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Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

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  • #692
    [Deleted User]
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    To be a fly on the wall in Beltons pub tonight...


  • #693
    Ally Dick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    Benteke wrote: »
    I heard they burst into his home and shot him, If that is the case then he had cameras in his home so I'm sure the gardai have video footage of what happened if they were working

    Are you sure he had cameras in the house ? What makes you think that ?


  • #694
    Benteke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Benteke


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    Are you sure he had cameras in the house ? What makes you think that ?

    I know people in the area, I got the info of them tonight and they told me he has cams in his house


  • #695
    Ally Dick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    I can see our wonderful gardai being really well equipped if ISIS ever kick off over here....


  • #696
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Read on twitter an attempt to burn the getaway vehicle failed,can see there being plenty of forensic evidence.


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  • #697
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,175 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    I can see our wonderful gardai being really well equipped if ISIS ever kick off over here....

    Great post there, I suppose the French police and GIGN did a better job in Pairs.

    You can't put armed police on every street in the country 24/7.
    A little reality needed.


  • #698
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,412 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    I can see our wonderful gardai being really well equipped if ISIS ever kick off over here....

    Did they catch you for something?
    All your posts seem to be hitting at them.


  • #699
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Would ye not think these guys would not be expecting an attack? Would they not go into hiding or arm themselves


  • #700
    trashcan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭trashcan


    BOHtox wrote: »
    These are highly trained criminal who have probably travelled to eastern Europe or South America for guerrila-style training. Beat cops would do very little. Also these criminals would deal with beat cops no problem.


    Expanding units like the detectives and the ERU may need to be done in the future. But beat cops would have done absolutely nothing, in terms of prevention.

    Meanwhile SF call to abolish the Special Criminal Court to deal with these criminals. Do we really want to go back to the day of juries being intimidated?

    I'm a bit sceptical of politicians falling over themselves today to promise more non jury courts. (Nice timing for the election as they try to outdo one another to be "tough on crime") Will it really make much difference. How many gangland figures have been convicted in non jury courts for all the gangland hits over the years ? You have to catch and charge people first remember. And what about witnesses ? Not having a Jury doesn't stop witnesses being intimidated and afraid to come forward.


  • #701
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    I can see our wonderful gardai being really well equipped if ISIS ever kick off over here....

    The Gardai are in no way to blame. The courts system is though.


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  • #702
    Ally Dick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Did they catch you for something?
    All your posts seem to be hitting at them.

    I think they're appalling. They're only good for whinging and crying about the cuts. What they're really sore about is the pension levy. They are on a work to rule now. They have no intention of upping their game


  • #703
    Mackas_view
    Closed Accounts Posts: 298 ✭✭Mackas_view


    Seriously how can the Gardai be taking such a rap here? Under equipped and under resourced. The problem is with the hierarchy not AGS. It's a disgrace the stick they take when it comes to this ****. Whatever about a young Guard throwing his weight around over a ticket or that but this is real **** where the Guards are doin their best. A bit of appreciation and respect now as you sit safe at your computer or smart phone.


  • #704
    PressRun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Even if they are caught and charged, how fearful are they actually going to be of the criminal justice system? People stand up in court and walk out the same day with a suspended sentence or they serve measly sentences and pick up where they left off as soon as they're released. Being "tough on crime" means actually handing down meaningful sentences and stopping this nonsense of people with multiple convictions running around with absolutely no intention of ever changing. The criminal justice system as it stands is a joke that no hardened criminal would be afraid of getting caught in.


  • #705
    Steppenwolfe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭Steppenwolfe


    Kerrydude1981 wrote: »
    Enda Kenny is calling in the Sons of Anarchy to sort this mess out

    Nah. He will have a big team working on this. They will be sparing no effort in finding a way to put the blame on Gerry Adams.


  • #706
    Ally Dick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    There was a meeting in a south Dublin pub on Saturday night to discuss the Kinavan gang retaliation over what happened on Friday. The gardai were aware of it. They should have swung by and arrested all concerned. Instead they were all free to go on a shooting spree tonight


  • #707
    tomwaterford
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    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Great post there, I suppose the French police and GIGN did a better job in Pairs.

    You can't put armed police on every street in the country 24/7.
    A little reality needed.

    But it wouldn't take a genius of a Garda to keep family members of those suspected of the hotel shooting under watch....esp since they made a big show and tell of all these armed checkpoints/patrols??


  • #708
    emmetlego
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭emmetlego


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    There was a meeting in a south Dublin pub on Saturday night to discuss the Kinavan gang retaliation over what happened on Friday. The gardai were aware of it. They should have swung by and arrested all concerned. Instead they were all free to go on a shooting spree tonight

    Aware of it after the fact, unfortunately... And so the papers said!


