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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning link in OP 20/3

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Would love to have started this off with news Jose was signing. Hopefully soon. Hopefully this thread has more luck than the last....

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deaddonkey15

I think we're at the stage where we need to stop worrying about what may or may not happen in 3 years time and start worrying about right now. LVG is doing damage that will take a long time to repair. We are going to miss out on CL football again next season and despite spending 250m we still have a substandard squad in need of an overhaul. We need to start winning trophies again soon or we risk slipping into obscurity. We are so far behind the likes of Bayern and Barca it's frightening. Mourinho is the only manager with the ego, experience and Fergie-like presence that can come in and make us competitive and relevant again. He's a high profile manager that can probably attract a higher calibre of player to the club even without CL football. If he leaves in 3 years having delivered a title or two and having turned us into a European powerhouse again then it will have been a great appointment. We can chase the likes of Pochettino, Koeman, Allegri then for long term stability, assuming they are still successful. Right now, Mourinho is the only manager that give the club the shot in the arm it desperately needs.

adox

Personally I've no problem with Jose for three years. Sure we knew the maximum we were getting out of Van Gaal when he signed up was three years.

I totally understand the argument for not wanting him, based on the person he is and his antics but whether he stays beyond three years is an irrelevance.

gosplan

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Why is everyone so certain Jose will leave after 3 years? He stated something along the lines of the culture and passion of the PL is his favorite before becoming Chelsea manager for the second time. Most importantly, it's common knowledge he's wanted the United job for years.

If he ever wanted to build a legacy at a club (why wouldn't he?), this is where he'd choose to do it.

Of course it makes sense for him to stay longer, rehash his teams and rebuild.

It also makes sense for me to become a millionaire.

That's not to say either of us are capable of doing it.

This isn't to say Jose is special in this regard. Very few managers can have an impact beyond 3/4 years at a club.

Cantona's Collars

So half the English press has Jose to United,the other half say the club will go with Giggs.The media across the Continent are sticking with Jose-I know which papers I'd believe.
If the English press have shown anything it's their constant switching of stories,they seem to be clueless for the most part where the foreign sources seem to have their fingers on the pulse.

NoviGlitzko

Why is everyone so certain Jose will leave after 3 years? He stated something along the lines of the culture and passion of the PL is his favorite before becoming Chelsea manager for the second time. Most importantly, it's common knowledge he's wanted the United job for years.

If he ever wanted to build a legacy at a club (why wouldn't he?), this is where he'd choose to do it.

homerjay2005

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Seriously Homer

It's like reading the obituaries on repeat

I know, and its ****ing sickening that the club won't do anything about it.

Crimson King

United are desperate with two failed appointments. The next one has to work or board level changes will occur Imo.

jayo26

Blatter wrote: »

You say this because if an article written by nobody journalists who work for the Sun?

I didn't see anyone else mention Giggs for the job recently.

I put 20 quid on him yesterday to get the job at 8/1

Leroy42

billyhead wrote: »

I would also like to see them approach the Juve manager Allegri

No experience in the PL, why would you go with him rather than a man that has proven himself a winner already.

We have seen countless times, LVG being the latest example, of how tough it appears for managers outside the PL to come in hit the ground running.

Allegri may well be a great manager, I'm not certain, but can we take another 2 or 3 years where he finds his feet?

Giggsy11

gosplan wrote: »

No you're correct. It's probably a bad choice of phrasing on my part.

What I meant to say was that it appears that after three years when a Jose team needs some change or a shot in the arm, he can't quote manage it.

But that's what made Fergie so special.

Edit: just to be clear, I'm saying he would leave you in three years or so with a better squad, a trophy and a great home record.

If I was Man U chairman, I'd approach Poch and Simeone. If they say no, go with Jose and then go straight back to them saying 'we want you next'

I agree that if we sign him he will stay for max 3 years.

Also I wouldn't use his 3 years at Chelsea and Madrid against him as no other manager have managed more than 2 years at both clubs in the last decade.

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homerjay2005 wrote: »

Giggs as next manager stories just won't go away will they?

It really does give off the feeling of a divided board,lacking leadership which is ripping apart the club right from the bottom down.

Seriously Homer

It's like reading the obituaries on repeat

Blatter

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Giggs as next manager stories just won't go away will they?

It really does give off the feeling of a divided board,lacking leadership which is ripping apart the club right from the top down.

You say this because of an article written by nobody journalists who work for the Sun?

I didn't see anyone else mention Giggs for the job recently.

homerjay2005

Giggs as next manager stories just won't go away will they?

It really does give off the feeling of a divided board,lacking leadership which is ripping apart the club right from the top down.

