Sticking it to murdering gangsters the Dunnes Stores way

KingBrian2 · 07-02-2016 10:38PM

Decriminalisation of drugs has already started. People in seriously distressed and desperate situations are allowed administer drugs with social workers assisting in programs designed to tackle the scourge of drug dealing. Unfortunately the drug market is very lucrative and sick people look to them for the drug instead of seeking help.

Sunnyisland · 07-02-2016 10:49PM

There is nothing going to happen, in another week this incident be all forgotten about and everyone will go back to the groundhog days of life,until the next incident where the media will go into another frenzy and demand this that and the other meanwhile N Korea just invaded the USA :-)

Ally Dick · 07-02-2016 10:55PM

What a strange idea OP. Next, you'll want them bombarded with a fiercely worded leafleting campaign

myshirt · 07-02-2016 11:03PM

I never heard a fella say 'Christ lads, I've a house full of drugs there and I just can't sell them'.

Drugs sell themselves guys, it ain't gonna work.

Hammer89 · 07-02-2016 11:39PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Yesterday we witnessed the disgraceful scenes of a gang of men (one in drag) armed with battlefield weapons opening up on a group of unarmed people who were attending a perfectly legal function among hundreds of perfectly law-abiding people, many of them children.

Let's not exaggerate. If they had opened fire on hundreds of civilians then there wouldn't have been one fatality, who was a gangster.

cowboyBuilder · 07-02-2016 11:43PM

5uspect wrote: »

Just decriminalise the ****ing stuff and cut their legs out from under them. I'm not going to start shooting up because heroine is legal.

This.

Legalise, Regulate, Tax it!!!

Make some money (maybe Irish Water can get in on it?) and put those cnuts out of business.

end of the road · 08-02-2016 12:28AM

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Or we could just let the scum kill each other off. The deceased knew what he was getting into.

allowing them to shoot each other isn't an option for many, very obvious reasons.

Fleawuss wrote: »

These drugs families have no support in any community. They are feared and hated in equal measure.
Re-open Portlaoise and intern them. Their communities would be the better for it.
After about 30 years see what they have to say for themselves. And the next gang that tries to replace them: same treatment.
In the meantime push ahead with controlled legalization and decriminalisation. The killers are gone, the trade is now s source of income, stoners still get stoned and Suoerman can keep his knickers on.

Note: all the usual arguments about rights and legalities belong to a different era. We need definitions of rights that allow for their removal when you wage war on your own community.

Internment is against ones human rights and is illegitimate. it goes against justice and all that it stands for. it belongs in dictatorial states. all the usual arguments about rights and legalities belong in the here and now. the only legitimate justice is . evidence gathered, the accused brought before a court and tried by a jury of his or her peers.
by the way i didn't know portlaoise closed, when did that happen?

Fr_Dougal · 08-02-2016 01:01AM

Ok, I'm in.

Going to pretend it's Lent again, no crystal meth for me this week.💉💉💉

KingBrian2 · 08-02-2016 01:52AM

The Gardaí would need serious hardware to take out some of these gangsters. Would the public be okay with UK style policing. The army is only used in weather emergencies. Our police need to be able to take on these drug dealers with the full support of the judiciary, the public and politicians.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 08-02-2016 02:11AM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Yesterday we witnessed the disgraceful scenes of a gang of men (one in drag) armed with battlefield weapons opening up on a group of unarmed people who were attending a perfectly legal function among hundreds of perfectly law-abiding people, many of them children.

What is to be done about thugs like this?

Some of our American cousins might be of the opinion that it would be much better all round if a few of the assembled people minding their own business had themselves been armed and they could have pulled out their pieces and had a party with the gangsters.

Without going into all those familiar and hackneyed arguments, let's just say that's not the Irish way.

As against that we have a largely unarmed police force (which is a good thing) but it does rather seem to suggest to the gangsters that they can do what they like because after all what is some greenhorn Garda just out of Templemore going to to do stop them armed with nothing but a baton and a walkie talkie?

