Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

jester77 · 15-02-2016 10:04AM

greendom wrote: »

Completely different situations though. Absolutely no pressure on Ranieri. No one expected Leicester to be there and he is just enjoying the ride. Compare that to the pressure Wenger, LVG and Co are put under every week.

Ranierei can afford to be magnanimous. The others don't have that luxury.

That, plus they have the luxury of a 2 week break to get their heads clear, no other competitions to distract and a very nice run of games until the end of the season compared to the other teams challenging. They are in a great position. Their toughest games come at the end of the season, and with the way everyone else is playing they may be in position where they don't need to win them.

tayto lover · 15-02-2016 10:10AM

Lads look at the penalty we were denied and then look at the penalty Spurs were awarded in their game????

Referees ????

Hyzepher · 15-02-2016 10:25AM

jester77 wrote: »

That, plus they have the luxury of a 2 week break to get their heads clear, no other competitions to distract and a very nice run of games until the end of the season compared to the other teams challenging. They are in a great position. Their toughest games come at the end of the season, and with the way everyone else is playing they may be in position where they don't need to win them.

Looking at their fixtures, I'd say that 6 of their last 7 are very tough. They could drop points in all of them. And Spurs fixtures aren't any better.

It's all to play for and I'd say 78 points will win it.

JustTheOne · 15-02-2016 11:36AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Lads look at the penalty we were denied and then look at the penalty Spurs were awarded in their game????

Referees ????

I know every team says it but we really do get screwed by referees.

If we lost yesterday I would be furious.

Hopefully we don't have another performance that could cost us valuable points in the title race.

Henry can go and do one too.

Saying what vardy did was right and totally ignored the foul on ozil leading up to the goal.

Oh Jamie yes I agree with everything you say.

astonaidan · 15-02-2016 01:49PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I know every team says it but we really do get screwed by referees.

If we lost yesterday I would be furious.

Hopefully we don't have another performance that could cost us valuable points in the title race.

Henry can go and do one too.

Saying what vardy did was right and totally ignored the foul on ozil leading up to the goal.

Oh Jamie yes I agree with everything you say.

Vardy did nothing wrong, stupid to think otherwise, Ive seen that happen loads of time with your lads, he had no calling on the idiotic call by the ref on the other end

Mr.Micro · 15-02-2016 01:55PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I know every team says it but we really do get screwed by referees.

If we lost yesterday I would be furious.

Hopefully we don't have another performance that could cost us valuable points in the title race.

Henry can go and do one too.

Saying what vardy did was right and totally ignored the foul on ozil leading up to the goal.

Oh Jamie yes I agree with everything you say.

IMO it was never a peno for Vardy. He ran right into Monreal rather than chase the ball going in a completely different direction. Rotten. It was never a penalty for Spurs. It's stuff like this that is deciding the outcome of the title, not pure honesty and ability of teams. I know it's difficult for referees, but I do believe that a referee has to be certain to give a peno. The above two examples were not certain. Not good enough.

Hyzepher · 15-02-2016 01:57PM

I do remember a young Robert Pires doing the exact same thing to get a penalty a few years ago.

It happens and you're delighted when you get them and furious when it happens to you - part of football now I'm afraid to say

Ol' Donie · 15-02-2016 02:04PM

Lads, I wish I could get all irate about Vardy diving - any opportunity, really - but it was a stonewaller.

Several bad decisions in the game, but it's hard to blame the ref for that.

JustTheOne · 15-02-2016 02:04PM

Hyzepher wrote: »

I do remember a young Robert Pires doing the exact same thing to get a penalty a few years ago.

It happens and you're delighted when you get them and furious when it happens to you - part of football now I'm afraid to say

Yes but I'd rather not see it in football and pundits saying if you feel contact you should go down only encourages it.

JustTheOne · 15-02-2016 02:05PM

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Lads, I wish I could get all irate about Vardy diving - any opportunity, really - but it was a stonewaller.

Several bad decisions in the game, but it's hard to blame the ref for that.

Never a penalty.

He runs into Monreals leg on purpose.

15-02-2016 02:14PM

I just hate the term 'won a penalty'. It's like you should be 'rewarded' from trying to 'win a penalty'.

Really, it should purely be viewed as a defender being penalised for foul play.

gosplan · 15-02-2016 02:27PM

Hyzepher wrote: »

Looking at their fixtures, I'd say that 6 of their last 7 are very tough. They could drop points in all of them. And Spurs fixtures aren't any better.

It's all to play for and I'd say 78 points will win it.

A big problem Leicester will have now is that people will play for a draw against them.

Arghus · 15-02-2016 03:05PM

I can't really blame Vardy for chancing his arm in that situation, there isn't a single player on the Arsenal team that I wouldn't expect to do the exact same in the circumstances. It was a lazy challenge from Monreal anyway, no real tackle, just sticking the leg out and hoping for the best; if you make decisions like that in or around the box you're asking for trouble. He arguably got away with it again in the second half. That's what would worry me more about the future.

