Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

DoctaDee · 08-02-2016 06:21PM

Just wondering if anyone has watched either of the 2 Roscommon games so far and being struck how remarkably similar they are to Dublin in their general play. Their play in attack with strong ball carriers and supporting angled runners looks like something out of Jim Gavins book. I don't know how they'll fare as the season wears on but right now I'm rightly impressed - if I was to have a 2nd favourite team it would be Roscommon

seligehgit · 08-02-2016 07:45PM

Stoner wrote: »

You could also note that in our last qualifying soccer games , five Dublin soccer players started, one scot and two Englishmen. So out of 8 Irishmen 5 were from Dublin.

It's a fair point, I've nothing against mayo at all but when was the last time a Mayo man lined out for Ireland in soccer? I won't do the same for rugby because I know so little about it.

This was always the case though, once in the 70's when Dublin were all Ireland champions they fielded 11 Dublin players in the international soccer team. So that's not new

Huge parts of Dublin don't play any GAA.

My own area in north city centre more or less lost its club, joined up with a team 5KM up the road and the school has no hurling and little football in it anymore. The pitch we played on is gone too, sold for development.

If you don't believe me Mayomaffia I'll pm you more details.

The big advancement has been in hurling teams imo, the teams on the southside have grown significantly.

Also looking at our football teams. Largely its the same old clubs producing the players that were around years ago, there's four or five lads with fathers who won all Ireland's on the team. Rock, Brogan, McCaffery, McCarthy. Same old established clubs, same old schools. That's tradition. Every manager for Dublin I remember that won All Ireland's had one as a player and that's five different managers. I think four of the five were from Vincent's.

These new big areas do not have a tradition of GAA in them, many have no teams. No history of the game, no heros, that is essentially what the game was built on, your school, parish and area, many of the newer areas in Dublin have no identity.

There is an estate near me, 2200 housing units, no club, no pitch, Zero representation with the nearest clubs.

When we won the all Ireland in 1995 I think Dave Foran was on the squad, I could be wrong but I think he was the only player from tallaght on the team, that area at the time had more people in it than north side Dublin. That would be teams like Na Fianna, Vincent's, Ballymun Kickhams etc, Parnell's they are the same old clubs now. The tallaght lads had Carruth as a hero followed by our best soccer players of a generation Dunne, Keane, Duff.

There has been huge growth and some new lads coming in from the traditional south side clubs too. Dublin have a decent hurling team now.

We have advantages but saying we have 1.3 in the same way mayo have 100k is way off the mark. We have more people playing the game alright, we also have more country people and foreign people here too.
Where I grew up in Dublin in the 1980s
every direct neighbour I had was from the country, kildare, Kerry, Cork Letrim.

Throw in Cork , Meath, Cavan, Mayo Monaghan and that what I can remember from an estate with 50 houses, off hand that I knew of.

I spent lots of time in the West of Ireland growing up, I was lucky. Football was the only game in town and if you weren't from the area you were a blow in.

Counties like Meath and kildare get stick about population too, but a lot of the increase is into new areas with no tradition of GAA, it will take years for those counties to start to get players from these areas.

The finances should be looked at though.

But take Ballymun Kickhams as an example. A club set up by country men that wanted to play football.

It nearly went under a few years ago, nothing happening. Then some if the older lads from the area, Paddy Christie etc got the show back on the road. They have three starters on the team now. Had there been no tradition of the GAA there the club might have died.
Look back at the teams from the 1970s it's about 80% the same clubs and schools being represented.

We are lucky with our manager now too.
In 2013 Dublin beat Mayo by 1 point. Higgins the man mentioned as your most inspirational player was left marking an injured Dublin player, our full back thought it was still 2011 , our corner back had lumps knocked off him. Mayo's line and management messed up that day. They've messed up since against Kerry and in 2012 was there for them too, nothing to do with Dublin.
As you know I'm a big fan of the Mayo team, had you won in 2013 we wouldn't be posting here now, that's how close it is. In 2012 Donegal beat Mayo, Mayo have beaten them well twice since, the chances were there. IMO the leadership just didn't get it right.

