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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #3872
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,780 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    No one grows quality silage around here

    No what I meant was are you short on silage or do cows need extra energy ?


  • #3873
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    whelan2 wrote: »
    No what I meant was are you short on silage or do cows need extra energy ?

    Sorry yes.
    Be a bit tight. If weather stays right though we'll get heifers out and cows out full time and should be okay.
    We're toying with the idea of buying 5 or 6 acres for next winter, so it's a way of trying it out toi


  • #3874
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Starch 17% protein 8-9
    DM be 2 wks coming back


  • #3875
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Starch 17% protein 8-9
    DM be 2 wks coming back

    See Dung


  • #3876
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Starch 17% protein 8-9
    DM be 2 wks coming back

    Did you say before you were in fodder beet country


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  • #3877
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    GG that's basically working out 20c/kg DM between the bit of waste etc, same price as maize meal, but without the flexibility of just blowing in a load when you need it. No matter what options I consider here for a decent winter diet it all solutions boil back to ditching as much of the winter milk as I can (esp with our limited winter surplus bonus), and keep it simple as possible during the winter.


  • #3878
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,780 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Just got my dairy herd performance report. Calving interva lof 384 days down from over 400 the previous year. Got 5 stars for that.


  • #3879
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    See Dung

    Lol.

    Absolutely!

    It's not worth the transport.


  • #3880
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Dawggone wrote: »

    It's not worth the transport.

    It's probably too late to get him to come and take it back.


  • #3881
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Starch 17% protein 8-9
    DM be 2 wks coming back

    Rubbish feed gg send it back


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  • #3882
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    freedominacup wrote: »
    It's probably too late to get him to come and take it back.

    That's a good point. A guy brought me a load of stoney beet once despite it being guaranteed Armer pulled. I rang him got no hop however when he arrived in May for his money I brought him to the haggard and told him to take it back.

    That cured that, I hate smart ass not straight people


  • #3883
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    I got maize before, same scenario. Has to be fed ALL that day or pitted quickly! Maize meal imo better option


  • #3884
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    I got maize before, same scenario. Has to be fed ALL that day or pitted quickly! Maize meal imo better option

    Crimp wheat with 25% maize meal. It's a wet feed and very good utilization. Can be bought for 165 tonne. Cheaper if you can make it yourself. Fantastic feed when balanced with the right protein. I find the cows milk great and hold conditions well.


  • #3885
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Out of interest what's a good dm/ha target / budget to use for moderately good silage only ground (no grazing)... and would it be much bigger with three cuts vs two?

    Will be for bales...


  • #3886
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    keep going wrote: »
    Did you say before you were in fodder beet country

    Dad got a load of dirty stuff one time full of stones and won't buy it since


  • #3887
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Ah feck is it that bad????

    What's considered good maize?


  • #3888
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    On the plus side I finished spreading urea at home today.
    30 units out every where.
    Few tracks in spots but nothing major


  • #3889
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Ah feck is it that bad????

    What's considered good maize?

    30 & 30.


  • #3890
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    freedominacup wrote: »
    30 & 30.

    Lord.

    That was just a rough 2 minute test. Only had sample in 30 minutes when he rang back. A for the yr he said was 17 to 24 starch and 8 protein

    The ground it was grown on wouldnt have got any dung or slurry would that make it any better?


  • #3891
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Lord.

    That was just a rough 2 minute test. Only had sample in 30 minutes when he rang back. A for the yr he said was 17 to 24 starch and 8 protein

    The ground it was grown on wouldnt have got any dung or slurry would that make it any better?

    Have a look in the silage results thread think there was a few maize results put up there. The lad I buy it off plasters the ground in pig slurry before ploughing. Always under plastic and a good sheltered warm site is important as well as proper fert.

    Edit to add protein is about right wouldn't get much above it, grass is the protein crop in this country


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  • #3892
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Lord.

    That was just a rough 2 minute test. Only had sample in 30 minutes when he rang back. A for the yr he said was 17 to 24 starch and 8 protein

    The ground it was grown on wouldnt have got any dung or slurry would that make it any better?

    All maize needs is heat.
    If it doesn't have enough available NPK it will totally drain the soil...

    The French say "head in the sun and toes in the water".

    When the temp goes into the 40's you can almost see it grow.


  • #3893
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Dawggone wrote:
    When the temp goes into the 40's you can almost see it grow.


    If that happens in Ireland you should jump bloody quick, cos the harvester is on fire.


  • #3894
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Dad got a load of dirty stuff one time full of stones and won't buy it since

    There's a guy near me takes out land and grows fodder beet for sale.
    He washes and chops it and delivers as well.
    He does this every year and the yard is filling up again as they were harvesting again today.
    Don't know what he charges but there seems to be a good demand for it.
    He's between you and me and drives a fastrac. If you were looking for fodder beet every year he might be worth a try.


  • #3895
    Mehaffey1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    Was asked a while back how much dairy farmers out in NZ were cutting costs back. Today L.I.C (Fonterra's A.I company) announced an almost 50% drop in profits down to $15 million from close to 30 last year.

    Was mainly from a drop in cow numbers and farmers pulling out from C.I.D.R and Offsync programmes. Their main competitors CRV Ambreed posting some good results on farm and poaching a few Fonterra suppliers.


  • #3896
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Mehaffey1 wrote: »
    Was asked a while back how much dairy farmers out in NZ were cutting costs back. Today L.I.C (Fonterra's A.I company) announced an almost 50% drop in profits down to $15 million from close to 30 last year.

    Was mainly from a drop in cow numbers and farmers pulling out from C.I.D.R and Offsync programmes. Their main competitors CRV Ambreed posting some good results on farm and poaching a few Fonterra suppliers.

    Would many farmers have use synchronised programmes cidr's etc on main herds or would it just have been on heifers.?


  • #3897
    Mehaffey1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    Milked out wrote: »
    Would many farmers have use synchronised programmes cidr's etc on main herds or would it just have been on heifers.?

    Most would've made a synchrononise list of good quality non cycling cows. Don't know anyone who has such a programme with heifers but know L.I.C have been starting to suggest it more and more over the years.

    Last season we had a very strange C.I.D.R situation where we had bought in cows for a discounted price on the basis that we CIDR'd and embryo transferred them from the previous owners cows and gave him back the calf.

    You know those nightmares that never seem to end? This idea was worse than those.


  • #3898
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Mehaffey1 wrote: »
    Most would've made a synchrononise list of good quality non cycling cows. Don't know anyone who has such a programme with heifers but know L.I.C have been starting to suggest it more and more over the years.

    Last season we had a very strange C.I.D.R situation where we had bought in cows for a discounted price on the basis that we CIDR'd and embryo transferred them from the previous owners cows and gave him back the calf.

    You know those nightmares that never seem to end? This idea was worse than those.

    I could imagine, too much messing there for my liking. Wondering would the fact that cows are synchronised give a higher fert figure than it would be naturally


  • #3899
    Mehaffey1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    Milked out wrote: »
    I could imagine, too much messing there for my liking. Wondering would the fact that cows are synchronised give a higher fert figure than it would be naturally

    As far as I'm aware is that they dont gain an improvement if they're synchronised. Technically CIDR'D cows are not meant to be included in your calculations for your mating season submission rate with L.I.C anyway.


  • #3900
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,780 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    On AI here, I mentioned it before PG are doing a sort of level pay system , were you can pay each month rather than a big lump over a few months, might help a few with the year thats in it


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  • #3901
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Grant for parlour came thru yesterday thank god, bit of pressure off that side anyway. Now if they would sort the yfs and national reserve. ....


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