Playstation Plus Discussion Thread - FAQ in first post

johnny_ultimate · 24-02-2016 10:00AM

cadete wrote: »

Take Xbox, a years sub is what less than €30,

Nope, Xbox Live actually costs more than PS Plus at €60, although you might find it a bit cheaper in Amazon, Argos etc.... The existence of a few dodgy 'grey market' sites that are significantly cheaper is not really applicable for 99% of consumers, and IMO not really a fair indicator of what the service costs for your average Irish consumer who turns on their Xbox for the first time. Ditto the worldwide stores - the tiny percentage of people using the Azerbaijani store is not really an accurate gauge of how much games for the console cost.

cadete · 24-02-2016 10:14AM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Nope, Xbox Live actually costs more than PS Plus at €60, although you might find it a bit cheaper in Amazon, Argos etc.... The existence of a few dodgy 'grey market' sites that are significantly cheaper is not really applicable for 99% of consumers, and IMO not really a fair indicator of what the service costs for your average Irish consumer who turns on their Xbox for the first time. Ditto the worldwide stores - the tiny percentage of people using the Azerbaijani store is not really an accurate gauge of how much games for the console cost.

I must disagree, 99% don't buy the code at the cheapest price? That's not even close to the reality! These dodgy grey market sites sell legitimate codes that work perfectly well do they not? If they didn't they wouldn't exist, and as for the holiday purchases the same, have a look in the Xbox forum, or maybe run a poll in there, I think you may be quite suprised

johnny_ultimate · 24-02-2016 10:20AM

I don't consider the people who actively post in or read Xbox forums (or indeed PlayStation ones) to be an accurate gauge of the consumer base

As said, I'd firmly believe the vast majority of consumers have no idea about the existence of the trickery that can get stuff cheaper. And for that reason I don't think they're a fair gauge of how much they cost. All the same arguments are applicable for PlayStation anyway

cadete · 24-02-2016 10:29AM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I don't consider the people who actively post in or read Xbox forums (or indeed PlayStation ones) to be an accurate gauge of the consumer base As said, I'd firmly believe the vast majority of consumers have no idea about the existence of the trickery that can get stuff cheaper. And for that reason I don't think they're a fair gauge of how much they cost. All the same arguments are applicable for PlayStation anyway

So you suggest that the vast majority of consumers have no idea how to use the trickery that is Google? It's amazing how online shopping ever got off the ground I guess,

drop a link to a years psn for €30 and I will concede defeat sure

Lucious Sweet · 24-02-2016 10:43AM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I don't consider the people who actively post in or read Xbox forums (or indeed PlayStation ones) to be an accurate gauge of the consumer base As said, I'd firmly believe the vast majority of consumers have no idea about the existence of the trickery that can get stuff cheaper. And for that reason I don't think they're a fair gauge of how much they cost. All the same arguments are applicable for PlayStation anyway

The fact that GameStop are still in existence is testament to that.

Kenjataimu · 24-02-2016 10:49AM

cadete wrote: »

So you suggest that the vast majority of consumers have no idea how to use the trickery that is Google? It's amazing how online shopping ever got off the ground I guess, drop a link to a years psn for €30 and I will concede defeat sure

I bought 3 years of PSN for 15euro each when Argos had it reduced last year.

cadete · 24-02-2016 10:52AM

Kenjataimu wrote: »

I bought 3 years worth PSN for 15euro each when Argos had it reduced last year.

In fairness the discussion is how ps+ can be purchased online for the same price as gold?

Mr Bloat · 24-02-2016 10:58AM

cadete wrote: »

So you suggest that the vast majority of consumers have no idea how to use the trickery that is Google? It's amazing how online shopping ever got off the ground I guess, drop a link to a years psn for €30 and I will concede defeat sure

Do you seriously think that if the grey market for game and annual subs sales was impacting the profits that MS make from legitimate sales that they wouldn't have clamped down on it by now? Remember that this is Microsoft we're taking about. The same Microsoft who sell licences for Office, Windows, Servers and many more software products. Their licencing division has had many years of tweaking how software gets licensed and paid for, they aren't fools and if the vast majority was availing of the grey market to get subs and games for cheap, MS would have taken measures to stamp it out.

cadete · 24-02-2016 11:07AM

Mr Bloat wrote: »

Do you seriously think that if the grey market for game and annual subs sales was impacting the profits that MS make from legitimate sales that they wouldn't have clamped down on it by now? Remember that this is Microsoft we're taking about. The same Microsoft who sell licences for Office, Windows, Servers and many more software products. Their licencing division has had many years of tweaking how software gets licensed and paid for, they aren't fools and if the vast majority was availing of the grey market to get subs and games for cheap, MS would have taken measures to stamp it out.