It's up to the ref to give it, and he has to make a split second decision. In real time, I thought it was a penalty myself so I can contain my frustration that it was given.

There's an element of the luck of the green with penaltys anyway, that works both ways. Koscielny's "tackle" on Fabregas during the second half of the most recent Chelsea match springs to mind. That was an absolute stonewaller of a penalty, but no-one, myself included, was too upset when justice wasn't done.

gosplan · 15-02-2016 03:20PM

Arghus wrote: »

I can't really blame Vardy for chancing his arm in that situation, there isn't a single player on the Arsenal team that I wouldn't expect to do the exact same in the circumstances. It was a lazy challenge from Monreal anyway, no real tackle, just sticking the leg out and hoping for the best; if you make decisions like that in or around the box you're asking for trouble. He arguably got away with it again in the second half. That's what would worry me more about the future.

It's up to the ref to give it, and he has to make a split second decision. In real time, I thought it was a penalty myself so I can contain my frustration that it was given.

There's an element of the luck of the green with penaltys anyway, that works both ways. Koscielny's "tackle" on Fabregas during the second half of the most recent Chelsea match springs to mind. That was an absolute stonewaller of a penalty, but no-one, myself included, was too upset when justice wasn't done.

I was more in disbelief with regard to the foul on Ozil. Yeah Monreal could have done better and the foul was a bit before the penalty but it was a counterattack that absolutely shouldn't have happened.

Penno itself wasn't too bad a call tbh.

Similarly with the Simpson red. The first yellow was a bit harsh but once that was given he had to not drag Giroud back.

Mr Blobby · 15-02-2016 03:36PM

From the refs position is was a tough call to make. They only have split seconds to decide decisions like these.
That be said... It still wasn't a peno and it's clear as day Vardy dived. People saying its a stone wall peno are just simple wrong.

wawaman · 15-02-2016 04:09PM

Mr Blobby wrote: »

From the refs position is was a tough call to make. They only have split seconds to decide decisions like these.
That be said... It still wasn't a peno and it's clear as day Vardy dived. People saying its a stone wall peno are just simple wrong.

As much as it annoyed me at the time, i think the one thing we can say is Vardy didnt dive. A dive suggests there was no contact. There WAS contact, its just that it was initiated by Vardy and not Monreal

Arghus · 15-02-2016 04:09PM

gosplan wrote: »

I was more in disbelief with regard to the foul on Ozil. Yeah Monreal could have done better and the foul was a bit before the penalty but it was a counterattack that absolutely shouldn't have happened.

Penno itself wasn't too bad a call tbh.

Similarly with the Simpson red. The first yellow was a bit harsh but once that was given he had to not drag Giroud back.

How that foul on Ozil wasn't given is a complete mystery.

Despite how I kinda defended Vardy in that earlier post, I did find it a bit amazing how it was just taken a cast-iron fact on bbc last night that he was dead right, with no space for debate. I think if his name was Juan Vardy or Vardinho there'd be at least one dissenting voice, "not a penalty, for me". It did feel a bit hypocritical, even though I can partly understand the bbc giving Vardy a bit of a soft time. They are a media organisation after all. Their goal is to probably work with him to produce a Wayne Rooney style pr documentary puff piece, just in time for the Euros, showing us his old haunts and how much his life has changed since he became a national treasure, "This is a casino. I used to gamble here and abuse ethnic minorities. Simpler times".

Somewhat connected: I couldn't get over some of Danny Murphy's "analysis" on MOTD last night. Man's an absolute clown. The only problem he seemed to have with Drinkwater's potential leg-breaker on Ramsey, was that Ramsey had the effrontery to roll on the ground, "that's what I don't like to see".... WHAT? It's laughable how much they bend over backwards to say nice things about good English boys, even if that means oftentimes calling a spade a pitchfork. What a joke. He even defended that dirtbag tackle, "It's just mis-timed. I did that a few times in my career, leaving your leg straight. It's to protect yourself"... So what's the lesson here: It's sound to go in with the potential to send your opponent's bone splintering through his socks, like confetti at a wedding; just as long as he doesn't act like a girl about it afterwards?

Mr Blobby · 15-02-2016 04:22PM

wawaman wrote: »

As much as it annoyed me at the time, i think the one thing we can say is Vardy didnt dive. A dive suggests there was no contact. There WAS contact, its just that it was initiated by Vardy and not Monreal

So you could technically say he dived into Monreal :pac:

ronjo · 15-02-2016 04:30PM

Any word on the injuries to Kos and Gabriel?

MonsterCookie · 15-02-2016 04:44PM

United will be well up for us next weekend. Hope our lads are too. Let's hope we can do them at OT. Taking 6 points off them would be huge.

