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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note Post #2331

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  • #9242
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    That is one of the things I don't get.
    I can understand why they would need to offer massive wages but I don't get why the transfer fees need to be far bigger than 'usual'. If UNited would, for example, accept 30million from PSG for him, why would a Chinese club need to offer loads more? Why do they need to offer 25million + for average players?

    I asked this question in the China/Football thread. The only thing I can think of is that they're deliberately paying over the odds in order to make a statement, which I find to be absolutely mental.


  • #9243
    Coat22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Coat22


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    That is one of the things I don't get.
    I can understand why they would need to offer massive wages but I don't get why the transfer fees need to be far bigger than 'usual'. If UNited would, for example, accept 30million from PSG for him, why would a Chinese club need to offer loads more? Why do they need to offer 25million + for average players?

    I'd say they need to pay such huge fees to get the UEFA clubs interested. Strategically the last thing any of the big European clubs need is another competitor with huge resources in Asia - imagine if the potential damage it could do to the PL or La Liga if suddenly all the best players could go somewhere other than Spain or England? They want to retain the status quo as it is but with the figures being bandied about if you have a spare Wayne Rooney lying around why not make the most of him.

    Woodward said last week "it opens up another market for players to be sold into" - Rooney was the first player I thought of when he said it


  • #9244
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,001 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Am I right saying the game is on at like 6 o clock tonight?


  • #9245
    ronjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    I would get Zlatan on a yearly contract and send Rooney off to China, give Martial another couple of seasons without the weight of being main striker to develop

    Is it realistic that Zlatan would go to United if you dont get Champions league?


  • #9246
    Manutd_4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Manutd_4life


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Am I right saying the game is on at like 6 o clock tonight?

    yup 6 o clock kick off


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  • #9247
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    ronjo wrote: »
    Is it realistic that Zlatan would go to United if you dont get Champions league?

    I don't think Pep or Wenger would want him so that leaves only two teams that could pay his wages and both won't have CL football next season


  • #9248
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,001 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    ronjo wrote: »
    Is it realistic that Zlatan would go to United if you dont get Champions league?

    CJy7U2rWoAAx2pk.jpg


  • #9249
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Canadel wrote: »
    He's certainly not miles better. Anyway, I don't know why you are so desperate to compare how good the two were at that age. Welbeck has been excellent since then, even if his scoring record hasn't reflected it, and he is improving on that and will continue to do so as his confidence grows at Arsenal.

    The conversation, which you started, was about which player was the more exciting prospect at United. It would be hard to evaluate that without comparing how good the two of them were at the same age.


  • #9250
    ronjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    I don't think Pep or Wenger would want him so that leaves only two teams that could pay his wages and both won't have CL football next season

    Fair point on that....... Would love to see him at Arsenal for a year but cant see it happening at all.

    Zlatan and Vardy could be an interesting front line for Leicester. :)


  • #9251
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    For those who are keen on the idea of Pochettino for next manager, here's an interesting article about him from Jonathan Wilson at the Guardian.

    I found this bit particularly interesting:
    "Brad Friedel said that in two decades of football he’d never worked with a coach who placed such an emphasis on conditioning as Pochettino."

    I know the appointment would come with more risk than Mourinho, but he would still be my number one choice of those who might be getable.


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  • #9252
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,162 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Pro. F wrote: »
    For those who are keen on the idea of Pochettino for next manager, here's an interesting article about him from Jonathan Wilson at the Guardian.

    I found this bit particularly interesting:
    "Brad Friedel said that in two decades of football he’d never worked with a coach who placed such an emphasis on conditioning as Pochettino."

    I know the appointment would come with more risk than Mourinho, but he would still be my number one choice of those who might be getable.

    If you were to exclused Mourinho for all the reasons that have been spoken about and debated, then Pochetino would be my first choice after him.

    People will point to him having not won anything - but it is very tough for a manager outside the top few sides to win something, so it isn't something I pay much attention to myself.

    For me - the criteria are:

    Proven track record of improving sides
    Proven track record of achieving goals.
    Playing good football
    Developing young players (where they are available)

    Pochetino ticks all of those for me - more so than most coaches that I could actually name.

    A lot of talk coming from OT that he is a big target for United. I reckon you could forget about United ever getting Kane if we were to try get Pohetino off Tottenham though. Levy would would go insane!


  • #9253
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Pro. F wrote: »
    For those who are keen on the idea of Pochettino for next manager, here's an interesting article about him from Jonathan Wilson at the Guardian.

    I found this bit particularly interesting:
    "Brad Friedel said that in two decades of football he’d never worked with a coach who placed such an emphasis on conditioning as Pochettino."

    I know the appointment would come with more risk than Mourinho, but he would still be my number one choice of those who might be getable.

    Cheers, good read.


  • #9254
    fuzzydunlop85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭fuzzydunlop85


    Why would Pochettino leave Tottenham to come to United? It doesn't make any sense and is completely unrealistic.


  • #9255
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    If you were to exclused Mourinho for all the reasons that have been spoken about and debated, then Pochetino would be my first choice after him.

    People will point to him having not won anything - but it is very tough for a manager outside the top few sides to win something, so it isn't something I pay much attention to myself.