Epic post Stoner,really eloquent and knowledgeable.Sure we always knew that!;)

Totally agree with the belief that until we find enough quality up front we shan't be winning any All Ireland.Not convinced we've unearthed enough this winter.. Having said that Diarmuid O Connor is quality and alongside his brother,Aidan O Shea and his younger brother Conor who has great potential there may be light at the end of the tunnel.

Stoner · 08-02-2016 08:57PM

seligehgit wrote:

Diarmuid O Connor is quality and alongside his brother,Aidan O Shea and his younger brother Conor who has great potential

Thanks seligehgit.

Diarmuid and Conor are flying alright.

Gael85 · 08-02-2016 09:01PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Foran did play with Davis. Emmets only had one adult junior team and kids teams - Niall Quinn played for them - so they were obviously picked up from schools although I think Ciaran's Da had connection to Annes so that was how he ended up there. Ciaran Whelan was another Greenhills lad who played with Dublin for a while (not THE Ciaran Whelan obviously :-) . Can't recall what club he was with, and a few locals were on 1983 ~All Ireland minor hurling final team but they played with Good Counsel in Drimnagh.

You could be thinking of Brian Whelan? Played with St James Gaels then transferred to Annes. Was a sub in 95 when Dublin won all ireland. Later played for Wicklow along with his brother David

Gael85 · 08-02-2016 09:05PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone has watched either of the 2 Roscommon games so far and being struck how remarkably similar they are to Dublin in their general play. Their play in attack with strong ball carriers and supporting angled runners looks like something out of Jim Gavins book. I don't know how they'll fare as the season wears on but right now I'm rightly impressed - if I was to have a 2nd favourite team it would be Roscommon

At least 9 or 10 players Roscommon players have played with DCU at some stage. Must have picked up a few pointers ☺

Gael85 · 08-02-2016 09:48PM

Stoner wrote: »

You could also note that in our last qualifying soccer games , five Dublin soccer players started, one scot and two Englishmen. So out of 8 Irishmen 5 were from Dublin.

It's a fair point, I've nothing against mayo at all but when was the last time a Mayo man lined out for Ireland in soccer? I won't do the same for rugby because I know so little about it.

This was always the case though, once in the 70's when Dublin were all Ireland champions they fielded 11 Dublin players in the international soccer team. So that's not new

Huge parts of Dublin don't play any GAA.

My own area in north city centre more or less lost its club, joined up with a team 5KM up the road and the school has no hurling and little football in it anymore. The pitch we played on is gone too, sold for development.

If you don't believe me Mayomaffia I'll pm you more details.

The big advancement has been in hurling teams imo, the teams on the southside have grown significantly.

Also looking at our football teams. Largely its the same old clubs producing the players that were around years ago, there's four or five lads with fathers who won all Ireland's on the team. Rock, Brogan, McCaffery, McCarthy. Same old established clubs, same old schools. That's tradition. Every manager for Dublin I remember that won All Ireland's had one as a player and that's five different managers. I think four of the five were from Vincent's.

These new big areas do not have a tradition of GAA in them, many have no teams. No history of the game, no heros, that is essentially what the game was built on, your school, parish and area, many of the newer areas in Dublin have no identity.

There is an estate near me, 2200 housing units, no club, no pitch, Zero representation with the nearest clubs.

When we won the all Ireland in 1995 I think Dave Foran was on the squad, I could be wrong but I think he was the only player from tallaght on the team, that area at the time had more people in it than north side Dublin. That would be teams like Na Fianna, Vincent's, Ballymun Kickhams etc, Parnell's they are the same old clubs now. The tallaght lads had Carruth as a hero followed by our best soccer players of a generation Dunne, Keane, Duff.

There has been huge growth and some new lads coming in from the traditional south side clubs too. Dublin have a decent hurling team now.

We have advantages but saying we have 1.3 in the same way mayo have 100k is way off the mark. We have more people playing the game alright, we also have more country people and foreign people here too.
Where I grew up in Dublin in the 1980s
every direct neighbour I had was from the country, kildare, Kerry, Cork Letrim.

Throw in Cork , Meath, Cavan, Mayo Monaghan and that what I can remember from an estate with 50 houses, off hand that I knew of.

I spent lots of time in the West of Ireland growing up, I was lucky. Football was the only game in town and if you weren't from the area you were a blow in.

