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Funding of Public service broadcasting after the election ?

  • 16-01-2016 05:15PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭


    I wonder will the next government bring in the household broadcasting charge or increase the existing tv license ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭brick man


    I wonder will the next government bring in the household broadcasting charge or increase the existing tv license ?


    There is no need at present to increase the fee but the problem is there is 15 to 20 % of households not paying which is a fair bit of money . I think they will bring in the charge as it is only a replacement but it will depend who is minister and have government got a majority as all politics is local


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The Broadcasting Charge could be implemented at a lower rate than the current licence fee by taking into account the scroungers who do not pay and by avoiding the collection fee charged by An Post.

    Current licence fee = €160.

    Collection fee = 5%

    Defaulters = 20%.

    Net fee = €160 + .95 = €152.

    If 100% pay, fee required to get the same revenue = €152 * 0.8 = €121.06 or €10 per month.

    If a small fee/tax was put on each text message (like 0.1c), it would raise a significant amount of money that could be thrown into the pot to help with cultural content and non-broadcast media. Likewise if a small fee was put on any broadband connection, say over 10 mb/s, like €10 per year, that would also raise money to cover non-broadcast media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,252 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    I wonder will the next government bring in the household broadcasting charge or increase the existing tv license ?

    First port of call will be their respective party manifestos.

    Thread here on the government parties respective manifestos from 2011.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Re Nua what to scrap the Licence fee and provide the DSP subvention to the licence fee (circa €56m) to a fund for TV/Radio Production (As such the BAI's Sound and Vision Fund). Under this plan RTÉ would receive no licence except through this fund which is open to all other broadcasters. They suggest its cost neutral but they have failed to take into consideration a number of other activates currently supported by the licence fee.

    The Social Democrats want to set up a new Digital Department within RTÉ to bring Irish Film, Drama, arts and culture to a wider audience.

    Neither are big on detail.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Re Nua appear to want to put RTE into political hock, just as Ray Burke tried.

    We do not want to go back to copy anything done by Ray Burke.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Burke_(Irish_politician)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Re Nua appear to be only thinking about their profit making private investors.

    With no thought to the fact that RTE support a 100% free to air service.
    And good employment.
    A company owned by the citizens of the State.

    RTE also support culture programmes, music and drama.
    The support for our national language.
    Both TV and radio.
    Much of which is at a cost.

    Something needs to be done about the TV licence or possibly household broadcasting charge.
    It's unfair so many people get away with not paying.
    Either abolish the TV licence and support our State broadcasting from the general taxisation or introduce a universal broadcasting tax/levy on households.

    At the moment the TV licence costs me 13.33 per month direct debit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Re Nua appear to want to put RTE into political hock, just as Ray Burke tried.

    We do not want to go back to copy anything done by Ray Burke.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Burke_(Irish_politician)
    Add your reply here.

    I hope these days are gone, but I fear not!!


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Elmo wrote: »
    Re Nua what to scrap the Licence fee and provide the DSP subvention to the licence fee (circa €56m) to a fund for TV/Radio Production (As such the BAI's Sound and Vision Fund). Under this plan RTÉ would receive no licence except through this fund which is open to all other broadcasters. They suggest its cost neutral but they have failed to take into consideration a number of other activates currently supported by the licence fee.

    That was done in New Zealand and led to the situation where TVNZ became just another commercial broadcaster, which just happened to be owned by the Government. They've realised their mistake, I think, but the damage is done and is too late to undo. I'm not sure even TV3 want RTE to turn into another TV3.

    Can I ask people to be extremely careful discussing named individuals. Ideally don't. It is very easy to expose Boards (and yourself) to a claim when you do so. I don't care whether facts are "public knowledge" or not, it's one thing for them to be "public knowledge" and another thing to have to prove them in Court. Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    icdg wrote: »
    That was done in New Zealand and led to the situation where TVNZ became just another commercial broadcaster, which just happened to be owned by the Government. They've realised their mistake, I think, but the damage is done and is too late to undo. I'm not sure even TV3 want RTE to turn into another TV3.

    It looks like ReNua are not replacing the licence from exchequer funding. Seems they just want 56m from DSP to go to the sound &a vision fund.

    NZOA gets nz$132 m
    While NZSO gets nz$15m
    While Te Māngai Pāho the Maori NZOA gets nz$54m (this includes a direct fund to Maori TV)
    Up to 2007 NZRadio Concert (lyric fm)was funded by the government entirely, not sure how they fund it now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    If a small fee/tax was put on each text message (like 0.1c), it would raise a significant amount of money that could be thrown into the pot to help with cultural content and non-broadcast media. Likewise if a small fee was put on any broadband connection, say over 10 mb/s, like €10 per year, that would also raise money to cover non-broadcast media.

    Easier way of doing it would be to place the "Broadcasting/Communications Charge" on to the telecommunications sector. The market share of Vodafone, Eir, Sky, 3 and Virgin and other smaller companies would determined their liability towards €200million in funding.

    The level of liability would be determined by ComReg
    The BAI would determine increases and decreases and would issue the fee to RTÉ, TG4 and the Sound and Vision Fund
    No ministerial involvement

    E.g. if the 5 main telecoms companies have an 80% of the telecomminications market they would be liable for 160m or just 32m each on average. (Virgin revenue is at 360m per year).

