Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning link in OP 20/3

21-02-2016 12:51AM

Nalz wrote: »

Down in my plums is a great scene...did it even make it into an episode?

Yep! He was doing his best Ric Flair impression Will has said.

Flint Fredstone · 21-02-2016 12:53AM

astradave wrote: »

What's he doing with Louis' notepad???

StringerBell · 21-02-2016 12:57AM

Jose enjoys his notes

Possibly even more analytical and role specific then his former mentor!

Will be some climb down from the club to go back to him after publicly writing him off as Man United manager material only a couple of years ago.

21-02-2016 01:05AM

Nalz wrote: »

Down in my plums is a great scene...did it even make it into an episode?

Season 1 episode 5

homerjay2005 · 21-02-2016 01:18AM

the last thread saw 3 wins, 3 draws and 3 defeats in the 9 league games played in the thread lifetime - 12 points from 27:o

Sand · 21-02-2016 01:22AM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

But see it surely would be in his interest to stay long term as there is not much jobs left for him to get after this!

Jose is not going to change. He didn't have much in the way of top level jobs left after Chelsea at the start of the season but he still thought it was a good idea to publicly pick a childish fight with his medical staff. And to give rambling, cringe inducing interviews in the aftermath of defeats.

Either people want Jose, warts and all, for 2 seasons before a third where he leaves the club in meltdown and maybe with a messy courtcase to fight, or they don't. The man seems to have a pathological resistance to any sort of authority or conflicting view so trying to put "good behaviour" or "United Way" rules on him would only make things worse.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 21-02-2016 01:29AM

I don't buy into all of this he wins a title and then it all goes to **** in year three. I know it has happened before but doesn't mean it is definitely going to happen again. It may but it would be unlikely IMO. More likely that he just isn't successful and we move onto the next manager.

Crimson King · 21-02-2016 08:22AM

Considering how fcucked up Chelsea and Madrid are I think it's unfair to assume anyone can survive more than 3 seasons there without politics (both player power and boardroom level) effecting them. I have always thought it just unlucky everyone has this perception of Jose because the 3 times he did leave clubs under a cloud were those two messed up clubs. Porto and inter he left a hero under his own terms, he left beside the clubs were not big enough for his ambition. That won't happen at United because simply put there are only two clubs as big, one of them is Madrid and the other would never hire him.

gosplan · 21-02-2016 08:41AM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

I don't buy into all of this he wins a title and then it all goes to **** in year three. I know it has happened before but doesn't mean it is definitely going to happen again. It may but it would be unlikely IMO. More likely that he just isn't successful and we move onto the next manager.

Because he's left in year 3 in his last 5 jobs it would be unlikely???

That makes no sense.

He can't reinvent teams. He can go in, motivate the hell out if everyone, create the ultimate siege mentality and win stuff. But it runs out of steam.

Don't kid yourself that it will be different.

jayo26 · 21-02-2016 08:54AM

gosplan wrote: »

Because he's left in year 3 in his last 5 jobs it would be unlikely???

That makes no sense.

He can't reinvent teams. He can go in, motivate the hell out if everyone, create the ultimate siege mentality and win stuff. But it runs out of steam.

Don't kid yourself that it will be different.

How do you know that he can't reinvent teams? He has never failed to rebuild a squad because he either moved on to a bigger job or wasn't given time.

Porto: left to join chelsea who wouldn't??

Chelsea: sacked harshly after winning alot of trophies but fell out with owner.

Inter: left to join madrid who wouldn't?

Madrid: sacked due to mainly player unrest need I say more..

Chelsea: sacked due to a very underperforming team probably due to his handling of the physio incident but again I agree with previous poster I think the chelsea dressing room is toxic has been for long time.

To say he can't rebuild a team is a bit wrong because really he has only been sacked once due to very poor results and there is alot more to that.

I wouldnt call jose the perfect Man for United but no point in making up stuff to try prove a point.

gosplan · 21-02-2016 09:11AM

jayo26 wrote: »

How do you know that he can't reinvent teams? He has never failed to rebuild a squad because he either moved on to a bigger job or wasn't given time.

Porto: left to join chelsea who wouldn't??

Chelsea: sacked harshly after winning alot of trophies but fell out with owner.

Inter: left to join madrid who wouldn't?

Madrid: sacked due to mainly player unrest need I say more..

Chelsea: sacked due to a very underperforming team probably due to his handling of the physio incident but again I agree with previous poster I think the chelsea dressing room is toxic has been for long time.