Hang on a minute, I said that to say that 99% of people didn't know that a years sub for Xbox could be purchased online for a massive savings was totally wrong, I said that lots of people used grey market sites and holiday purchases to buy their material, I NEVER said the vast majority at all that was other writers! as usual in this thread there are no rebuttals, the conversation is dragged into figures pulled from thin air and attempts to lead the conversation into areas there ps+ does indeed provide value for money! Which imo don't exist

How long before "if you don't like it don't pay it" gets trotted out

Mr Bloat · 24-02-2016 11:19AM

cadete wrote: »

Hang on a minute, I said that to say that 99% of people didn't know that a years sub for Xbox could be purchased online for a massive savings was totally wrong, I said that lots of people used grey market sites and holiday purchases to buy their material,I NEVER said the vast majority at all that was other writers! as usual in this thread there are no rebuttals, the conversation is dragged into figures pulled from thin air and attempts to lead the conversation into areas there ps+ does indeed provide value for money! Which imo don't exist

How long before "if you don't like it don't pay it" gets trotted out

You seem to feel very hard done by in this discussion. No rebuttals? What are we doing now? Rebuttalling! (I know that's not a word...

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You said:

cadete wrote: »

So you suggest that the vast majority of consumers have no idea how to use the trickery that is Google? It's amazing how online shopping ever got off the ground I guess, drop a link to a years psn for €30 and I will concede defeat sure

which, to me, suggests that you think the vast majority of XBox users have Googled how to get cheap XBL subs and availed of the advice that Google presented them with.

Seriously though, if you don't like it, you could always not pay it... :P

johnny_ultimate · 24-02-2016 11:19AM

If 99% is very possibly an exaggeration, I don't think it's a major one. Certainly I'd believe only a tiny proportion of players use the grey market (albeit that tiny proportion still being a sustainable market). I'd say the grey market percentage would be much higher in other, less developed markets.

Yes, you'd struggle to get a PS Plus subscription as cheap as an Xbox Live one (although the multi region thing is still very possible), although you'd certainly find it for a fiver-tenner cheaper than RRP. But really my point is that for all but a small percentage of players the services are more or less the same price - indeed, PS+ is a little cheaper for most, but not significantly. Comparisons between the two services, therefore, should IMO be made on the basis that they're near identical price-wise for most.

kunst nugget · 24-02-2016 12:12PM

About as grey as I get is buying second hand games occasionally. I buy most of my games through PSN but usually wait until they are in sales. Funnily enough, if I'm going to be paying tax on game purchases, I'd rather it went back into my own economy than going into Azerbaijan's. I've never been a day one purchaser though so that might make a difference to how I would purchase games.

astonaidan · 24-02-2016 12:23PM

My friend is a mad gamer, as in he plays maybe 12 hours a day, its like his life and he didnt know about using other stores ie canada or game sharing, the regular person knows nothing about these grey markets its a small minority that use it, saying otherwise is foolish and just incorrect.
Do I think PS plus is worth it, probably not game wise in that I dont really get any games I enjoy, indies arent really my thing but Im sure others get plenty out of it, where I get value is the discount on sales for having plus

RedXIV · 24-02-2016 02:01PM

Got the plaque! Took a while longer than most because I kept forgetting to get it in the postal depot (who very kindly held on to it for me for an extra week or so).

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God knows when they took the metrics from, because I definitely play online more than that

24-02-2016 03:20PM

cadete wrote: »

In fairness I am a massive critic of the ps+ system, I'm not interested in the "free" games at all I pay for multiplayer. The whole system has improved drastically since the days of PS3 and the big outage granted but for €50 a month lots of people don't feel it's good value.

Take Xbox, a years sub is what less than €30, games can be purchased from any of the worldwide stores if "you happen to be there on holiday" and much cheaper in those stores.
Games with gold has been very impressive the last few months and Xbox have certainly upped their game.

Sony on the other hand seem to be dumping lots of indie titles that may be good but are not what mainstream users of ps4 want to see.
The ps4 catalogue right now is bigger than PS3 was at this stage in its lifetime and Sony should be thinking about the players as they say themselves say. A 2 tier (€50 and €25 for example) plus would be very welcome imo and honestly I think the number of people paying €50 a year for their "free" games would be tiny and I think the vast majority would go the cheaper route, or Sony could just drop knack or killzone and titles like that a few times a year to keep people happy

My PS+ for the year cost me 13 euro and I have it stacked for the next couple of years. I can buy games off any of the many market places and unlike with MS I know that Sony do not have a history of going after those who purchase from markets outside of their own country. Sony have never had an issue with people purchasing from the various different country stores where as MS have banned people for doing so.