    Transparency at the end of the year a Broadcasting/Communications Charge" statement would be issue by your telecoms provider showing how much you paid into the fund. ComReg and CPCC must insure that such fees are not incorporated into bill (no increases in charges).

    The current ARPU for a mobile pre-pay phone is €15, while post-pay is €35 in 2015.

    This would mean a pre-pay phone would pay €10.80 per year
    and a post-pay phone would pay €25.20 per year

    based on the value of the telecommunications income of ~€3billion in 2015 with 6 - 7% (this is variable depending on value) going to the new fund or €200m (this is static, with ComReg and BAI issuing a decision each year on increases or decreases), also TG4 Grant-in-aid could be dropped completely as could the DSP's subvention to the fee.

    Also this would be a fair-ish tax, meaning everyone pays in but it is really a fee paid by their Telecoms provider. Businesses would pay based on their use of telecommunications and even children with a pre-pay phone would be included. While at the end of the year everyone would see how much they paid to the fund, courtesy of their telecoms provider.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Elmo wrote: »
    Easier way of doing it would be to place the "Broadcasting/Communications Charge" on to the telecommunications sector. The market share of Eir, Sky, 3 and Virgin and other smaller companies would determined their liability towards €200million in funding.

    Vodafone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Mr Sea Wolf


    Elmo wrote: »

    It's no wonder that they have only a 1% approval rating in the polls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    FF want to move away from the Licence fee and move to a different method of payment, while any extra money should go towards PSBing on local independent radio stations, they say Community but really mean independent commercial services.

    Like the others it lacks details.

    I know a manifesto is a wide document but surely each spokesperson should be able to launch something relating to each department to expand the manifestos. All very late in the day!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    FG: abolish broadcasting levy, allow BAI regulate all advertising minutes, get the CPCC to carry out a review of competition in the market to be published this year and to make Pay TV providers pay Irish channels for rights.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Labour: news PSB fee to replace license & a CSPAN type Oirectas TV service!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Mr Sea Wolf


    Elmo wrote: »
    Labour: news PSB fee to replace license

    Promised five years ago but never delivered, instead they decided to waste 54 million on Eir code


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Elmo wrote: »
    FG: abolish broadcasting levy, allow BAI regulate all advertising minutes, get the CPCC to carry out a review of competition in the market to be published this year and to make Pay TV providers pay Irish channels for rights.

    They have also omitted the proposed broadcasting charge, with the Business Post reading it as meaning the charge is as good as abandoned (if it wasn't already).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    icdg wrote: »
    They have also omitted the proposed broadcasting charge, with the Business Post reading it as meaning the charge is as good as abandoned (if it wasn't already).

    Basically government wouldn't introduce because of water charges and LPT issues.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,791 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Elmo wrote: »
    Basically government wouldn't introduce because of water charges and LPT issues.
    €220m was collected for TV licenses vs just half that for water.

    As someone who's paid more on TV licenses than on TV's and Satellite receivers over the years it really gets my goat that I'm paying AnPost royally for the privilege of subsidising so many free loaders.

    It would be interesting to see how many water protesters have unlicensed TVs.



    Also how much does the gubbermint make from the spectrum freed up by TV going digital ??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Who is going to be Minister of Communications now while Alex White had lost his seat in the election earlier tonight.

    Any options for replacement out there will be welcome after March 10th.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Mr Sea Wolf


    With the limbo of a result in the GE, I'd imagine the tv licence is here to stay the way it is for the foreseeable future


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,879 ✭✭✭Delta2113


    Alex White is still the Minister -seat or no seat unfortunately.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The last changes in broadcasting policy took place during the interregnum last time. Pat Carey nobbled RTE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The last changes in broadcasting policy took place during the interregnum last time. Pat Carey nobbled RTE.

    No it was just before the election. At least he made a decision. Pat Rabbitte nobbled RTÉ by putting their proposal to move RTÉjr on the long finger.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Elmo wrote: »
    No it was just before the election. At least he made a decision. Pat Rabbitte nobbled RTÉ by putting their proposal to move RTÉjr on the long finger.

    He was only Minister for a wet week - not sure when the decision was published, but I think it was his last day in office.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    He was only Minister for a wet week - not sure when the decision was published, but I think it was his last day in office.

    How long was the next proposal from from RTÉ sit on Pat Rabbittes desk. Can you imagine how long pat Rabbitte would have take not to make a decision on RTÉ's proposal just to launch, News Now, jr and +1? IMO Saorview would have launched with none of them or "trials"

    Carey made it a few days before the election, he was minister for a month, I am not defending that decision but at least it was a decision. IMO RTÉ withdrew the RTÉjr proposal due to political pressure.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    RTE was treated disgracefully by both the FF and FG governments. Both hate their 'leftie' leanings and would love to cut them off at the knees.

    When was the last increase in the Licence fee - in fact - how much of the not-increased licence fee was given away to other broadcasters?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Denis Naughten is now Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources.

    My bad Department of Climate Change, Communications and Natural Resources.


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  • Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Won't be happening anytime soon according to the IT. The minister has said it should not proceed at this time.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/plans-for-new-broadcasting-charge-switched-off-1.2673697


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