Off Topic Thread too point uh

Podge_irl · 28-02-2016 04:47PM

SF just aren't transfer friendly enough. Might change when Adams finally leaves. They'll do well if FF and FG go into coalition.

My constit (well my old one) DBN is looking interesting. O'Riordan needs to get in for Labour to meet the limit of 7 TDs. Some fall from grace. Not entirely sure he will, which is a shame as I like him. Haven't really got a clue what way the transfers will go though. The constit has really changed which is probably hurting McGrath (thankfully).

swiwi_ · 28-02-2016 07:20PM

I see James Reilly lost his seat. He made few friends among his former profession during his time as Minister for Health that's for sure.

Buer · 28-02-2016 07:35PM

Pink Fairy wrote: »

But they've hit their ceiling, this was the election we were told they could get 30 seats off the back of FF being destroyed ...and people actually decided to vote FF rather than Sinn Fein. This is as high as they ever go, Ferris has gone from being a poll topper in Kerry to getting in approx 4th.

I don't think we know where their ceiling is. The fact is that they're coming on in significant leaps each election, though. They're going to top 20 seats in this election now. The most important part is who is getting seats for them though. These aren't crusty old republicans with criminal records.

Ferris (64), Ellis (63) and Adams (67) are on the way out and won't contest another general election after this one. They're dinosaurs and the PR machine is working overtime to put new faces in place. Those getting the seats for them now are young, first time seat winners including 4 females so far this week.

As long as things are going badly, they'll capitalise on the situation and gain further traction. When Adams is gone, I can see them moderating their lunatic economic positions (whilst maintaining their historic links). ML McDonald will be their leader and nobody should forget that she's not a Shinner at all...she's a Fianna Fáiler who only quit them because she's power hungry.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 28-02-2016 07:54PM

Mary Lou isn't particularly likable though. Not sure that matters much to the electorate.

Buer · 28-02-2016 08:02PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Mary Lou isn't particularly likable though. Not sure that matters much to the electorate.

Doesn't matter. She's a complete shoe in with her constituency. Adams has been a complete disaster in this election in terms of his leadership. McDonald isn't too impressive but would be more articulate and well positioned to deal with the other leaders. If anyone is ever in trouble against Adams, there's a quite convenient grenade they can throw into the conversation.

swiwi_ · 28-02-2016 08:04PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Mary Lou isn't particularly likable though. Not sure that matters much to the electorate.

Buer wrote: »

Doesn't matter. She's a complete shoe in with her constituency. Adams has been a complete disaster in this election in terms of his leadership. McDonald isn't too impressive but would be more articulate and well positioned to deal with the other leaders. If anyone is ever in trouble against Adams, there's a quite convenient grenade they can throw into the conversation.

I would have thought Pearse Doherty would be a better choice. At least he's articulate and doesn't sound like a whining cat. TBH I'm astounded Adams is still leader of Sinn Fein, you would think he is holding them back. I suppose no-one wants to organise a coup, it could turn deadly.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 28-02-2016 08:06PM

Buer wrote: »

Doesn't matter. She's a complete shoe in with her constituency. Adams has been a complete disaster in this election in terms of his leadership. McDonald isn't too impressive but would be more articulate and well positioned to deal with the other leaders. If anyone is ever in trouble against Adams, there's a quite convenient grenade they can throw into the conversation.

Adams still romped to victory in Louth though.

I don't think Mary Lou is all that articulate either and she acts like a spoiled child too. I do think a change at the top would do them good. Pearse Doherty would be my bet but it does seem Mary Lou is the obvious choice

Stheno · 28-02-2016 08:09PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Adams still romped to victory in Louth though.

I don't think Mary Lou is all that articulate either and she acts like a spoiled child too. I do think a change at the top would do them good. Pearse Doherty would be my bet but it does seem Mary Lou is the obvious choice

Adams managed to bring a second td in Louth.

I find Mary Lou very fake especially with the dub accent

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 28-02-2016 08:14PM

Stheno wrote: »

Adams managed to bring a second td in Louth.

I find Mary Lou very fake especially with the dub accent

She's from Dublin, isn't she?

Stheno · 28-02-2016 08:17PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

She's from Dublin, isn't she?

