for housing.

In theory I'd be relaxed about buying peoples later calvers as I'm not too bothered about volume this year, but if I did they'd be dried off quite early (pre Christmas) - would that impact their lactation next year?

Seem to be a good few freshly calved heifers around on done deal etc... but what's the best place to look for decent quality rather than cast offs and - given that with luck this will be the last stock we ever buy in - should we try and buy lines from a couple of places rather than from the one herd?

All constructive suggestions welcome!

visatorro · 04-03-2016 02:10PM

kowtow wrote: »

Now that we are in sight of getting a decent cubicle shed up and running I better start thinking about filling it up a bit more...

I'm minded to buy up to a dozen or so more for milking ... perhaps split between freshly calved / springing, maidens for serving (or perhaps served later on in the year?) and a couple or more decent heifer calves. We already have a couple of maidens, and a couple of heifer calves from this year so I might as well make a group of each of them - although selling this years heifer calves is tempting as well, then everything would be nearer the same size for housing.

In theory I'd be relaxed about buying peoples later calvers as I'm not too bothered about volume this year, but if I did they'd be dried off quite early (pre Christmas) - would that impact their lactation next year?

Seem to be a good few freshly calved heifers around on done deal etc... but what's the best place to look for decent quality rather than cast offs and - given that with luck this will be the last stock we ever buy in - should we try and buy lines from a couple of places rather than from the one herd?

All constructive suggestions welcome!

I say you could do worse than pm a few lads on here, but I suppose they could be as bad as the lads on donedeal, some looking mad money other looking for a chat!!
Seriously though I'm sure they could point you in the right direction.

frazzledhome · 04-03-2016 04:54PM

This week reminds me of farming 20 years ago. All stock in, scraping yards and milkers still on silage.

Slurry is becoming a problem here now aswell. Blowing out loads from the roadways today. PIA

Milked out · 04-03-2016 05:25PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

This week reminds me of farming 20 years ago. All stock in, scraping yards and milkers still on silage.

Slurry is becoming a problem here now aswell. Blowing out loads from the roadways today. PIA

Numbers of Cows bulling inside increasing as well with cows not long calved only waiting for something to happen, had a cow with a cut teat this morning. Heifer bulling inside during nite went down and managed to get stuck under and gate, back fcuked I'd say. Have 2 weeks of slurry storage left. Herd test in 2 weeks as well

jack o shea · 04-03-2016 05:31PM

Could be worse than spring 2013 yet, at least it was dry and cold then, don't remember every tank in the place full to the brim.

farmerjj · 04-03-2016 06:06PM

jack o shea wrote: »

Could be worse than spring 2013 yet, at least it was dry and cold then, don't remember every tank in the place full to the brim.

We,v a bit to go yet to be that bad, it was may before we got them out at night that year. If it comes good next week its bad but not terrible but any later and its a mess of a spring

frazzledhome · 04-03-2016 06:09PM

On a plus note 47 bull calves sold here this week. 35 from the yard with balance, shyte nobody would take dumped in the mart. Phuckin bull calves.

Ratio running at 64:36 Bulls to heifers. As of last night however we've enough born for replacements.

Have way too many maidens and am considering selling 30% of them. It's totally against my religion not to calve and milk them.

I'm not going to the market for land to carry them at the crazy prices being sought. Another thing is the time on the road herding them.

Timmaay · 04-03-2016 06:18PM

Outbreak of rota virus scour with the calves. Just what I need.

Dawggone · 04-03-2016 07:09PM

Dairy farming magazine PLM (Production Laitiere Moderne) carrying a piece from a Kerry supplier.
Says he's 'delaying' bank repayments...

whelan2 · 04-03-2016 07:11PM

jack o shea wrote: »

Could be worse than spring 2013 yet, at least it was dry and cold then, don't remember every tank in the place full to the brim.

nope, its along way off 2013. Its only early march

frazzledhome · 04-03-2016 07:16PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Outbreak of rota virus scour with the calves. Just what I need.

Just been through it here. 2 things you may do neither easy.

1, stop it infecting new born calves
2. Treat sick calves

What worked for us was
Isolate
1.5 litres of milk with half sachet of Ruminade powder fed at 9am, 5pm and 11.30pm
2 litres of water with VitaLife powder fed at 6am, 1pm and 8pm
1cc of Marbycl 2% per 10kg for 3 days. Lost no calf and back in sheds after 2 days.