Counties like Meath and kildare get stick about population too, but a lot of the increase is into new areas with no tradition of GAA, it will take years for those counties to start to get players from these areas.

The finances should be looked at though.

But take Ballymun Kickhams as an example. A club set up by country men that wanted to play football.

It nearly went under a few years ago, nothing happening. Then some if the older lads from the area, Paddy Christie etc got the show back on the road. They have three starters on the team now. Had there been no tradition of the GAA there the club might have died.
Look back at the teams from the 1970s it's about 80% the same clubs and schools being represented.

We are lucky with our manager now too.
In 2013 Dublin beat Mayo by 1 point. Higgins the man mentioned as your most inspirational player was left marking an injured Dublin player, our full back thought it was still 2011 , our corner back had lumps knocked off him. Mayo's line and management messed up that day. They've messed up since against Kerry and in 2012 was there for them too, nothing to do with Dublin.
As you know I'm a big fan of the Mayo team, had you won in 2013 we wouldn't be posting here now, that's how close it is. In 2012 Donegal beat Mayo, Mayo have beaten them well twice since, the chances were there. IMO the leadership just didn't get it right.

Think David Foran retired after 92/93. Paul Curran was only player from Tallaght that started final in 95. Tallaght west and Ballyfermot are also areas with huge populations who have no tradition of GAA

DoctaDee · 08-02-2016 11:14PM

Gael85 wrote: »

You could be thinking of Brian Whelan? Played with St James Gaels then transferred to Annes. Was a sub in 95 when Dublin won all ireland. Later played for Wicklow along with his brother David

Is that the Dave Whelan that worked with Pillar as a mind guru type fella I wonder?

Gael85 · 08-02-2016 11:55PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Is that the Dave Whelan that worked with Pillar as a mind guru type fella I wonder?

Yes that's the same David Whelan

DoctaDee · 09-02-2016 10:51AM

Cheers Gael you definitely know yer onions

Bonniedog · 09-02-2016 12:10PM

Gael85 wrote: »

You could be thinking of Brian Whelan? Played with St James Gaels then transferred to Annes. Was a sub in 95 when Dublin won all ireland. Later played for Wicklow along with his brother David

Yes. I knew I wasn't losing it altogether

Although I thought it had been David who played for Dublin?

Their da like Paul Bealin's da was from Wicklow but I didn't even know they had played with them.

There was some talent in Greenhills. Kerr the soccer manager lived there - might still do in fact - and was involved with Emmets and then James Gaels when they amalgamated. And we have an Olympic gold medallist around the corner in the Carruths

Gael85 · 09-02-2016 05:22PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Yes. I knew I wasn't losing it altogether

Although I thought it had been David who played for Dublin?

Their da like Paul Bealin's da was from Wicklow but I didn't even know they had played with them.

There was some talent in Greenhills. Kerr the soccer manager lived there - might still do in fact - and was involved with Emmets and then James Gaels when they amalgamated. And we have an Olympic gold medallist around the corner in the Carruths

Looked it up there David Whelan played with Dublin in 89. Brian Kerr was never involved with St James Gaels. I was playing when clubs amalgamated

BonnieSituation · 09-02-2016 06:34PM

Gael85 wrote: »

Think David Foran retired after 92/93. Paul Curran was only player from Tallaght that started final in 95. Tallaght west and Ballyfermot are also areas with huge populations who have no tradition of GAA

It was this lack of tradition that got me into playing GAA in 1992 with Liffey Gaels and subsequently Good Counsel and Ballyfermot De La Salle.

ProudDUB · 09-02-2016 08:47PM

corny wrote: »

Ha ha. Why do say that? I'm sure he's not overly enamoured with us when we beat Kerry but its hardly far fetched to say Dublin play an attractive brand of football that purists might appreciate.

He's hardly threatened by us either with 5 All Ireland medals and 5 All stars in his arse pocket.

Don't believe a word out of of any of the Kerry Media Mafia, especially if their last name is O'Se. Their propaganda mode will be set to Def Con five, for the next 8 months. We are the greatest thing since sliced bread, we play the game the way it should be played, there is nothing more beautiful to watch, when we are in full flight.... blah, blah, blah.....

