RTE cameraman attacked by Gardai

my friend · 06-02-2016 11:27PM

Collie D wrote: »

I fully quoted and bolded the piece I believed to be invalid. You said cameramen can be hit legally. I don't think Guards have a legal right to hit out like that - hardly reasonable force. So instead of getting personal and trying to speak down to me why don't you back it up?

Let's go again,

Camera man says: 'you can't hit cameras' 'camera' 'you can't hit cameras'

Garda hits camera man

Camera man = no special privileges

Follow Garda instructions

Repeatedly camera man was instructed to move back, he was acting as a buffer (perhaps unintentionally, perhaps not)

When you fail to follow repeated instructions from a member of an Garda Siochana they are entitled to use force

jimgoose · 06-02-2016 11:29PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Try it in Germany, or any other European state. When a guard orders you to leave you leave. These guys have a very difficult job to do.

Umm, yes I know. That's sort of the point!

JRant · 06-02-2016 11:32PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

show me where ? with a link or post or anything ?

Here in Ireland, where did you think I was talking about?

my friend · 06-02-2016 11:32PM

Extract from the Public Order Act

Read it.

Failure to comply with direction of member of Garda Síochána.

8.—(1) Where a member of the Garda Síochána finds a person in a public place and suspects, with reasonable cause, that such person—

(a) is or has been acting in a manner contrary to the provisions of section 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 or 9 , or

(b) without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, is acting in a manner which consists of loitering in a public place in circumstances, which may include the company of other persons, that give rise to a reasonable apprehension for the safety of persons or the safety of property or for the maintenance of the public peace,

the member may direct the person so suspected to do either or both of the following, that is to say:

(i) desist from acting in such a manner, and

(ii) leave immediately the vicinity of the place concerned in a peaceable or orderly manner.

(2) It shall be an offence for any person, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, to fail to comply with a direction given by a member of the Garda Síochána under this section.

(3) A person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

Gardai broke no laws today

jam_mac_jam · 06-02-2016 11:32PM

Amazed by the reaction here , whatever about a protester,hitting a camera man is quite sinister.

Regardless of what would happen in Texas or anywhere else. How is that an argument, oh in other countries they are much worse. I think in most cases the Gardai have a much better relationship with the public then in other countries because they don't usually react violently. I don't think Texas is something to admire.

I think in most other countries the police would have been a little better organised, riot gear, perhaps. They look like complete clowns gesturing to people to have a go. Completely unprofessional.

biko · 06-02-2016 11:34PM

Meh, it was nothing. He hit the camera, the camera man moved.
Someone's latte got spilled, hipsters turned on the police, some journo wrote a piece.
SSDD.

Luke92 · 06-02-2016 11:35PM

Running off the line his colleagues have established to hit people with a baton. The people were away from the main line. This guy was running at people assaulting them with a baton.

Any civilian would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

jimgoose · 06-02-2016 11:37PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Amazed by the reaction here , whatever about a protester,hitting a camera man is quite sinister.

Regardless of what would happen in Texas or anywhere else. How is that an argument, oh in other countries they are much worse. I think in most cases the Gardai have a much better relationship with the public then in other countries because they don't usually react violently. I don't think Texas is something to admire.

I think in most other countries the police would have been a little better organised, riot gear, perhaps. They look like complete clowns gesturing to people to have a go. Completely unprofessional.

In Texas the "gesture" is a .38 hollowpoint. And whether you admire it or not is neither here nor there.

Iwasfrozen · 06-02-2016 11:38PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Amazed by the reaction here , whatever about a protester,hitting a camera man is quite sinister.

Regardless of what would happen in Texas or anywhere else. How is that an argument, oh in other countries they are much worse. I think in most cases the Gardai have a much better relationship with the public then in other countries because they don't usually react violently. I don't think Texas is something to admire.

I think in most other countries the police would have been a little better organised, riot gear, perhaps. They look like complete clowns gesturing to people to have a go. Completely unprofessional.

The man ignored repeated nstruction. The guards have every right to enforce their instruction with violence. Being a cameraman does not or should not confer any special treatment.

Collie D · 06-02-2016 11:40PM

my friend wrote: »

Extract from the Public Order Act

Read it.

Failure to comply with direction of member of Garda Síochána.

8.—(1) Where a member of the Garda Síochána finds a person in a public place and suspects, with reasonable cause, that such person—

(a) is or has been acting in a manner contrary to the provisions of section 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 or 9 , or

(b) without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, is acting in a manner which consists of loitering in a public place in circumstances, which may include the company of other persons, that give rise to a reasonable apprehension for the safety of persons or the safety of property or for the maintenance of the public peace,

the member may direct the person so suspected to do either or both of the following, that is to say:

(i) desist from acting in such a manner, and

(ii) leave immediately the vicinity of the place concerned in a peaceable or orderly manner.

(2) It shall be an offence for any person, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, to fail to comply with a direction given by a member of the Garda Síochána under this section.

(3) A person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

Gardai broke no laws today

Where does it say he can swing his baton at him? Your last post mentions reasonable force. That isn't even mentioned in the extract above. If the cameraman failed to comply with a Garda order arrest him if necessary. At no point did the cameraman do anything to provoke the reaction he got - which isn't covered in that extract anyway.

Collie D · 06-02-2016 11:42PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The man ignored repeated nstruction. The guards have every right to enforce their instruction with violence. Being a cameraman does not or should not confer any special treatment.

