RTE cameraman attacked by Gardai

Collie D · 07-02-2016 12:42AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ye ****ing space aged bastard, ye

"Free State bastard" if you're quoting the video, actually. Although I think I prefer yours now I think of it.

And if you're not quoting the video that's just a bizarre post and I like it even more.

JRant · 07-02-2016 12:43AM

Collie D wrote: »

I genuinely hope you're not in any position of authority.

I don't think we need to worry about particular scenario here.

STB. · 07-02-2016 12:47AM

my friend wrote: »

Not necessary, it's the greenhorn camera 'men' whom need a briefing on the law and the public order act

The law applies to idiot camera 'men' too

camera boy learned a lesson today

The cameraman was just doing his job.

The Public Order Act wont save the over eager guard with his shiny new baton.

Eugene Norman · 07-02-2016 12:49AM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Now from that angle, it looks much worse, it doesn't look like the camera man is refusing to move back, the Garda is moving towards him and hitting him.

The gardai are advancing there though.

my friend · 07-02-2016 12:52AM

STB. wrote: »

The cameraman was just doing his job.

The Public Order Act wont save the over eager guard with his shiny new baton.

His work is irrelevant

He failed to comply with the instructions of a Garda public order unit

Do catch up

STB. · 07-02-2016 12:57AM

my friend wrote: »

His work is irrelevant

He failed to comply with the instructions of a Garda public order unit

Do catch up

Press freedom and the ability to do so without harassment and/or professional misconduct is most certainly relevant.

But I can see how that would be outside of the scope of understanding of someone of your limited intelligence.

JRant · 07-02-2016 01:03AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The gardai are advancing there though.

And the cameraman was retreating, ergo complying with the garda instructions.

Collie D · 07-02-2016 01:07AM

my friend wrote: »

His work is irrelevant

He failed to comply with the instructions of a Garda public order unit

Do catch up

You keep condescending to people but you still haven't showed me where a Guard can hit people for failing to comply...and that's even if he did fail to comply but for now we'll stick to first part...Is a Guard legally entitled to hit a person for failing to move?

Eugene Norman · 07-02-2016 01:10AM

Collie D wrote: »

You keep condescending to people but you still haven't showed me where a Guard can hit people for failing to comply...and that's even if he did fail to comply but for now we'll stick to first part...Is a Guard legally entitled to hit a person for failing to move?

If they are trying to push back a mob, yes.

Gatling · 07-02-2016 01:16AM

These 2 paragraphs in our consitution comes to mind

Freedom of peaceful assembly: Subject to "public order and morality", the right of citizens to peaceful assembly "without arms" is guaranteed by Article 40.6.1°. However, the Oireachtas is empowered to limit this right by law when a meeting may be "calculated to cause a breach of the peace or to be a danger or nuisance to the general public"; the Oireachtas is similarly empowered to limit this right in relation to meetings held "in the vicinity" of either House.

Freedom of association: Subject to "public order and morality", the right of citizens "to form associations and unions" is also guaranteed by Article 40.6.1°; however, the exercise of this right may be regulated by law "in the public interest".

Wright · 07-02-2016 01:20AM

mynamejeff wrote: »

it seems its a society where camera men know more about policing than the police though .......

I did not see any evidence of any cameraman trying to police, only doing his job.

Collie D · 07-02-2016 01:22AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

If they are trying to push back a mob, yes.

Pushing back a mob fair enough. Baton? Don't think so. Plus he was back from the cordon, the Guard broke the line. I will accept if people believe the cameraman was in the way or being a nuisance and had to move but I don't accept the force used was reasonable. Or that Guards can lash out unless justified - and in this case the Guard wasn't.

mynamejeff · 07-02-2016 01:34AM

Wright wrote: »

I did not see any evidence of any cameraman trying to police, only doing his job.

did he move when lawfully directed to do so ?

no

omerin · 07-02-2016 01:35AM

Thankfully the guardai aren't armed as it seems some of them have no discipline or common sense or maybe it's a power/authority issue that goes to their head

Gatling · 07-02-2016 01:44AM

omerin wrote: »

Thankfully the guardai aren't armed as it seems some of them have no discipline or common sense or maybe it's a power/authority issue that goes to their head

Some people believe the opposite and would happy to see Gardai Armed .