[Deleted User]

Quandary wrote: »

What was on SSN this morning?

Jaysus we are josejumpy this morning!
I mean the report about yer wan!

Quandary

M!Ck^ wrote: »

In at 50!

I'm surprised at this stage that the club still hasn't said anything considering what's on SSN this morning.

What was on SSN this morning?

20 Times 20 Times

The silence speaks volumes!

[Deleted User]

In at 50!

I'm surprised at this stage that the club still hasn't said anything considering what's on SSN this morning.

Crimson King

As much as that is what happened with Jose after the 3 year window with Chelsea (twice), and Madrid it's been stated and I agree, that no manager could have survived without issues with those two teams, simply put even Fergie would have walked if he could not control his affairs without interference and that's simply not going to happen at those teams. United' board don't interfere and trust the manager, until he proves not up to it. The players became an issue for moyes, however all the powerful ones are gone except Rooney. It's set up nicley for him if he wants the job tbh

billyhead

gosplan wrote: »

No you're correct. It's probably a bad choice of phrasing on my part.

What I meant to say was that it appears that after three years when a Jose team needs some change or a shot in the arm, he can't quote manage it.

But that's what made Fergie so special.

Edit: just to be clear, I'm saying he would leave you in three years or so with a better squad, a trophy and a great home record.

If I was Man U chairman, I'd approach Poch and Simeone. If they say no, go with Jose and then go straight back to them saying 'we want you next'

I would also like to see them approach the Juve manager Allegri

gosplan

Giggsy11 wrote: »

I agree partially but to say he has never shown or capable or reinventing his own team is wrong. Chelsea team had his blueprint and that team played nearly for a decade with the same core team. Reinventing teams also depends on how badly it is needed.

For example he signed players like Robben, Drogba, Carvalho, Ferreira, Essien, Del Horno, Ballack, Cole who all played for years and played important part in winning titles.

For Inter he signed players like Eto'o, Milito, Sneijder, Lucio, Motta who played significant part in winning treble. Players like Sneijder and Milito were just amazing that season.

At Madrid he didn't need to make significant changes as they already spent so much and assembled quality squad. He then signed Ozil, Khedira, Di Maria, Varane, Modric.

At Chelsea, he signed Schurrle, Willian, Matic, Zouma, Fabregas, Costa, Remy and all these played played their part in winning the title. Most importantly Fabregas and Costa.

No need to reinvent when there is no need. For example, at Chelesa when he started he just can't sell Cech, Terry, Lampard, Duff just to reinvent team.

No you're correct. It's probably a bad choice of phrasing on my part.

What I meant to say was that it appears that after three years when a Jose team needs some change or a shot in the arm, he can't quote manage it.

But that's what made Fergie so special.

Edit: just to be clear, I'm saying he would leave you in three years or so with a better squad, a trophy and a great home record.

If I was Man U chairman, I'd approach Poch and Simeone. If they say no, go with Jose and then go straight back to them saying 'we want you next'

billyhead

Are you all nor jumping to conclusions to quickly saying he has the gig. You can't honestly take some oul biddy saying he is going to be our next manager at face value.

Giggsy11

gosplan wrote: »

Sorry, he has never shown himself capable of reinventing his own teams, because he's either failed at it, or moved on, or fallen out with everyone before he could.

I'm not making stuff up. Anyone will tell you it's unlikely that he'd be Man U after 4/5 years.

That's not a fiction.

I agree partially but to say he has never shown or capable or reinventing his own team is wrong. Chelsea team had his blueprint and that team played nearly for a decade with the same core team. Reinventing teams also depends on how badly it is needed.

For example he signed players like Robben, Drogba, Carvalho, Ferreira, Essien, Del Horno, Ballack, Cole who all played for years and played important part in winning titles.

For Inter he signed players like Eto'o, Milito, Sneijder, Lucio, Motta who played significant part in winning treble. Players like Sneijder and Milito were just amazing that season.

At Madrid he didn't need to make significant changes as they already spent so much and assembled quality squad. He then signed Ozil, Khedira, Di Maria, Varane, Modric.

At Chelsea, he signed Schurrle, Willian, Matic, Zouma, Fabregas, Costa, Remy and all these played played their part in winning the title. Most importantly Fabregas and Costa.

No need to reinvent when there is no need. For example, at Chelesa when he started he just can't sell Cech, Terry, Lampard, Duff just to reinvent team.

gosplan

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yeah, Jose has never shown any real ability to rebuild a successful team, it was one of the reasons why he was overlooked as he was seen as a short term appointment. Yes he may well bring success but Utd would be looking for another manager in 3 years.