When we have so much smoked blown up our arses, that we believe in all the hype....BOOM in they'll come and take us out in the semi finals, on their way to another handy win over Mayo in the final. (Preceded of course, by loads of "Shure we'll barely be able to keep it kicked out to the mighty Dubs/this is Mayo's year" guff beforehand.) That'll be their plan anyway. :rolleyes:

Tomas O'Se may say he likes watching us play. But he'd happily see Kerry park the bus and beat us 0-2 to 0-1, if it gets them any closer to winning Sam.

Only getting to reply now. Was still in Mayo. The hotel wifi was about as reliable as the Mayo forward line.

Stoner · 09-02-2016 09:13PM

But seriously Liffey Gaels aren't tallaght, we use to play them in the 15 acres in the park right beside our old club pitch in the hurling grounds. That's inner city Kilmainham, played them regularly in fact we use to get changed in our changing room and walk down the hill.

You know what I mean about Tallaght, the new part D24. Good Counsel is Drimagh no ? Dublin 12 not 24. Ballyfermot would be D10. It would be a fair statement that the county board missed a trick in the early days in D24.
I wouldn't have considered greenhills to be D24 tallaght either , I thought it was more walkinstown or it's own area, or maybe that's just my friends from there being snobby.

Were there big transfer fees involved with the moves Bonniestation? Players plus cash ? ï¿¼

Bonniedog · 09-02-2016 09:17PM

Gael85 wrote: »

Looked it up there David Whelan played with Dublin in 89. Brian Kerr was never involved with St James Gaels. I was playing when clubs amalgamated

He was definitely with Emmets. I met him around 1998 after an international and was sure he said he was still involved but I was very piseed

Never suggested Greenhills was Tallaght Stoner, but for various reasons quite a lot of players from area ended up with Tallaght clubs. Don't think there was any senior football team in D12 in 90s. Crumlin and Counsel were still senior hurling but football would have been second thought with them.

Greenhills comp had a good school team as well in 80s, don't think they have anything now.

salmocab · 09-02-2016 09:30PM

Stoner wrote: »

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I wouldn't have considered greenhills to be D24 tallaght either , I thought it was more walkinstown or it's own area, or maybe that's just my friends from there being snobby.
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Greenhills is D12 its generally thrown in with Walkinstown but really its its own area. It also produced a load of LOI players over the years and salmocab played a lot of very poor rugby very badly, really is phenomenal breeding ground for sport:D

salmocab · 09-02-2016 09:35PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Greenhills comp had a good school team as well in 80s, don't think they have anything now.

Comp has much smaller numbers now, don't know if they play football but they still have a soccer as I see their pitch gets marked regularly.

DoctaDee · 09-02-2016 09:54PM

So where does Perrystown fit into the jigsaw ... I remember playing Manortown Boys when I was with Tolka Rovers, and I remember playing Niall Quinn in Table Tennis in the community centre there ... but for the life of me can't remember a GAA team

salmocab · 09-02-2016 10:00PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

So where does Perrystown fit into the jigsaw ... I remember playing Manortown Boys when I was with Tolka Rovers, and I remember playing Niall Quinn in Table Tennis in the community centre there ... but for the life of me can't remember a GAA team

Perrystown is part of the parish, the community centre is in the field where Robert Emmets play and across the road from the field where Manortown United play, they share a clubhouse now behind the community centre but Im pretty sure its just dressing rooms.

Gael85 · 09-02-2016 10:08PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

He was definitely with Emmets. I met him around 1998 after an international and was sure he said he was still involved but I was very piseed

Never suggested Greenhills was Tallaght Stoner, but for various reasons quite a lot of players from area ended up with Tallaght clubs. Don't think there was any senior football team in D12 in 90s. Crumlin and Counsel were still senior hurling but football would have been second thought with them.

Greenhills comp had a good school team as well in 80s, don't think they have anything now.

St James Gaels were senior in the 90s up to around 2003. Made last 8 of senior of champ around 99.

Bonniedog · 09-02-2016 10:33PM

salmocab wrote: »

Greenhills is D12 its generally thrown in with Walkinstown but really its its own area. It also produced a load of LOI players over the years and salmocab played a lot of very poor rugby very badly, really is phenomenal breeding ground for sport:D

Buckley of Rovers was from Greenhills. Paul Brogan who was international underage goalkeeper played with UCD in the famous games against Everton in mid 80s. Think he might have played in England for while?