Sweetemotion · 07-02-2016 01:45AM

mynamejeff wrote: »

did he move when lawfully directed to do so ?

no

In the second video, it looks like he was.

Wright · 07-02-2016 01:54AM

mynamejeff wrote: »

did he move when lawfully directed to do so ?

no

How is that him policing? He wasn't trying to get anyone to do anything.

Gatling wrote: »

Some people believe the opposite and would happy to see Gardai Armed .

God forbid. I've met and known some decent gards, but typically they are class A plonkers.

STB. · 07-02-2016 02:03AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

In the second video, it looks like he was.

In the second video of post no 1, the RTE cameraman quite clearly has his back to the guard who whips across his camera.

Said Garda is quite cleary seen striking out indiscriminately on someone else but returning to strike the RTE cameraman who is holding a quite heavy broadcast camera on the legs, before goading the protestors to "come on", having told them to move back.

The nature of the attack on the RTE press cameraman was captured by a member of the public who was behind the gardai.

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/Cajf_GcWAAA6uxz.mp4

The garda in question is easily identified as he seems to be the only one with a badge number displayed on his hi-viz.

Dyr · 07-02-2016 02:05AM

Looking at the RTE video it another case of a garda losing the run of himself or just being a malicious bollix. The fact that those lads are supposed to be the unit trained for dealing with these situations isn't exactly a glowing testimony to their professionlisim

sdanseo · 07-02-2016 02:06AM

Gatling wrote: »

These 2 paragraphs in our consitution comes to mind

Freedom of peaceful assembly: Subject to "public order and morality", the right of citizens to peaceful assembly "without arms" is guaranteed by Article 40.6.1°. However, the Oireachtas is empowered to limit this right by law when a meeting may be "calculated to cause a breach of the peace or to be a danger or nuisance to the general public"; the Oireachtas is similarly empowered to limit this right in relation to meetings held "in the vicinity" of either House.

Freedom of association: Subject to "public order and morality", the right of citizens "to form associations and unions" is also guaranteed by Article 40.6.1°; however, the exercise of this right may be regulated by law "in the public interest".

I'm no constitutional lawyer, but I'd say one mob chasing another mob down North Earl Street is slightly outside the meaning of "peaceful assembly", wouldn't you?

STB. · 07-02-2016 02:09AM

Bambi wrote: »

Looking at the RTE video it another case of a garda losing the run of himself or just being a malicious bollix. The fact that those lads are supposed to be the unit trained for dealing with these situations isn't exactly a glowing testimony to their professionlisim

And that will be the mantra from HQ.

There are a lot of Gardai there that could do their job without resorting to that madness I saw. I have to say that the actions of that Garda could have started a riot, had his colleague not pulled him back.

I am sure these situations can be avoided.

Buffman · 07-02-2016 02:28AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_REls3JkxzQ

Here's a longer video from a good angle of the events around the incident being discussed. The camera man is first hit by G103 when he has his back to him at 2:15, and then as he is retreating backwards is further hit by G103 at 2:21.

While this is going on G103 is moving forwards hitting out at others, and actually stumbles at 2:25 trying to hit people. He is the only Garda on that side of the street using his baton.

At 2:30 G103 is pulled back by another Garda and retreats back to the line and is goading poeple to 'come on'.

Then it all calms down a bit.

sdanseo · 07-02-2016 02:44AM

Looking at that, there is a scuffle on the other side of the street and the entire line seems to push forward. Yeah, he does seem a bit overzealous compared to the rest of the line, and I would definitely agree with the benefit of all these camera angles and 20/20 hindsight that it probably would have been better to be calmer with the baton - but I'm not seeing anything unlawful of even necessarily unprofessional, and here's why:

Having a swipe at the crowd to move them back is par for the course in a situation like this. The situation is intense, the line is moving forward, Gardaí on the other side of the street appear to be having to defend themselves and we can't see or hear in enough detail what the people who were struck are doing. At the end of the day, if you don't want to be smacked in the legs with a baton, don't be goading a line of riot Gardaí.

The cameraman and many others were refusing to move back and generally making a nuisance of themselves and that makes them liable to being dispersed, physically if needs be.

Side note - the last person the Garda strikes - where he charges forward out of the line completely - seems to have been provoked off camera and the impact also occurs off camera. Hard to say whether or not something is justified when you can't see half of it.