Thankfully, they didn't go with him so we could waste 3 years, no trophies, continue to fall away, have no squad depth and have results like we have endured the last 3 years.

Much prefer that than having the whole ignoble ediface of Jose landing us the EPL or CL trophies

In terms of appointments it's a no-brainer.

He'll leave in 3 years but Utd will be in a much better place. Old Trafford will be a fortress again.

Leroy42

Yeah, Jose has never shown any real ability to rebuild a successful team, it was one of the reasons why he was overlooked as he was seen as a short term appointment. Yes he may well bring success but Utd would be looking for another manager in 3 years.

Thankfully, they didn't go with him so we could waste 3 years, no trophies, continue to fall away, have no squad depth and have results like we have endured the last 3 years.

Much prefer that than having the whole ignoble ediface of Jose landing us the EPL or CL trophies

glued

gosplan wrote: »

Sorry, he has never shown himself capable of reinventing his own teams, because he's either failed at it, or moved on, or fallen out with everyone before he could.

I'm not making stuff up. Anyone will tell you it's unlikely that he'd be Man U after 4/5 years.

That's not a fiction.

Going by his career to date that is very true. That's the main reason Sir Bobby and Fergie were against Mourinho being appointed as United manager.

Any manager that comes in will also have to constantly deal with ex-players who will continue to pine for Giggs and undermine the manager. It happened to Moyes and Van Gaal.

gosplan

jayo26 wrote: »

How do you know that he can't reinvent teams? He has never failed to rebuild a squad because he either moved on to a bigger job or wasn't given time.

Porto: left to join chelsea who wouldn't??

Chelsea: sacked harshly after winning alot of trophies but fell out with owner.

Inter: left to join madrid who wouldn't?

Madrid: sacked due to mainly player unrest need I say more..

Chelsea: sacked due to a very underperforming team probably due to his handling of the physio incident but again I agree with previous poster I think the chelsea dressing room is toxic has been for long time.

To say he can't rebuild a team is a bit wrong because really he has only been sacked once due to very poor results and there is alot more to that.

I wouldnt call jose the perfect Man for United but no point in making up stuff to try prove a point.

Sorry, he has never shown himself capable of reinventing his own teams, because he's either failed at it, or moved on, or fallen out with everyone before he could.

I'm not making stuff up. Anyone will tell you it's unlikely that he'd be Man U after 4/5 years.

That's not a fiction.

jayo26

gosplan wrote: »

Because he's left in year 3 in his last 5 jobs it would be unlikely???

That makes no sense.

He can't reinvent teams. He can go in, motivate the hell out if everyone, create the ultimate siege mentality and win stuff. But it runs out of steam.

Don't kid yourself that it will be different.

How do you know that he can't reinvent teams? He has never failed to rebuild a squad because he either moved on to a bigger job or wasn't given time.

Porto: left to join chelsea who wouldn't??

Chelsea: sacked harshly after winning alot of trophies but fell out with owner.

Inter: left to join madrid who wouldn't?

Madrid: sacked due to mainly player unrest need I say more..

Chelsea: sacked due to a very underperforming team probably due to his handling of the physio incident but again I agree with previous poster I think the chelsea dressing room is toxic has been for long time.

To say he can't rebuild a team is a bit wrong because really he has only been sacked once due to very poor results and there is alot more to that.

I wouldnt call jose the perfect Man for United but no point in making up stuff to try prove a point.

gosplan

Pheonix10 wrote: »

I don't buy into all of this he wins a title and then it all goes to **** in year three. I know it has happened before but doesn't mean it is definitely going to happen again. It may but it would be unlikely IMO. More likely that he just isn't successful and we move onto the next manager.

Because he's left in year 3 in his last 5 jobs it would be unlikely???

That makes no sense.

He can't reinvent teams. He can go in, motivate the hell out if everyone, create the ultimate siege mentality and win stuff. But it runs out of steam.

Don't kid yourself that it will be different.

Crimson King

Considering how fcucked up Chelsea and Madrid are I think it's unfair to assume anyone can survive more than 3 seasons there without politics (both player power and boardroom level) effecting them. I have always thought it just unlucky everyone has this perception of Jose because the 3 times he did leave clubs under a cloud were those two messed up clubs. Porto and inter he left a hero under his own terms, he left beside the clubs were not big enough for his ambition. That won't happen at United because simply put there are only two clubs as big, one of them is Madrid and the other would never hire him.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

I don't buy into all of this he wins a title and then it all goes to **** in year three. I know it has happened before but doesn't mean it is definitely going to happen again. It may but it would be unlikely IMO. More likely that he just isn't successful and we move onto the next manager.