Let's take a more traditional Irish approach: one made famous by the Dunnes Stores strikers more than 30 years ago. For those too young to remember this was when some shop assistants in Dunnes Stores refused to handle South African produce (mainly fruit) in protest at the nature of the Apartheid regime there.

Could we adopt a similar approach to drugs gangs? If only temporarily?

Just say no. For say a month. A week even. If we all went off dope, coke and ecstasy for a period of time we would really hurt these bastards where they don't like to be hurt. In the pockets. I say we but in reality I mean You Young People because I am in advanced middle age and have no wish to start indulging in drugs at this stage in my life.

I "dabbled" to a very small extent when I was a bit younger and never got too interested in the whole scene. Cocaine turns otherwise nice people into slobbering gibbering arseholes, dope and ectasy SERIOUSLY screw up your taste in music. And heroin is for losers. You take heroin, you're a screw up, not entitled to any sympathy and only a blight on anyone who gives you any.

I am not saying this from a "Drugs are bad for you, you shouldn't touch them" viewpoint. They ARE bad for you but if that's how you get your kicks, then off you go. This is from the point of view of making a statement about the world and indeed country we live in. Just like the Dunnes Stores strikers did all those years ago. These gangster bastards think they can do what they like to the point of treating an ordinary hotel full of ordinary people like a war zone.

Just say no. For a month. And urge your friends to say no as well. Indeed, treat your friends with the same contempt that your parent's generation treated their friends who watched South African rugby matches or bought Del Monte pineapples. Peer pressure. It works.

I'm not saying you shouldn't ever enjoy your chemical enhancement ever again. After all, I don't think the Dunnes Stores strikers did what they did because of their dislike of citrus fruit. It was the bastards that sold it to them they didn't like.

Boycott the bastards. What do you think?

The above is far too long for me to read. Can I have a shortened version, please.

Azalea · 08-02-2016 03:48AM

You dabbled yourself OP. Nothing wrong with you changing your outlook since then and expressing yourself accordingly, but you could be a bit less preachy imo.

Snickers Man · 08-02-2016 01:06PM

Nodin wrote: »

I wouldn't touch coke, never took E (may do at some stage before I croak, but am in no rush) and ethically source my herbal pastimes. You might better ask - given the example of prohibition - why many of these things are illegal, given the counterproductive effects of the ban.

I don't disagree with you. I think we should look at that whole legalisation issue. So many people don't think it's wrong and are unashamed about indulging in mind-altering substances.

But I just see the parallels between the Anti-Apartheid struggles before that regime fell and what to do about the crime issue today. What could a few shop assistants in Dunnes Stores do to bring down the regime? Not a lot, in the grand scheme of things but every little bit helped.

That's why I'm drawing a distinction between debating the whole use of recreational drugs per se and taking a small step towards putting these gangs in business. At the moment, if you imbibe in coke, ecstasy or marijuana (apart from the very few keen horticulturalists among you

) you are dealing with a bunch of criminals every bit as murderous as Apartheid South Africa.

Just say no. For a while. This does not affect your position of wanting to indulge in the same substances in the future.

RobbingBandit · 08-02-2016 01:13PM

Lights On wrote: »

I buy my weed, when I buy it which isn't too often anymore, off a mate who grows his own, not gangster affiliated. Do I have to boycott him too?

Rat him out and tell him he can stash his crop with you at the same time. Win Win for you.

Shurimgreat · 08-02-2016 01:36PM

Really can't see how decriminalising drugs would prevent any of this. Cigarettes are legal and yet there is a massive black market in cigarettes. The smuggling of drugs would continue in the blackmarket. In the normal market, the criminals would just open shops and import massive amounts of cocaine, heroin, etc all legally.

The whole point about making Class A drugs illegal is that they are seriously damaging to your health and well being and lead to huge societal issues. They are incredibly addictive, particularly heroin. The more freely available they are, the more problems occur. The focus on restricting the sale and supply of class A drugs is right.

Shurimgreat · 08-02-2016 01:40PM

No pharmaceutical companies would make any of these drugs by the way.