STB. · 07-02-2016 02:56AM

sdanseo wrote: »

......but I'm not seeing anything unlawful of even necessarily unprofessional, and here's why:

The cameraman and many others were refusing to move back and generally making a nuisance of themselves and that makes them liable to being dispersed, physically if needs be.

The RTE cameraman in the red jacket arrives into the picture 20 seconds before be is struck from behind by a Garda, who then steps into him as he had moved back and strikes him again.

That is not keeping the peace or using force when necessary. The cameraman is not a protestor and is causing no harm.

B.A._Baracus · 07-02-2016 02:59AM

How come whenever there is a thread about the gardai so many members just jump at the chance to defend them?

I don't get it.
Members of the Gardai are just regular people underneath the uniform. Some good. Some complete wan*ers. Just like any job.

Now look at that complete wan*er of a Gardai (yes he is one) because he does start whacking people. But look at the other Gardai. It aint "all hell has broken loose" - No. It's that Gardai member in question hitting people.

However, got to love at 0:19 seconds in which he falls in formation then taunts someone to "come on" - (obviously trying to taunt some poor ejjit to come forward, then recieve 3 batons to the head at once and thrown in the back of the van and changed for his troubles)

But hey.... this is boards isnt it?

Gardai are lovely, lovely, people. Not one of them a rotten egg.

Iwasfrozen · 07-02-2016 03:06AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

How come whenever there is a thread about the gardai so many members just jump at the chance to defend them? I don't get it.
Members of the Gardai are just regular people underneath the uniform. Some good. Some complete wan*ers. Just like any job.

Now look at that complete wan*er of a Gardai (yes he is one) because he does start whacking people. But look at the other Gardai. It aint "all hell has broken loose" - No. It's that Gardai member in question hitting people.

However, got to love at 0:19 seconds in which he falls in formation then taunts someone to "come on" - (obviously trying to taunt some poor ejjit to come forward, then recieve 3 batons to the head at once and thrown in the back of the van and changed for his troubles)

But hey.... this is boards isnt it? Gardai are lovely, lovely, people. Not one of them a rotten egg.

The man was given a legitimate order to step back, an order the guards have a right to impose. The man ignored the order multiple times and the guard in question used physical force to impose compliance, that's the bottom line. No laws were broken had the cameraman did what he was told there wouldn't be a problem.

Some people never learn to respect authority and end up suffering their whole lives for it.

B.A._Baracus · 07-02-2016 03:10AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The man was given a legitimate order to step back, an order the guards have a right to impose. The man didn't step back and the guard used physical force to impose his order, that's the bottom line. No laws were broken had the cameraman did what he was told there wouldn't be a problem.

my fuc*ing god... you are one pro-gardai man.

I never mentioned the cameraman in my post one bit. I was talking about the people who the gardai member was swinging at. Reread my post.

You simply scanned my post, realised I was against your views and then quoted me!!!! Without actually taking the time to read or listen to what I was saying :pac:

sdanseo · 07-02-2016 03:14AM

STB. wrote: »

The RTE cameraman in the red jacket arrives into the picture 20 seconds before be is struck from behind by a Garda, who then steps into him as he had moved back and strikes him again.

That is not keeping the peace or using force when necessary. The cameraman is not a protestor and is causing no harm.

The cameraman is seen in that video to be making an absolute nuisance of himself, getting right into the scuffle and refusing to move back despite the shouting of Gardaí lawfully ordering him to.

Again - if you put yourself in that scenario, you deserve a whack of the baton. No two ways about that in my opinion.

Iwasfrozen · 07-02-2016 03:14AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

my fuc*ing god... you are one pro-gardai man.

I never mentioned the cameraman in my post one bit. I was talking about the people who the gardai member was swinging at. Reread my post.

You simply scanned my post, realised I was against your views and then quoted me!!!! Without actually taking the time to read or listen to what I was saying :pac:

Oh I read what you were saying, that guards who have a very tough job keeping violent republicans in line should tie one hand behind their back and let them shut down a protest.

karma_ · 07-02-2016 03:17AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Oh I read what you were saying, that guards who have a very tough job keeping violent republicans in line should tie one hand behind their back and let them shut down a protest.

The dark side coming out now iwf eh?

RTE cameraman attacked by Gardai

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