No..they don't.

Sheep Lover · 06-02-2016 11:42PM

jimgoose wrote: »

In Texas the "gesture" is a .38 hollowpoint. And whether you admire it or not is neither here nor there.

You weirdly sound rather excited or impressed at that.. bit sick really, wanting to see peoples heads being blown to mush..

jam_mac_jam · 06-02-2016 11:43PM

jimgoose wrote: »

In Texas the "gesture" is a .38 hollowpoint. And whether you admire it or not is neither here nor there.

You clearly admire it anyway.

Luke92 · 06-02-2016 11:44PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The man ignored repeated nstruction. The guards have every right to enforce their instruction with violence. Being a cameraman does not or should not confer any special treatment.

He's atleast 5 feet away until the garda runs at him to strike him. He's definitely out of the way and not disobeying any garda direction.

damemcd · 06-02-2016 11:44PM

The guard clearly lost control and his cool, should not have hit the cameraman.They are trained not to lose control........ he clearly did.

jam_mac_jam · 06-02-2016 11:46PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The man ignored repeated nstruction. The guards have every right to enforce their instruction with violence. Being a cameraman does not or should not confer any special treatment.

Not if they are any good at their job. If they had shields they could have just pushed back and not looked so unprofessional and not in control of the situation.

jimgoose · 06-02-2016 11:46PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

You weirdly sound rather excited or impressed at that.. bit sick really, wanting to see people's head being blown to mush..

It is you who say it, not me. In most jurisdictions in the world, when a police officer issues an instruction you are expected to comply, fully, immediately and with minimal bullsh1t. Not here, though. And the Gardai rarely enough issue instructions like that. Except when they are occasionally called upon to physically confront unknown loo-lahs in the street.

Sheep Lover · 06-02-2016 11:47PM

jimgoose wrote: »

It is you who say it, not me. In most jurisdictions in the world, when a police officer issues an instruction you are expected to comply, fully, immediately and with minimal bullsh1t. Not here, though. And the Gardai rarely enough issue instructions like that. Except when they are occasionally called upon to physically confront unknown loo-lahs in the street.

What's it got to do with Texas or its ".38 hollowpoint gestures" though?

mynamejeff · 06-02-2016 11:47PM

Luke92 wrote: »

Running off the line his colleagues have established to hit people with a baton. The people were away from the main line. This guy was running at people assaulting them with a baton.

Any civilian would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

really ? think its time for you to back away from the computer luke

jimgoose · 06-02-2016 11:50PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

What's it got to do with Texas or its ".38 hollowpoint gestures" though?

When a police officer issues an instruction, you comply. If you do not comply, you are one of a) mentally ill b) a criminal c) as thick as bottled pigsh1t. Simple enough for you?

PowerToWait · 06-02-2016 11:53PM

Shoulda swung that Celtic scarf wearing piss ant around the street with it.

hatrickpatrick · 06-02-2016 11:56PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If a a situation is escalating the gardaí have the right to order protesters to leave the vicinity. If the gardaí are only allowed to step in after the protest has turned violent there would be a lot more injuries and damage to property.

I agree, but in Ireland they're too cautious, resulting in legitimate protests often getting kettled, shut down, or muted long before it's justifiable to do so.

hatrickpatrick · 06-02-2016 11:57PM

jimgoose wrote: »

When a police officer issues a lawful instruction, you comply. If you do not comply, you are one of a) mentally ill b) a criminal c) as thick as bottled pigsh1t. Simple enough for you?

FYP.
What needs to be debated is what should and should not qualify as a lawful instruction. The Gardai right now have far too much carte blanche.

Clandestine · 06-02-2016 11:57PM

Alright, so does anyone know how to report something from facebook to the guards?
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=913561958751080&id=912549568852319

Sheep Lover · 07-02-2016 12:00AM

jimgoose wrote: »

When a police officer issues an instruction, you comply. If you do not comply, you are one of a) mentally ill b) a criminal c) as thick as bottled pigsh1t. Simple enough for you?

So blast them in the head and let God sort them out? I like your thinking. Bit crude but effective.

In all seriousness, I think avoiding the American system of "gunz for all" is a must.

jimgoose · 07-02-2016 12:01AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

FYP.
What needs to be debated is what should and should not qualify as a lawful instruction. The Gardai right now have far too much carte blanche.

I can't figure out how the Gardai are so patient. Between the skangbangers, pro-anti-cismuslims and general-purpose loo-lahs, I'd prefer the army in charge at this stage.

my friend · 07-02-2016 12:01AM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

So blast them in the head and let God sort them out? I like your thinking. Bit crude but effective.

In all seriousness, I think avoiding the American system of "gunz for all" is a must.

Yeah in your utopia only Shinners should have guns ...

jimgoose · 07-02-2016 12:02AM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

So blast them in the head and let God sort them out? I like your thinking. Bit crude but effective.

In all seriousness, I think avoiding the American system of "gunz for all" is a must.

"gunz for all" is about the last thing I want.

jam_mac_jam · 07-02-2016 12:02AM

Clandestine wrote: »

Alright, so does anyone know how to report something from facebook to the guards?
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=913561958751080&id=912549568852319

Ring your local station? Its not complicated.

damemcd · 07-02-2016 12:03AM

Celtic scarf wearing piss head ....was actually Nigel heading to Kielys a day early to get a few heinos in roysh

RTE cameraman attacked by Gardai

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