Yeah south county Dublin and privately educated. Doesn't quite fit with the inner city dub accent

Buer · 28-02-2016 08:18PM

Doherty would be a much better choice but that would fly in the face of the succession planning that appears to have been in place for the last decade. I can see Doherty being leader one day but I would say McDonald will step up from vice-president when Adams steps down.

CatFromHue · 28-02-2016 09:30PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

TBH I'm astounded Adams is still leader of Sinn Fein, you would think he is holding them back.

I suppose there's the argument of who really runs SF................

Synode · 28-02-2016 09:42PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I suppose there's the argument of who really runs SF................

Apparently their Ard Fheis is like something from a Mafia movie. 3/4 length leather jackets everywhere

Pink Fairy · 28-02-2016 09:49PM

Buer wrote: »

I don't think we know where their ceiling is. The fact is that they're coming on in significant leaps each election, though. They're going to top 20 seats in this election now. The most important part is who is getting seats for them though. These aren't crusty old republicans with criminal records.

Ferris (64), Ellis (63) and Adams (67) are on the way out and won't contest another general election after this one. They're dinosaurs and the PR machine is working overtime to put new faces in place. Those getting the seats for them now are young, first time seat winners including 4 females so far this week.

As long as things are going badly, they'll capitalise on the situation and gain further traction. When Adams is gone, I can see them moderating their lunatic economic positions (whilst maintaining their historic links). ML McDonald will be their leader and nobody should forget that she's not a Shinner at all...she's a Fianna Fáiler who only quit them because she's power hungry.

Mary Lou will never be leader of Sinn Fein, of that you can be sure. Chances of it being someone in the Dáil are slim enough as their core power base is in the north, Doherty has a chance, perhaps.
As for their ceiling, this is it. They followed the 2 most despised governments ever, and predicted 30 seats.... This is actually going to be looked on as a failure for Sinn Fein, they should have approx 15 more seats than they will end up with.....but only if they had a leader people trusted and economic policies that weren't pie in the sky, purple flying monkey shïte.

Synode · 28-02-2016 09:55PM

The fact they got over 20 seats with their economic policies makes me very sad. There's an awful lot of idiots in this country

Pink Fairy · 28-02-2016 10:14PM

RIP Father Jack

Stheno · 28-02-2016 10:15PM

Synode wrote: »

The fact they got over 20 seats with their economic policies makes me very sad. There's an awful lot of idiots in this country

Their economic policies mean that if they ever get into power, I'll leave the country.

Thankfully there are plenty of job opportunities for me abroad

Pudsy33 · 28-02-2016 10:16PM

Synode wrote: »

The fact they got over 20 seats with their economic policies makes me very sad. There's an awful lot of idiots in this country

They have policies?

Stheno · 28-02-2016 10:22PM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

They have policies?

Well makeyupy facts like "the rich earn too much, everyone over 100k per year should hand over all their money to the govt"

Or "we need an NHS" while Gerry saunters over to the US for his healthcare.

Tox56 · 28-02-2016 10:35PM

Pink Fairy wrote: »

Mary Lou will never be leader of Sinn Fein, of that you can be sure. Chances of it being someone in the Dáil are slim enough as their core power base is in the north, Doherty has a chance, perhaps.
As for their ceiling, this is it. They followed the 2 most despised governments ever, and predicted 30 seats.... This is actually going to be looked on as a failure for Sinn Fein, they should have approx 15 more seats than they will end up with.....but only if they had a leader people trusted and economic policies that weren't pie in the sky, purple flying monkey shïte.

When you consider Fianna Fail are nearly the biggest party again it is hard to think anything will ever significantly change

Buer · 28-02-2016 10:54PM

Pink Fairy wrote:

Mary Lou will never be leader of Sinn Fein, of that you can be sure. Chances of it being someone in the DÃ¡il are slim enough as their core power base is in the north, Doherty has a chance, perhaps.

I'd be surprised if they went for a northern leader. It would completely undermine all the work they've done over the past decade to win over southern votes and try to put some distance between themselves and terrorist links.

The big focus for them is to grow power in the south and get a foothold in Leinster House rather than Stormont where they're already well established.

Every bookie and pundit has McDonald miles ahead as the likely successor with Doherty the only real challenger. She has been publicly groomed for the job for a long time now.

It wouldn't be any massive break with tradition either given the bulk of leaders historically have been from south of the border.