To stop it carrying on we vaccinated all cows 2 wks or more from calving
In the wait period we sourced beistings from a vaccinated herd and got into calf within 1 HR of birth. No calf that received vaccinated beistings has gotten sick and we are now 13 days since start of outbreak.

The only way to transfer antibodies is with beistings and only in that early first feed. Any further feeding won't transfer.

Keep hydrated and keep nourished and above all isolated. A few hard days ahead all the best

RightTurnClyde · 04-03-2016 07:40PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

This week reminds me of farming 20 years ago. All stock in, scraping yards and milkers still on silage.

Slurry is becoming a problem here now aswell. Blowing out loads from the roadways today. PIA

After attempting to spread slurry a couple of days ago and ploughing a paddock (due to be reseeded anyway), I bit the bullet andwent down to Abbey and picked up a right angled spout to spread from the roadways. Yet another ROI for farm roadways.

Cows out last night, in today and out again tonight. The ladies are playing a blinder though, they've got into the habit of coming back of the field as soon as they have it cleaned off. Considering how wet things are, it's resulting in less damage than I would have thought and clean out is good. Even the first calvers have stopped F-ing around and are usually back in the shed 3-4 hours after milking.
The night time grazings are perplexing one of my nosy neighbours, cows don't go to the paddock till 7pm , dark, and paddock empty again in the morning at day break. He was in today again for a nosy to see the "suffering cows", but cows were all in tipping at the silage, happy out, I keep telling him I havnt had cows out for the last week. Driving him mad.
The lad looking after the maidens is playing a blinder, they were dropped over to him 10 days ago during the good weather, and I called over to see them today after the snow. Turns out he's been bringing them in every day for the last week to his yard and feeding them bales silage, and strip grazing a sacrifice paddock at night. They were looking great. Great to have someone take the pressure off you, and not a word about it.

frazzledhome · 04-03-2016 07:46PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Dairy farming magazine PLM (Production Laitiere Moderne) carrying a piece from a Kerry supplier.
Says he's 'delaying' bank repayments...

How does that work?
A very risky strategy
I'd say he didn't think it would be reported back in Ireland

Could delaying be, restructuring and lost in translation perhaps?

Dawggone · 04-03-2016 08:18PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

How does that work?
A very risky strategy
I'd say he didn't think it would be reported back in Ireland

Could delaying be, restructuring and lost in translation perhaps?

I don't know Frazz. Maybe he's taking a repayment holiday?
They have reports from NL, B, DE, CH, NZ, US and IRL, the only ones that mentioned banks were the kiwi and the Irish.

Edit. Maybe the only honest lads were the Kiwi and Irish...:)

Timmaay · 04-03-2016 09:09PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Just been through it here. 2 things you may do neither easy.

1, stop it infecting new born calves
2. Treat sick calves

What worked for us was
Isolate
1.5 litres of milk with half sachet of Ruminade powder fed at 9am, 5pm and 11.30pm
2 litres of water with VitaLife powder fed at 6am, 1pm and 8pm
1cc of Marbycl 2% per 10kg for 3 days. Lost no calf and back in sheds after 2 days.

To stop it carrying on we vaccinated all cows 2 wks or more from calving
In the wait period we sourced beistings from a vaccinated herd and got into calf within 1 HR of birth. No calf that received vaccinated beistings has gotten sick and we are now 13 days since start of outbreak.

The only way to transfer antibodies is with beistings and only in that early first feed. Any further feeding won't transfer.

Keep hydrated and keep nourished and above all isolated. A few hard days ahead all the best

Thanks, some very useful advice. Just started isolating them, that's where the disused old milking parlour working perfect, picking up the vaccine tomorrow.

kevthegaff · 04-03-2016 09:12PM

Dawggone wrote: »

I don't know Frazz. Maybe he's taking a repayment holiday?
They have reports from NL, B, DE, CH, NZ, US and IRL, the only ones that mentioned banks were the kiwi and the Irish.

