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Modular Housing Cancelled.

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  • #2
    JustTheOne
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    kneemos wrote: »
    Nobody wants the bloody things apparently,cancelled due to lack of interest.
    So much for that idea,probably would have been a disaster anyway.If they could spend 20 million on prefabs maybe they could use it build proper houses http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9mSs21ZptZWOycAxFdB4iA5;_ylu=X3oDMTByaW11dnNvBGNvbG8DaXIyBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1456936666/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fateson.net%2fgo%2fr%2fwww.irishtimes.com%2fnews%2fsocial-affairs%2fdublin-council-cancels-20m-tender-for-modular-housing-1.2556153/RK=0/RS=irlkb9vt2uN.gQKUDul8PbHh3u8-

    Eh their nearly finished the ones in ballymun?

    And they look nicer and better finish than many apartments out there people paid 300k for.

    What other country would people turn down brand new free houses.


  • #3
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    More sterling work by the Sinn Fein-led Dublin City Council. Taking this housing crisis seriously I see. That's a 22-house slum in Ballymun they've created.

    Worth noting that it's not lack of interest from people wanting homes, it's lack of interested builders that has caused it to be cancelled.

    Despite all the wailing about Denis O'Brien and SiteServ, it seems that there's no money in building modular houses.


  • #4
    BattleCorp
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    kneemos wrote: »
    Nobody wants the bloody things apparently,cancelled due to lack of interest.
    So much for that idea,probably would have been a disaster anyway.If they could spend 20 million on prefabs maybe they could use it build proper houses

    People do want to live in modular houses. Modular houses would be infinitely better than hotels or B&B's.

    Builders apparently don't want to tender for the contract to build the houses. Mustn't be enough profit in it for them.


  • #5
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,070 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Houses in empty estates should be compulsory purchased similar to how farm land is CPO'd for essential road networks.
    Plenty of existing housing stock there just idle under Nama and other failed developers. CPO them all for a standard price each and hand them to local councils to administer as social housing.

    There is a housing crisis at the moment as the last government let it develop to epic proportions. These modular houses were awful expensive and I'm glad they aren't happening. Bad value for tax payers money when proper houses are available.


  • #6
    BattleCorp
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    _Brian wrote: »
    Houses in empty estates should be compulsory purchased similar to how farm land is CPO'd for essential road networks.
    Plenty of existing housing stock there just idle under Nama and other failed developers. CPO them all for a standard price each and hand them to local councils to administer as social housing.

    There is a housing crisis at the moment as the last government let it develop to epic proportions. These modular houses were awful expensive and I'm glad they aren't happening. Bad value for tax payers money when proper houses are available.

    There are plenty of half finished/empty estates around the country but I don't think there are many in Dublin where most of the crisis is.

    The real benefit of modular housing is that they can be built very fast, maybe a month or two whereas it takes a lot longer to finish a housing estate.


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
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    kneemos wrote: »
    Nobody wants the bloody things apparently,cancelled due to lack of interest.
    So much for that idea,probably would have been a disaster anyway.If they could spend 20 million on prefabs maybe they could use it build proper houses http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9mSs21ZptZWOycAxFdB4iA5;_ylu=X3oDMTByaW11dnNvBGNvbG8DaXIyBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1456936666/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fateson.net%2fgo%2fr%2fwww.irishtimes.com%2fnews%2fsocial-affairs%2fdublin-council-cancels-20m-tender-for-modular-housing-1.2556153/RK=0/RS=irlkb9vt2uN.gQKUDul8PbHh3u8-

    Try reading the article in full before commenting. It's NOT the people who don't want the bloody things, it's the lack of tenders for their building that there's no interest in! Builders couldn't/wouldn't have the buildings ready on time!


  • #8
    seamus
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    _Brian wrote: »
    Houses in empty estates should be compulsory purchased similar to how farm land is CPO'd for essential road networks.
    Plenty of existing housing stock there just idle under Nama and other failed developers. CPO them all for a standard price each and hand them to local councils to administer as social housing.

    There is a housing crisis at the moment as the last government let it develop to epic proportions. These modular houses were awful expensive and I'm glad they aren't happening. Bad value for tax payers money when proper houses are available.
    The problem isn't quite that simple. The housing crisis is really in Dublin, there aren't people out near these empty estates looking for homes.