A Neurotic · 24-02-2016 03:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

My PS+ for the year cost me 13 euro and I have it stacked for the next couple of years. I can buy games off any of the many market places and unlike with MS I know that Sony do not have a history of going after those who purchase from markets outside of their own country. Sony have never had an issue with people purchasing from the various different country stores where as MS have banned people for doing so.

How'd you manage €13 for the year?

24-02-2016 03:34PM

A Neurotic wrote: »

How'd you manage €13 for the year?

Bought a number of the yearly subs in Argos when they were €13

um7y1h83ge06nx · 24-02-2016 03:44PM

As someone that took the plunge and bought a Xbox One last year after buying a PS4 at launch I hope I can comment without being accused of being a fanboy either way!

I think it's only a good thing for consumers for some competition between PS Plus and GWG.

I have to say I'm delighted with next month's GWG line-up, games I was almost going to buy at various times, I think MS have upped their game and will stop Sony from getting complacent . Can't wait to see how Sony respond.

As regards prices, I would loved to have grabbed Plus for €13, paid €47.99 best price from Argos for mine. Bought Xbox Gold for €27-28 from CD Keys.

Kenjataimu · 24-02-2016 04:07PM

Another tip is to keep an eye out for the "spend and save" vouchers you get with dunnes/supervalu/lidl/aldi.

Tesco will accept them. Usually 10e off when you spend 50e.

Its been a while since aldi/lidl put them in the papers though.

Beefy78 · 24-02-2016 04:25PM

The €13 was a ****-up by Argos. It isn't really fair to bring it into a discussion about what great value PS+ is.

johnny_ultimate · 24-02-2016 04:27PM

Yep as someone who think including the grey market is unfair, so too do I reckon a once-off ultra bargain isn't any way representative either. Basically: XBL and PS+ are in and around the same price for the vast majority of players and should be compared / contrasted on those terms. Don't think that's too radical a statement

OrgasmicBaz · 24-02-2016 04:48PM

Out of curiosity what games are Microsoft offering as free this month that are so good?

Rossi IRL · 24-02-2016 04:52PM

(XB1)
Lords of the Fallen
Sherlock Homes
Borderlands
Another game

Or
(PS4)
Broforce
Galak-z

Xbox One is getting the best this month.

OrgasmicBaz · 24-02-2016 04:53PM

Jesus thats a nice list!

Is this a common trend or have Xbox outdone themselves this month?

Rossi IRL · 24-02-2016 04:57PM

OrgasmicBaz wrote: »

Jesus thats a nice list!

Is this a common trend or have Xbox outdone themselves this month?

They used to be both crap enough but i think xbox have started recently giving bigger games.

Recently it was the tomb raider game

kunst nugget · 24-02-2016 05:06PM

OrgasmicBaz wrote: »

Jesus thats a nice list!

Is this a common trend or have Xbox outdone themselves this month?

The thing is that every 360 that they release with gold now is compatible with the Xbox One so the lists are even sweeter.

My God, Plus for this month truly is fúcking terrible.

Xenji · 24-02-2016 05:18PM

Came in to see what games were announced for next month, find 3 pages about XBL.

Anyway :

Broforce (PS4)
Galak-Z (PS4)
Super Stardust HD (PS3)
The Last Guy (PS3)
Flame Over (PS Vita)
Reality Fighters (PS Vita)

kunst nugget · 24-02-2016 05:21PM

Xenji wrote: »

Came in to see what games were announced for next month, find 3 pages about XBL.

Anyway :

Broforce (PS4)
Galak-Z (PS4)
Super Stardust HD (PS3)
The Last Guy (PS3)
Flame Over (PS Vita)
Reality Fighters (PS Vita)

I only have a Vita and PS3 at the moment and those games look to be absolute sheee-ite. Pretty sure I already get Super Stardust for the Vita with Plus…

24-02-2016 05:23PM

Beefy78 wrote: »

The €13 was a ****-up by Argos. It isn't really fair to bring it into a discussion about what great value PS+ is.

It is when we have users stating that the grey market price for Xbox Live is representative of the cost of it.

kunst nugget · 24-02-2016 05:23PM

Xenji wrote: »

Came in to see what games were announced for next month, find 3 pages about XBL.

Probably because people wanted to talk about something positive…

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