Edit. Maybe the only honest lads were the Kiwi and Irish...:)

could u translate briefly dawg

kowtow · 04-03-2016 09:16PM

The bit in the picture just says kerry price down to 25c since December and that Glanbia is even less at 24c for 33 / 36 which I assume is solids spec. ...

Perhaps Dawg will put a bigger clip of the article up.

whelan2 · 04-03-2016 09:32PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Thanks, some very useful advice. Just started isolating them, that's where the disused old milking parlour working perfect, picking up the vaccine tomorrow.

What are you treating them with?

whelan2 · 04-03-2016 09:39PM

Had to get vet here this evening, cow that had twins on tuesday, went downhill very fast. Thought she might have displaced something. Retained cleanings, she had nothing hanging from her, she was out grazing yesterday. On noroclav now, first held cleanings of 2016

Dawggone · 04-03-2016 09:44PM

kowtow wrote: »

The bit in the picture just says kerry price down to 25c since December and that Glanbia is even less at 24c for 33 / 36 which I assume is solids spec. ...

Perhaps Dawg will put a bigger clip of the article up.

.

pedigree 6 · 04-03-2016 09:50PM

whelan2 wrote: »

nope, its along way off 2013. Its only early march

I don't know whelan2. In spring 2013 the ground was dry and as far as I was concerned on the farm here it was a normal spring. I had the cows out grazing everyday or most days and out fulltime on the last week of march. I hadn't a clue what the rest of the country was going through as didn't affect me.
There was Nolan transport lorries coming off the boat in rosslare with fodder to the west of Ireland when I had all the stock out fulltime here and I wouldn't have had the grass if I hadn't of spread the fert early.
This year here the cows were only out for 15 half days or 3 hour grazings.

The difference this year is wet conditions and cool weather in spring.
The grass is there but the cold weather is turning this grass yellow especially where no fert spread.
Nationally some farmers are ploughing ground up trying to graze it as well as damage done by trying to spread slurry. This will no doubt affect the land for rest of the year.
Some farmers have extra stock this year and not budgeted or expected to have more grass in diet and stretched fodder stocks further and are starting to run short now. The only difference might be there might be more fodder for sale this year in the country. But with low milk prices and buying fodder and not being able to spread slurry and cost of expansion it could turn into the perfect storm for people.

I myself will have enough fodder and bedding till 2nd week of april and I usually have some left over every year but i'll be barely scraping by this year.

jaymla627 · 04-03-2016 09:55PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

could u translate briefly dawg

Quick Google search explains the whole lot fairly well, an absolute fortune was spent on a new parlour/sheds the past couple of years....

kevthegaff · 04-03-2016 09:59PM

Dawggone wrote: »

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How come the IFJ and findo never release articles like this?

whelan2 · 04-03-2016 10:00PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I don't know whelan2. In spring 2013 the ground was dry and as far as I was concerned on the farm here it was a normal spring. I had the cows out grazing everyday or most days and out fulltime on the last week of march. I hadn't a clue what the rest of the country was going through as didn't affect me.
There was Nolan transport lorries coming off the boat in rosslare with fodder to the west of Ireland when I had all the stock out fulltime here and I wouldn't have had the grass if I hadn't of spread the fert early.
This year here the cows were only out for 15 half days or 3 hour grazings.

The difference this year is wet conditions and cool weather in spring.
The grass is there but the cold weather is turning this grass yellow especially where no fert spread.
Nationally some farmers are ploughing ground up trying to graze it as well as damage done by trying to spread slurry. This will no doubt affect the land for rest of the year.
Some farmers have extra stock this year and not budgeted or expected to have more grass in diet and stretched fodder stocks further and are starting to run short now. The only difference might be there might be more fodder for sale this year in the country. But with low milk prices and buying fodder and not being able to spread slurry and cost of expansion it could turn into the perfect storm for people.

I myself will have enough fodder and bedding till 2nd week of april and I usually have some left over every year but i'll be barely scraping by this year.

2013 came after a brutal 2012. Some parts of the country didnt get it as bad. My biggest mistake was getting sheep in to graze ground we hadnt been able to graze from august 2012, no regrowth, no grass, no silage, no money...... at least we have grass here now and silage

pedigree 6 · 04-03-2016 10:02PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

How come the IFJ and findo never release articles like this?

They don't want to depress the whole country.
I'll do that to you instead.:p

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