Paul Quirke the Olympian shot putter was in comp but think he lived in Perrystown. He was caught doping in the States

Comp got to All Ireland soccer schools final and won Dublin gaelic football one year. Hurling never really took off despite some good club players including Dubs in the school.

Funny story regarding rugby and the comp. When I was there we played among ourselves for a while and the sports teacher - chap called Cassidy from Fermanagh of all places who was mad into GAA and athletics - decided to enter team in Leinster Junior Cup. Application was turned down!

We were clearly not the right sort of chaps to be playing the rugger ...

salmocab · 09-02-2016 10:39PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

We were clearly not the right sort of chaps to be playing the rugger ...

I went to the comp and played rugby for 30 years so maybe Pat Cassidy just lied to ye. Greenhills is an odd aul area its really soccer mad but is so close to so many big GAA clubs, Judes And St Endas are only up the road as is Faughs, Crumlin is close too but Emmets never seem to have big numbers, maybe the bigger clubs are hovering up the players.

Bonniedog · 09-02-2016 10:53PM

salmocab wrote: »

I went to the comp and played rugby for 30 years so maybe Pat Cassidy just lied to ye. Greenhills is an odd aul area its really soccer mad but is so close to so many big GAA clubs, Judes And St Endas are only up the road as is Faughs, Crumlin is close too but Emmets never seem to have big numbers, maybe the bigger clubs are hovering up the players.

This was 1978/9. Nearly 40 years ago. Perhaps he lied but it sounded true at the time!

He was only teacher that showed any interest in sport that I recall. A lot of the teachers were mad as box of frogs, and dangerous some of them too!

I played with Emmets same time as Quinn was there. There was little interest in hurling - I remember playing I think a minor match where ages ranged between 13 and 18 with a few 20 year olds thrown in! A few of us ended up with Counsel then.

Gael85 · 09-02-2016 11:04PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

This was 1978/9. Nearly 40 years ago. Perhaps he lied but it sounded true at the time!

He was only teacher that showed any interest in sport that I recall. A lot of the teachers were mad as box of frogs, and dangerous some of them too!

I played with Emmets same time as Quinn was there. There was little interest in hurling - I remember playing I think a minor match where ages ranged between 13 and 18 with a few 20 year olds thrown in! A few of us ended up with Counsel then.

Was Greaser there in your time?I went to the comp too.

Cassidy was big into the running

DoctaDee · 09-02-2016 11:10PM

Barney Rock, Anto McCaul, Dermot Deasy, Mick Deegan, Ian Robertson, Gerry Hargan, John Kearns, James McCarthy, Conor McHugh & DoctaDee - St. Kevins CBS Ballygall

Bonniedog · 09-02-2016 11:11PM

Gael85 wrote: »

Was Greaser there in your time?I went to the comp too. Cassidy was big into the running

Greaser sort of rings a bell but can't put a name to him... or her

There was the Mouse, Killer O'Shea, Shakey McPhilips (who left Special Branch to become teacher, appropriately enough for the comp), Shaper Collinge, the Jellybean Jive, and Rashers who used to drink in the class room when he distracted us!

Mad fkn school.

Bonniedog · 09-02-2016 11:14PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Barney Rock, Anto McCaul, Dermot Deasy, Mick Deegan, Ian Robertson, Gerry Hargan, John Kearns, James McCarthy, Conor McHugh & DoctaDee - St. Kevins CBS Ballygall

We used to leave all our keys and money at home when we played in Finglas

DoctaDee · 09-02-2016 11:37PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

We used to leave all our keys and money at home when we played in Finglas

We had a lot of lads that would've minded them for ya !

Jaden · 10-02-2016 11:48AM

DoctaDee wrote: »

Barney Rock, Anto McCaul, Dermot Deasy, Mick Deegan, Ian Robertson, Gerry Hargan, John Kearns, James McCarthy, Conor McHugh & DoctaDee - St. Kevins CBS Ballygall

And Ger Brennan teaches there.

DoctaDee · 10-02-2016 12:26PM

Oh right .. for some reason I thought Ger Brennan was a teacher in St. Vincents Glasnevin. I also forgot Fran Ryder he was the PE teacher in Kevins at the time tho he was gone within a year of me getting there

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