    But the system we have for managing housing need is parochial, so someone in Dublin can't really apply for housing in other counties. And other local councils aren't going to buy up and fix up ghost estates if there's no demand for housing.

    The whole thing needs an overhaul. A national housing authority. You go on their list, you state your 5 preferences for counties in which you want to be housed, and CAO-style you either accept what's available or you get thrown off the list.
    This nonsense of someone being housed in a hotel because they want to live near their mother in Dolphin's Barn has to end.


  • #9
    galljga1
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    seamus wrote: »
    The problem isn't quite that simple. The housing crisis is really in Dublin, there aren't people out near these empty estates looking for homes.

    But the system we have for managing housing need is parochial, so someone in Dublin can't really apply for housing in other counties. And other local councils aren't going to buy up and fix up ghost estates if there's no demand for housing.

    The whole thing needs an overhaul. A national housing authority. You go on their list, you state your 5 preferences for counties in which you want to be housed, and CAO-style you either accept what's available or you get thrown off the list.
    This nonsense of someone being housed in a hotel because they want to live near their mother in Dolphin's Barn has to end.

    A national housing authority makes sense and you are correct, the "living near me ma" crap has to stop although I suspect most people in hotels would take a house anywhere within reason.


  • #10
    BattleCorp
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    This nonsense of someone being housed in a hotel because they want to live near their mother in Dolphin's Barn has to end.

    I told this story in another thread. A single guy I know well was homeless. He was offered a one bedroom apartment in the town where I live. He turned it down. He was then offered a two bedroom apartment in the same town. He turned that down too. He said he would only move into a house. And what happened, they gave him a three bedroom house. All for himself. Isn't that nice. :mad: :mad:

    This sh1t has to stop.


  • #11
    SEPT 23 1989
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    seamus wrote: »
    The problem isn't quite that simple. The housing crisis is really in Dublin, there aren't people out near these empty estates looking for homes.

    But the system we have for managing housing need is parochial, so someone in Dublin can't really apply for housing in other counties. And other local councils aren't going to buy up and fix up ghost estates if there's no demand for housing.

    The whole thing needs an overhaul. A national housing authority. You go on their list, you state your 5 preferences for counties in which you want to be housed, and CAO-style you either accept what's available or you get thrown off the list.
    This nonsense of someone being housed in a hotel because they want to live near their mother in Dolphin's Barn has to end.

    When we broke up families in the city centre and stuck them on the outskirts of the city it was a disaster being close to extended family is good for children and wider society


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  • #12
    BattleCorp
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    When we broke up families in the city centre up and stuck them on the outskirts of the city it was a disaster being close to extended family is good for children and wider society

    It's not always practical to do things like that though. People have to move, that's a fact of life. Everyone can't live beside their parents/brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles etc.


  • #13
    papu
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    When we broke up families in the city centre and stuck them on the outskirts of the city it was a disaster being close to extended family is good for children and wider society

    It's completely not necessary, some compromise is needed. Close is being in the same country.


  • #14
    seamus
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    galljga1 wrote: »
    A national housing authority makes sense and you are correct, the "living near me ma" crap has to stop although I suspect most people in hotels would take a house anywhere within reason.
    When we broke up families in the city centre and stuck them on the outskirts of the city it was a disaster being close to extended family is good for children and wider society
    I'm definitely not unsympathetic to it. Social supports are important, and if someone has two kids and no car, then forcing them to take a house in rural Cavan is going to make their situation worse, not better.

    But someone who has family in Dublin refusing a house in Balbriggan, would be plain ridiculous. But it's a symptom of the system we have that's focussed on a local authority areas rather than counties or distances. So people feel like they have more of a right to choose where they want to live rather than accept what they're offered.

    Each refusal should be taken on its merit and if someone refuses rural Cavan because it's too far away and there's no transport, that's fair enough. If someone refuses Balbriggan on the same basis, the housing officer should deny that refusal as invalid.


  • #15
    maudgonner
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    seamus wrote: »
    I'm definitely not unsympathetic to it. Social supports are important, and if someone has two kids and no car, then forcing them to take a house in rural Cavan is going to make their situation worse, not better.

    In an ideal world everyone would be able to live in the area they choose. But for many people who want to buy/rent their own home that's not an affordable option and they are forced to move far away from family, and face long commutes to work. Why should those in social housing not have to face those same realities?