COYG!!!

Nemeses2050 · 15-02-2016 05:01PM

Arghus wrote: »

How that foul on Ozil wasn't given is a complete mystery.

Despite how I kinda defended Vardy in that earlier post, I did find it a bit amazing how it was just taken a cast-iron fact on bbc last night that he was dead right, with no space for debate. I think if his name was Juan Vardy or Vardinho there'd be at least one dissenting voice, "not a penalty, for me". It did feel a bit hypocritical, even though I can partly understand the bbc giving Vardy a bit of a soft time. They are a media organisation after all. Their goal is to probably work with him to produce a Wayne Rooney style pr documentary puff piece, just in time for the Euros, showing us his old haunts and how much his life has changed since he became a national treasure, "This is a casino. I used to gamble here and abuse ethnic minorities. Simpler times".

Somewhat connected: I couldn't get over some of Danny Murphy's "analysis" on MOTD last night. Man's an absolute clown. The only problem he seemed to have with Drinkwater's potential leg-breaker on Ramsey, was that Ramsey had the effrontery to roll on the ground, "that's what I don't like to see".... WHAT? It's laughable how much they bend over backwards to say nice things about good English boys, even if that means oftentimes calling a spade a pitchfork. What a joke. He even defended that dirtbag tackle, "It's just mis-timed. I did that a few times in my career, leaving your leg straight. It's to protect yourself"... So what's the lesson here: It's sound to go in with the potential to send your opponent's bone splintering through his socks, like confetti at a wedding; just as long as he doesn't act like a girl about it afterwards?

They would have repeatedly played the replays in slow-mo to confirm there was no contact and he dived with a caption "We don't like to see this in the league and it's a foreign thing"...

Ken Shamrock · 15-02-2016 05:02PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

United will be well up for us next weekend. Hope our lads are too. Let's hope we can do them at OT. Taking 6 points off them would be huge.

COYG!!!

Small matter of Hull and Barcelona before hand...

DarraghF197 · 15-02-2016 05:41PM

ronjo wrote: »

Any word on the injuries to Kos and Gabriel?

Gabriel reported to be out for two weeks. I doubt Koscielny is out, just picked up a knock it seems.

tayto lover · 15-02-2016 05:57PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

United will be well up for us next weekend. Hope our lads are too. Let's hope we can do them at OT. Taking 6 points off them would be huge.

COYG!!!

There's a rumour that Mourinho might be in charge of United for our game.
Doubt it myself but the rumour is going around.

bad2dabone · 15-02-2016 07:03PM

tayto lover wrote: »

There's a rumour that Mourinho might be in charge of United for our game.
Doubt it myself but the rumour is going around.

Would be typical for that worm to be putting a spanner in our works.
C'mon Louis!

omega man · 15-02-2016 07:06PM

tayto lover wrote: »

There's a rumour that Mourinho might be in charge of United for our game.
Doubt it myself but the rumour is going around.

Please no. Would make it all the sweeter to win but.........the alternative doesn't bare thinking about so I won't.

Ol' Donie · 15-02-2016 07:14PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

United will be well up for us next weekend. Hope our lads are too. Let's hope we can do them at OT. Taking 6 points off them would be huge.

COYG!!!

Can't wait to have another crack at them.

15-02-2016 07:18PM

gosplan wrote: »

I was more in disbelief with regard to the foul on Ozil. Yeah Monreal could have done better and the foul was a bit before the penalty but it was a counterattack that absolutely shouldn't have happened.

Penno itself wasn't too bad a call tbh.

Similarly with the Simpson red. The first yellow was a bit harsh but once that was given he had to not drag Giroud back.

First yellow wasn't remotely harsh. He actually had a yellow worthy foul in the first half too. Second yellow was borderline enough, he tugged him but it wasn't the completely obvious tugback you see on counter attacks. Peno itself was unlucky for the ref but I've zero sympathy because he missed the ridiculous foul on Ozil in the build up. Ref in the Spurs game was worse though, flat out refused to book anyone. Pundits seem to think that's great as it helps the 'flow of the game', completely oblivious to the fact that it usually suits one team and City are awful culprits for consistent fouling.

Mr Blobby · 15-02-2016 08:03PM

Some interesting stuff from yesterday's game.

Here's a heatmap of our possession throughout the game -
You can see just how much we attacked down the left wing.

Another interesting one is our pass build up of the first goal. If you look Ozil isn't involved in one pass. Yet Sanchez seemned to pass to himself to start the move off :pac:

And finally my favorite moment of the game -

Arne_Saknussem · 15-02-2016 09:16PM

ronjo wrote: »

Any word on the injuries to Kos and Gabriel?

The stream i was watching the game on reported the Koscielny injury was a dead leg, so hopefully he should be ok for Barca/United.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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