  • #709
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Mackas_view wrote: »
    Seriously how can the Gardai be taking such a rap here? Under equipped and under resourced. The problem is with the hierarchy not AGS. It's a disgrace the stick they take when it comes to this ****. Whatever about a young Guard throwing his weight around over a ticket or that but this is real **** where the Guards are doin their best. A bit of appreciation and respect now as you sit safe at your computer or smart phone.

    I don't think they're getting a "rap" here. It's one poster with an obvious axe to grind.


  • #710
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    I'm guessing your average on the beat Garda would be afraid of these gangsters, gards like most humans just was an easy ride, some low level criminals and what not. I don't think their sticks are gonna be much use against a gun, secondly gards would be easy enough to find at their homes. AGS aren't equipped enough to take on these well funded and pschopaticical gangsters.


  • #711
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    There was a meeting in a south Dublin pub on Saturday night to discuss the Kinavan gang retaliation over what happened on Friday. The gardai were aware of it. They should have swung by and arrested all concerned. Instead they were all free to go on a shooting spree tonight

    Arrest them on what charges? It's not fecking North Korea.

    Even if they did arrest them, which they clearly do at every opportunity given the hundreds of convictions they all seem to have, the fact is that the courts will have them out walking the streets again quicker than you can say scumbag three times.


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  • #712
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,412 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    I think they're appalling. They're only good for whinging and crying about the cuts. What they're really sore about is the pension levy. They are on a work to rule now. They have no intention of upping their game

    They have seized loads of drugs and guns in the last year according to the News and arrested people in the process. Millions of euros worth seized, money recovered and people arrested.
    Not too shabby at all.
    They are only as good as the information supplied by the public as i said earlier.


  • #713
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,783 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    There was a meeting in a south Dublin pub on Saturday night to discuss the Kinavan gang retaliation over what happened on Friday. The gardai were aware of it. They should have swung by and arrested all concerned. Instead they were all free to go on a shooting spree tonight

    How do you know this?
    Arrest them for what reason as well? Nothing illegal about meeting in a pub.

    Also, do you think the people in the pub go out and shoot people?


  • #714
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I'm guessing your average on the beat Garda would be afraid of these gangsters, gards like most humans just was an easy ride, some low level criminals and what not. I don't think their sticks are gonna be much use against a gun, secondly gards would be easy enough to find at their homes. AGS aren't equipped enough to take on these well funded and pschopaticical gangsters.

    As someone suggested the other day maybe bringing in highly trained personnel from outside he country with no family ties here would be an idea.

    Just brought to specifically target criminal gangs.


  • #715
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Jayop wrote: »
    Arrest them on what charges? It's not fecking North Korea.

    Even if they did arrest them, which they clearly do at every opportunity given the hundreds of convictions they all seem to have, the fact is that the courts will have them out walking the streets again quicker than you can say scumbag three times.
    Offenses againest the state....is updated for gang membership...little to evidence required


  • #716
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    There was a meeting in a south Dublin pub on Saturday night to discuss the Kinavan gang retaliation over what happened on Friday. The gardai were aware of it. They should have swung by and arrested all concerned. Instead they were all free to go on a shooting spree tonight

    Too busy protecting a water meter i'd say.


  • #717
    emmetlego
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭emmetlego


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Offenses againest the state....is updated for gang membership...little to evidence required

    Sounds a bit like internment in NI during the 70's. That worked out well


  • #718
    ThisRegard
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    Ally Dick wrote: »
    There was a meeting in a south Dublin pub on Saturday night to discuss the Kinavan gang retaliation over what happened on Friday. The gardai were aware of it. They should have swung by and arrested all concerned. Instead they were all free to go on a shooting spree tonight

    Unless prohibition was in force, what the hell do you think they could be arrested for?


  • #719
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    trashcan wrote: »
    I'm a bit sceptical of politicians falling over themselves today to promise more non jury courts. (Nice timing for the election as they try to outdo one another to be "tough on crime") Will it really make much difference. How many gangland figures have been convicted in non jury courts for all the gangland hits over the years ? You have to catch and charge people first remember. And what about witnesses ? Not having a Jury doesn't stop witnesses being intimidated and afraid to come forward.

    Its basically how they sorted limerick out.


  • #720
    Hitchens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    emmetlego wrote: »
    Sounds a bit like internment in NI during the 70's. That worked out well
    well it boosted the number of fluent Irish speakers better than we ever managed down here!


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  • #721
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    emmetlego wrote: »
    Sounds a bit like internment in NI during the 70's. That worked out well

    It's still operating in the south vs dissidents....all you need for conviction is the word of a senior gaurd (highly suspect IMO)


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