  • #16
    _Brian
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    seamus wrote: »
    The problem isn't quite that simple. The housing crisis is really in Dublin, there aren't people out near these empty estates looking for homes.

    But the system we have for managing housing need is parochial, so someone in Dublin can't really apply for housing in other counties. And other local councils aren't going to buy up and fix up ghost estates if there's no demand for housing.

    The whole thing needs an overhaul. A national housing authority. You go on their list, you state your 5 preferences for counties in which you want to be housed, and CAO-style you either accept what's available or you get thrown off the list.
    This nonsense of someone being housed in a hotel because they want to live near their mother in Dolphin's Barn has to end.

    Well. If they're happier living in a hotel with their kids than talking a house in Meath, Monaghan or Cavan then there is a bigger problem with their sense of entitlement over their priorities for a home.

    TBH I'd Offer them one good home, if ya don't take it then cut their sub for the hotel and put them to the bottom of the lists.

    Plenty of us have had to move and do things that weren't our preference but we did it as it had to be done.


  • #17
    seamus
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    maudgonner wrote: »
    In an ideal world everyone would be able to live in the area they choose. But for many people who want to buy/rent their own home that's not an affordable option and they are forced to move far away from family, and face long commutes to work. Why should those in social housing not have to face those same realities?
    _Brian wrote: »
    Well. If they're happier living in a hotel with their kids than talking a house in Meath, Monaghan or Cavan then there is a bigger problem with their sense of entitlement over their priorities for a home.

    TBH I'd Offer them one good home, if ya don't take it then cut their sub for the hotel and put them to the bottom of the lists.

    Plenty of us have had to move and do things that weren't our preference but we did it as it had to be done.
    Well think about it this way - the aim of social housing is to give someone a leg-up to improve their situation.
    If someone has a basic income and is looking for work, then sticking them into a house where they have no access to public transport and is miles away from babysitters, is going to make it even more difficult to get a job and provide for their children. Rather than give them a leg up, you've locked them into a poverty trap.

    Yes, some people have bought houses that have a 2.5 hour commute every day. But that's because they can. Nobody ever bought a house which made it impossible for them to keep their job.

    Everyone's need and circumstances differ, which is why they should be assessed on each case. If someone does have a car, then refusing any home within 50km of their family is a joke.


  • #18
    saltsun
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    When we broke up families in the city centre and stuck them on the outskirts of the city it was a disaster being close to extended family is good for children and wider society

    Living near ones support network is always a good idea, anywhere in the country/world. Still some people (on here) wouldn't be happy with that as they'd lose an opportunity to stick the boot into a parent who couldn't work due to distance from support network and childcare cost. God forbid we'd implement an idea with a little thought and compassion involved in it.


  • #19
    JustShon
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    If we try really hard we could turn this into another dole thread :D


  • #20
    papu
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    saltsun wrote: »
    Living near ones support network is always a good idea, anywhere in the country/world. Still some people (on here) wouldn't be happy with that as they'd lose an opportunity to stick the boot into a parent who couldn't work due to distance from support network and childcare cost. God forbid we'd implement an idea with a little thought and compassion involved in it.

    Perhaps they shouldn't have had children with no plan or means to provide for them . I know situations can change and that's unavoidable , but most of the time it's just
    irresponsible.


  • #21
    Varik
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    _Brian wrote: »
    Houses in empty estates should be compulsory purchased similar to how farm land is CPO'd for essential road networks.
    Plenty of existing housing stock there just idle under Nama and other failed developers. CPO them all for a standard price each and hand them to local councils to administer as social housing.

    They're meant to be no better or worse off after the CPO, but in generally it's not that way and it's why we've millionaire farmers.

    The houses would go for near market rate even if they're no in a state to be sold or need work.


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  • #22
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    JustShon wrote: »
    If we try really hard we could turn this into another dole thread :D

    Seamus is only short of bringing it there....

    I don't get your point regarding Balbriggan/Rural areas - why would you want to live out there if your from say Blanchardstown and your only offered a house out in Balbriggan....

    Its an hour away by Bus Eireann bus or 50 minutes on a train or 2 hours on a Dublin Bus to the city centre, and your still a good bit away from your family, but hey your in the Fingal catchment area - and they are the only houses available to you....

    2 of my neighbours are in that exact position, so I know how they feel....