Buer · 28-02-2016 10:57PM

If you're right wing or right centre (which a massive chunk of people who actually get out and vote are), there's not much choice. Since the demise of the PDs, they either go FF or FG....aside from Renua who are batsh*t crazy.

JCX BXC · 28-02-2016 11:18PM

Buer wrote: »

aside from Renua who are batsh*t crazy.

They have been refereed to as the "Irish version of Islamic State"

Podge_irl · 28-02-2016 11:18PM

Buer wrote: »

aside from Renua who are batsh*t crazy.

And thus got no seats which is great.

Tox56 · 28-02-2016 11:54PM

Buer wrote: »

If you're right wing or right centre (which a massive chunk of people who actually get out and vote are), there's not much choice. Since the demise of the PDs, they either go FF or FG....aside from Renua who are batsh*t crazy.

Theres not much choice for anyone, really. The only left wing party (outside Labour, who probably dont even deserve to be in that conversation) with an even semi-realistic chance of making it into government is Sinn Fein, and if nothing else they operate with the enormous handicap of immediately alienating a huge percentage of the population just because they're Sinn Fein. Watching the final leaders debate pretty much summed it up, 4 major parties and each one seems somehow even more god awful than the last

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 29-02-2016 12:03AM

Buer wrote: »

I'd be surprised if they went for a northern leader. It would completely undermine all the work they've done over the past decade to win over southern votes and try to put some distance between themselves and terrorist links.

The big focus for them is to grow power in the south and get a foothold in Leinster House rather than Stormont where they're already well established.

Every bookie and pundit has McDonald miles ahead as the likely successor with Doherty the only real challenger. She has been publicly groomed for the job for a long time now.

It wouldn't be any massive break with tradition either given the bulk of leaders historically have been from south of the border.

Pearse Doherty isn't Northern, he's young, he's got no past links to the troubles, as far as I know. He is their spokesperson on finance though :eek:

Zzippy · 29-02-2016 12:10AM

swiwi_ wrote: »

I see James Reilly lost his seat. He made few friends among his former profession during his time as Minister for Health that's for sure.

Former? AFAIK he's been back practising medicine in his GP surgery for a while now.

I never liked that term "practising medicine". Feck sake, could ye doctors not come up with a more reassuring phrase for us patients test subjects!
:P

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 29-02-2016 12:17AM

Zzippy wrote: »

Former? AFAIK he's been back practising medicine in his GP surgery for a while now.

I never liked that term "practising medicine". Feck sake, could ye doctors not come up with a more reassuring phrase for us patients test subjects!
:P

Dunno now, I had some bloods taken last week and practice seems like a pretty accurate word for yer one doing it. It was like she was digging for gold in my poor arm. Still got a bruise around my elbow 2 weeks later.

Zzippy · 29-02-2016 12:33AM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Dunno now, I had some bloods taken last week and practice seems like a pretty accurate word for yer one doing it. It was like she was digging for gold in my poor arm. Still got a bruise around my elbow 2 weeks later.

I get my bloods taken regularly, and have had some unbelievably good and unbelievably bad nurses drawing it. One had a colleague actually grip and squeeze my upper arm as hard as he could to get blood out after 4 failed attempts on different veins. I was like a pin cushion! Then another nurse I have regularly is superb, I barely even feel the needle going in and she always finds the vein first time... let's just say I'm glad she's had lots of practice on other people!

29-02-2016 12:51AM

Zzippy wrote: »

I get my bloods taken regularly, and have had some unbelievably good and unbelievably bad nurses drawing it. One had a colleague actually grip and squeeze my upper arm as hard as he could to get blood out after 4 failed attempts on different veins. I was like a pin cushion! Then another nurse I have regularly is superb, I barely even feel the needle going in and she always finds the vein first time... let's just say I'm glad she's had lots of practice on other people!

Getting bloods done this week as I've had a run of sickness and want to make sure nothing is amiss (am sure t'will be grand).

But I remember when I was training I'd have bloods done regularly at a clinic in Dublin and the difference between nurses was staggering. I had exceptionally low body fat so all my veins were very visibly, yet one nurse on two separate occasions managed to pierce straight through the vein. Really amateur stuff and quite uncomfortable. Another nurse who was a regular was terrific, never felt a pinch and she had it done and taken in seconds.

Off Topic Thread too point uh

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