To say he can't rebuild a team is a bit wrong because really he has only been sacked once due to very poor results and there is alot more to that.

I wouldnt call jose the perfect Man for United but no point in making up stuff to try prove a point.

Sorry, he has never shown himself capable of reinventing his own teams, because he's either failed at it, or moved on, or fallen out with everyone before he could.

I'm not making stuff up. Anyone will tell you it's unlikely that he'd be Man U after 4/5 years.

That's not a fiction.

glued · 21-02-2016 09:21AM

gosplan wrote: »

Sorry, he has never shown himself capable of reinventing his own teams, because he's either failed at it, or moved on, or fallen out with everyone before he could.

I'm not making stuff up. Anyone will tell you it's unlikely that he'd be Man U after 4/5 years.

That's not a fiction.

Going by his career to date that is very true. That's the main reason Sir Bobby and Fergie were against Mourinho being appointed as United manager.

Any manager that comes in will also have to constantly deal with ex-players who will continue to pine for Giggs and undermine the manager. It happened to Moyes and Van Gaal.

Leroy42 · 21-02-2016 09:41AM

Yeah, Jose has never shown any real ability to rebuild a successful team, it was one of the reasons why he was overlooked as he was seen as a short term appointment. Yes he may well bring success but Utd would be looking for another manager in 3 years.

Thankfully, they didn't go with him so we could waste 3 years, no trophies, continue to fall away, have no squad depth and have results like we have endured the last 3 years.

Much prefer that than having the whole ignoble ediface of Jose landing us the EPL or CL trophies

gosplan · 21-02-2016 09:51AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yeah, Jose has never shown any real ability to rebuild a successful team, it was one of the reasons why he was overlooked as he was seen as a short term appointment. Yes he may well bring success but Utd would be looking for another manager in 3 years.

Thankfully, they didn't go with him so we could waste 3 years, no trophies, continue to fall away, have no squad depth and have results like we have endured the last 3 years.

Much prefer that than having the whole ignoble ediface of Jose landing us the EPL or CL trophies

In terms of appointments it's a no-brainer.

He'll leave in 3 years but Utd will be in a much better place. Old Trafford will be a fortress again.

Giggsy11 · 21-02-2016 09:54AM

gosplan wrote: »

Sorry, he has never shown himself capable of reinventing his own teams, because he's either failed at it, or moved on, or fallen out with everyone before he could.

I'm not making stuff up. Anyone will tell you it's unlikely that he'd be Man U after 4/5 years.

That's not a fiction.

I agree partially but to say he has never shown or capable or reinventing his own team is wrong. Chelsea team had his blueprint and that team played nearly for a decade with the same core team. Reinventing teams also depends on how badly it is needed.

For example he signed players like Robben, Drogba, Carvalho, Ferreira, Essien, Del Horno, Ballack, Cole who all played for years and played important part in winning titles.

For Inter he signed players like Eto'o, Milito, Sneijder, Lucio, Motta who played significant part in winning treble. Players like Sneijder and Milito were just amazing that season.

At Madrid he didn't need to make significant changes as they already spent so much and assembled quality squad. He then signed Ozil, Khedira, Di Maria, Varane, Modric.

At Chelsea, he signed Schurrle, Willian, Matic, Zouma, Fabregas, Costa, Remy and all these played played their part in winning the title. Most importantly Fabregas and Costa.

No need to reinvent when there is no need. For example, at Chelesa when he started he just can't sell Cech, Terry, Lampard, Duff just to reinvent team.

billyhead · 21-02-2016 10:13AM

Are you all nor jumping to conclusions to quickly saying he has the gig. You can't honestly take some oul biddy saying he is going to be our next manager at face value.

gosplan · 21-02-2016 10:29AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

I agree partially but to say he has never shown or capable or reinventing his own team is wrong. Chelsea team had his blueprint and that team played nearly for a decade with the same core team. Reinventing teams also depends on how badly it is needed.

For example he signed players like Robben, Drogba, Carvalho, Ferreira, Essien, Del Horno, Ballack, Cole who all played for years and played important part in winning titles.

For Inter he signed players like Eto'o, Milito, Sneijder, Lucio, Motta who played significant part in winning treble. Players like Sneijder and Milito were just amazing that season.

At Madrid he didn't need to make significant changes as they already spent so much and assembled quality squad. He then signed Ozil, Khedira, Di Maria, Varane, Modric.

At Chelsea, he signed Schurrle, Willian, Matic, Zouma, Fabregas, Costa, Remy and all these played played their part in winning the title. Most importantly Fabregas and Costa.