    For me - the criteria are:

    Proven track record of improving sides
    Proven track record of achieving goals.
    Playing good football
    Developing young players (where they are available)

    Pochetino ticks all of those for me - more so than most coaches that I could actually name.

    A lot of talk coming from OT that he is a big target for United. I reckon you could forget about United ever getting Kane if we were to try get Pohetino off Tottenham though. Levy would would go insane!

    Levy might be forced into a corner and have to sell kane, they are moving to a new stadium and funds have to come from somewhere, although I reckon they would be looking for 50m for Kane


  • #9256
    Emilio Chubby Llama
    Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Emilio Chubby Llama


    Pro. F wrote: »
    For those who are keen on the idea of Pochettino for next manager, here's an interesting article about him from Jonathan Wilson at the Guardian.

    I found this bit particularly interesting:
    "Brad Friedel said that in two decades of football he’d never worked with a coach who placed such an emphasis on conditioning as Pochettino."

    I know the appointment would come with more risk than Mourinho, but he would still be my number one choice of those who might be getable.

    Not my preferred choice, but a good read nonetheless.


  • #9257
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,001 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »
    Why would Pochettino leave Tottenham to come to United? It doesn't make any sense and is completely unrealistic.
    Lord TSC wrote: »
    CJy7U2rWoAAx2pk.jpg

    Getting my use out of the picture today :P


  • #9258
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,001 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    As for Poch, he'd be my second choice behind Jose.

    But it all boils down, for me, to needing a manager who brings us the best chance of immediate success, and the ability to attract big names without CL football. Thats Jose, imo. Poch feels more like the type of guy you'd appoint after a Jose type, to me.


  • #9259
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    I worry that Pochettino would get swallowed up by the challenge and expectation

    Even if I think he would make steady progress, with Pep, Wenger, Klopp and most likely Simeone in the league the competition will be insane and I feel like anyone other than Mourinho is destined to fail and then we are really in deep trouble. 3 failures in a row could do significant damage to the club.


  • #9260
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,162 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    bangkok wrote: »
    Levy might be forced into a corner and have to sell kane, they are moving to a new stadium and funds have to come from somewhere, although I reckon they would be looking for 50m for Kane
    Isn't their owner MEGA rich? new tv deal probably helps too and I would guess they'll get a pretty penny off the NFL for whatever games are played there. Might also be hoping an NFL franchise kicks off in London, at their ground (which has been built with that in mind, iirc) so i would guess they won't be selling off their best to fund the stadium.


  • #9261
    beno619
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭beno619


    fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »
    Why would Pochettino leave Tottenham to come to United? It doesn't make any sense and is completely unrealistic.

    At the end of the day Spurs are Spurs, Leicester will be facing a similar scenario when there squad is picked apart this summer.


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  • #9262
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »
    Why would Pochettino leave Tottenham to come to United? It doesn't make any sense and is completely unrealistic.

    Is that a joke?

    "We'd like to offer you the biggest job in football and trucks full of cash, what do you say?"

    "Nah, I've got the Spurs job. Thanks though."

    It doesn't make any sense and is completely unrealistic.


  • #9263
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,162 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Is that a joke?

    "We'd like to offer you the biggest job in football and trucks full of cash, what do you say?"

    "Nah, I've got the Spurs job. Thanks though."

    It doesn't make any sense and is completely unrealistic.
    No but you see Tottenham are currently ahead of us in the table, unlike every other year in the premiership, which means Tottenham is now, and forever, the bigger and better job.


  • #9264
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »
    Why would Pochettino leave Tottenham to come to United? It doesn't make any sense and is completely unrealistic.

    United could pay him more than Spurs and give him more money to spend on players. He might be happy to stay at Spurs, or he might not, but it is very realistic to think that United would have a decent chance of poaching Spurs' manager.


  • #9265
    Emilio Chubby Llama
    Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Emilio Chubby Llama


    https://twitter.com/SemperFiUnited/status/700150957963784196


  • #9266
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,530 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I be delighted with Spurs manager. It will be interesting to see if Spurs can last pace till end of season or the pressing game catches up with them.

    EVENFLOW



  • #9267
    Emilio Chubby Llama
    Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Emilio Chubby Llama


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    I be delighted with Spurs manager. It will be interesting to see if Spurs can last pace till end of season or the pressing game catches up with them.

    Back to Pro Fs post, if conditioning is the highest priority on his training regime then I don't foresee any reason they should suffer from fatigue in this case.

    I would consider him in my top 3 if he actually wins the PL.


  • #9268
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,530 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    M!Ck^ wrote: »
    Back to Pro Fs post, if conditioning is the highest priority on his training regime then I don't foresee any reason they should suffer from fatigue in this case.

    I would consider him in my top 3 if he actually wins the PL.

    I actually take a punt on him before Jose, but would not say no to Mourinho.

    EVENFLOW



  • #9269
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Match thread, 6pm kickoff. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=98772856#post98772856


  • #9270
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    6pm :( That's lousy. Gonna miss it.


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  • #9271
    aperture_nuig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭aperture_nuig


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    6pm :( That's lousy. Gonna miss it.
    Might be better off.


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