  • #23
    maudgonner
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    seamus wrote: »
    Well think about it this way - the aim of social housing is to give someone a leg-up to improve their situation.
    If someone has a basic income and is looking for work, then sticking them into a house where they have no access to public transport and is miles away from babysitters, is going to make it even more difficult to get a job and provide for their children. Rather than give them a leg up, you've locked them into a poverty trap.

    Yes, some people have bought houses that have a 2.5 hour commute every day. But that's because they can. Nobody ever bought a house which made it impossible for them to keep their job.

    Everyone's need and circumstances differ, which is why they should be assessed on each case. If someone does have a car, then refusing any home within 50km of their family is a joke.

    Again, in an ideal world that would be great. But look at it from the other side - someone goes into social housing, gets their helping hand, finds a decent job. Now what happens? Do they get to stay in social housing? Or do they have to find private accommodation - which means making that move to 'rural Cavan' and a poorer standard of living. Not much of an incentive to become self-supporting, is it?

    I'm not pretending I have the solution, but there's also no point in taking a simplistic, short-term view of things. I'm not dole bashing, just asking the question, what is fair and what are the long-term consequences?


  • #24
    JustShon
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    maudgonner wrote: »
    I'm not dole bashing, just asking the question, what is fair and what are the long-term consequences?

    There we go, first mention of the dole! I'm gonna be generous and give it another page before it's this thread again: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057563256


  • #25
    Red Kev
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    seamus wrote: »
    More sterling work by the Sinn Fein-led Dublin City Council. Taking this housing crisis seriously I see.

    Huh?

    You mean there's more to running a city or country, or trying to solve a problem than banging a fist on a table and having a rant about it.

    Dear me, and I thought a vote for SF would automatically mean all problems would be solved with a shouty speech.

    It's a bit like them ranting about the bin charges being introduced in Dublin in 2012, yet doing nothing about them after coming to power a couple of years later.

    http://www.dublinnortheast.com/news/21245


  • #26
    maudgonner
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    JustShon wrote: »
    There we go, first mention of the dole! I'm gonna be generous and give it another page before it's this thread again: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057563256


    Eh, you were the first one to mention it, in post 19? That's the reason I brought it up!


  • #27
    _Brian
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    I'm all for social housing but people can't just expect to be put up in housing in the most expensive part of the country at the expense of the taxpayer.

    Many of these people are unfortunate not to have work and seem to have little chance of getting it either. Why not be housed in a good quality house 2 hrs from Dublin rather than holding out for non existent houses in the capital.


  • #28
    JustShon
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    maudgonner wrote: »
    Eh, you were the first one to mention it, in post 19? That's the reason I brought it up!

    Yeah fair enough, perhaps I should amend it to first mention of the dole in a serious point.

    I'm not even going to get involved in the "debate" this time, I'm just watching and waiting for it to devolve into the same sh1te as every other thread that brings up unemployment and state benefits of any kind.


  • #29
    maudgonner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    JustShon wrote: »
    Yeah fair enough, perhaps I should amend it to first mention of the dole in a serious point.

    I'm not even going to get involved in the "debate" this time, I'm just watching and waiting for it to devolve into the same sh1te as every other thread that brings up unemployment and state benefits of any kind.

    Well maybe you shouldn't stir the pot then? :)


  • #30
    JustShon
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    maudgonner wrote: »
    Well maybe you shouldn't stir the pot then? :)

    Awh but stirring is fun :P


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  • #31
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    Fieldog wrote: »
    Seamus is only short of bringing it there....

    I don't get your point regarding Balbriggan/Rural areas - why would you want to live out there if your from say Blanchardstown and your only offered a house out in Balbriggan....

    Its an hour away by Bus Eireann bus or 50 minutes on a train or 2 hours on a Dublin Bus to the city centre, and your still a good bit away from your family, but hey your in the Fingal catchment area - and they are the only houses available to you....

    2 of my neighbours are in that exact position, so I know how they feel....

    Because this is real life and unless you get up and make things happen for yourself, you don't get to sit back and complain and demand things are your way or no way.

    I commute 2 hours to work and 2 hours home 5 days a week. I leave my house at 7am and I get home every evening between 8:50 and 9pm. I would love to live somewhere closer to work but unfortunately, that's beyond my means right now. So in order to have money to pay bills, and contribute to the public pot, I sacrifice 4 hours of my time away from my family each day, 5 days a week.


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