So Anto over-doses on heroin, what happens next? His family try to sue the manufacturers.

Posh lawyer gets addicted to cocaine, well he's going to sue them too.

Someone dies from MDMA, family go after the pharmaceutical companies, with government support.

Nope the manufacture of drugs would still remain with the same dodgy people who are doing it now, mixing it with all kinds of ingredients.

ohnonotgmail · 08-02-2016 01:44PM

end of the road wrote: »

allowing them to shoot each other isn't an option for many, very obvious reasons.

Internment is against ones human rights and is illegitimate. it goes against justice and all that it stands for. it belongs in dictatorial states. all the usual arguments about rights and legalities belong in the here and now. the only legitimate justice is . evidence gathered, the accused brought before a court and tried by a jury of his or her peers.
by the way i didn't know portlaoise closed, when did that happen?

i was with you up until that point. Special criminal court for this lot.

Nodin · 08-02-2016 02:05PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

I don't disagree with you. I think we should look at that whole legalisation issue. So many people don't think it's wrong and are unashamed about indulging in mind-altering substances.

But I just see the parallels between the Anti-Apartheid struggles before that regime fell and what to do about the crime issue today. What could a few shop assistants in Dunnes Stores do to bring down the regime? Not a lot, in the grand scheme of things but every little bit helped.

That's why I'm drawing a distinction between debating the whole use of recreational drugs per se and taking a small step towards putting these gangs in business. At the moment, if you imbibe in coke, ecstasy or marijuana (apart from the very few keen horticulturalists among you ) you are dealing with a bunch of criminals every bit as murderous as Apartheid South Africa.

Just say no. For a while. This does not affect your position of wanting to indulge in the same substances in the future.

....who we'd like to thank, on everyones behalf, for their efforts.

Snickers Man · 10-02-2016 04:38PM

Mannix Flynn strikes the right note on this. Apparently he told the Guardian recently
"the Dublin middle classes are to blame, especially those who snort their cocaine in their nightclubs, their golf clubs, their rugby clubs or at home among their friends. They are bigger consumers of drugs than the working class and the real ones fuelling the wealth of these career criminals, enriching these gangs.”

And he was echoing earlier comments by Michael McDowell who once said:

“If you do a line of cocaine in Foxrock you are personally responsible for the murder of somebody, say, in Coolock or Clondalkin or wherever.”

Both quoted in Loony Doolally's column in the Irish Times today.

As Flynn is running in my constituency I'll give him a vote for that.

ohnonotgmail · 10-02-2016 04:58PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Mannix Flynn strikes the right note on this. Apparently he told the Guardian recently
"the Dublin middle classes are to blame, especially those who snort their cocaine in their nightclubs, their golf clubs, their rugby clubs or at home among their friends. They are bigger consumers of drugs than the working class and the real ones fuelling the wealth of these career criminals, enriching these gangs.”

And he was echoing earlier comments by Michael McDowell who once said:

“If you do a line of cocaine in Foxrock you are personally responsible for the murder of somebody, say, in Coolock or Clondalkin or wherever.”

Both quoted in Loony Doolally's column in the Irish Times today.

As Flynn is running in my constituency I'll give him a vote for that.

and i'm sure he has excellent statistics to back that up.

PARlance · 10-02-2016 07:57PM

Just as well I've never done a few lines in Foxrock.... Couldn't live with that guilt.

colossus-x · 10-02-2016 09:40PM

Who knew 12 supermarket workers on the other side of the world played such a pivotal role in ending apartheid in SA.

Btw OP, I don't agree that gangland members believe they can do what they like because of a lack of armoury held by the law. Criminals inherently 'do what they like' , that's the problem.

colossus-x · 10-02-2016 09:40PM

Who knew 12 supermarket workers on the other side of the world played such a pivotal role in ending apartheid in SA.

Btw OP, I don't agree that gangland members believe they can do what they like because of a lack of armoury held by the law. Criminals inherently 'do what they like' , that's the problem.

Sticking it to murdering gangsters the Dunnes Stores way

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