No need to reinvent when there is no need. For example, at Chelesa when he started he just can't sell Cech, Terry, Lampard, Duff just to reinvent team.

No you're correct. It's probably a bad choice of phrasing on my part.

What I meant to say was that it appears that after three years when a Jose team needs some change or a shot in the arm, he can't quote manage it.

But that's what made Fergie so special.

Edit: just to be clear, I'm saying he would leave you in three years or so with a better squad, a trophy and a great home record.

If I was Man U chairman, I'd approach Poch and Simeone. If they say no, go with Jose and then go straight back to them saying 'we want you next'

billyhead · 21-02-2016 10:38AM

gosplan wrote: »

No you're correct. It's probably a bad choice of phrasing on my part.

What I meant to say was that it appears that after three years when a Jose team needs some change or a shot in the arm, he can't quote manage it.

But that's what made Fergie so special.

Edit: just to be clear, I'm saying he would leave you in three years or so with a better squad, a trophy and a great home record.

If I was Man U chairman, I'd approach Poch and Simeone. If they say no, go with Jose and then go straight back to them saying 'we want you next'

I would also like to see them approach the Juve manager Allegri

Crimson King · 21-02-2016 10:38AM

As much as that is what happened with Jose after the 3 year window with Chelsea (twice), and Madrid it's been stated and I agree, that no manager could have survived without issues with those two teams, simply put even Fergie would have walked if he could not control his affairs without interference and that's simply not going to happen at those teams. United' board don't interfere and trust the manager, until he proves not up to it. The players became an issue for moyes, however all the powerful ones are gone except Rooney. It's set up nicley for him if he wants the job tbh

21-02-2016 10:46AM

In at 50!

I'm surprised at this stage that the club still hasn't said anything considering what's on SSN this morning.

20 Times 20 Times · 21-02-2016 10:50AM

The silence speaks volumes!

Quandary · 21-02-2016 10:51AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

In at 50!

I'm surprised at this stage that the club still hasn't said anything considering what's on SSN this morning.

What was on SSN this morning?

21-02-2016 10:54AM

Quandary wrote: »

What was on SSN this morning?

Jaysus we are josejumpy this morning!
I mean the report about yer wan!

homerjay2005 · 21-02-2016 10:55AM

Giggs as next manager stories just won't go away will they?

It really does give off the feeling of a divided board,lacking leadership which is ripping apart the club right from the top down.

Blatter · 21-02-2016 10:58AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Giggs as next manager stories just won't go away will they?

It really does give off the feeling of a divided board,lacking leadership which is ripping apart the club right from the top down.

You say this because of an article written by nobody journalists who work for the Sun?

I didn't see anyone else mention Giggs for the job recently.

21-02-2016 10:59AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Giggs as next manager stories just won't go away will they?

It really does give off the feeling of a divided board,lacking leadership which is ripping apart the club right from the bottom down.

Seriously Homer

It's like reading the obituaries on repeat

Giggsy11 · 21-02-2016 11:00AM

gosplan wrote: »

No you're correct. It's probably a bad choice of phrasing on my part.

What I meant to say was that it appears that after three years when a Jose team needs some change or a shot in the arm, he can't quote manage it.

But that's what made Fergie so special.

Edit: just to be clear, I'm saying he would leave you in three years or so with a better squad, a trophy and a great home record.

If I was Man U chairman, I'd approach Poch and Simeone. If they say no, go with Jose and then go straight back to them saying 'we want you next'

I agree that if we sign him he will stay for max 3 years.

Also I wouldn't use his 3 years at Chelsea and Madrid against him as no other manager have managed more than 2 years at both clubs in the last decade.

Leroy42 · 21-02-2016 11:01AM

billyhead wrote: »

I would also like to see them approach the Juve manager Allegri

No experience in the PL, why would you go with him rather than a man that has proven himself a winner already.

We have seen countless times, LVG being the latest example, of how tough it appears for managers outside the PL to come in hit the ground running.

Allegri may well be a great manager, I'm not certain, but can we take another 2 or 3 years where he finds his feet?

jayo26 · 21-02-2016 11:03AM

Blatter wrote: »

You say this because if an article written by nobody journalists who work for the Sun?

I didn't see anyone else mention Giggs for the job recently.

I put 20 quid on him yesterday to get the job at 8/1

Crimson King · 21-02-2016 11:10AM

United are desperate with two failed appointments. The next one has to work or board level changes will occur Imo.

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