Sooooo...turns out my new roommate is a flat earther.

Dyr · 27-01-2016 11:46AM

Can we deport flat earthers?

I'm hoping we don't breed any of these muppets locally but rather import them

27-01-2016 11:46AM

Bambi wrote: »

Can we deport flat earthers?

I'm hoping we don't breed any of these muppets locally but rather import them

Deport them to Australia or New zealand. About as far on the other side of the sphere as we can put them!

kneemos · 27-01-2016 11:46AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If only. But as SC says above - on a planet where the majority % think there is a god despite there being no actual basis for that claim - there is little hope that other minority nut jobs will ever die out completely.

At some point this video will be linked to as an example in the thread - so I might as well just get it out of the way now.

Annoying,but boobs.

andekwarhola · 27-01-2016 11:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why are they the only options?

They're not. Do you understand the concept of an example?

27-01-2016 11:53AM

andekwarhola wrote: »

They're not. Do you understand the concept of an example?

Why is it even a comment?
It attempts to legitimise her craziness.

I would rather live with the slob as opposed to a mass murderer, but that doesn't mean I would live with the slob anyway

Pat Mustard · 27-01-2016 11:55AM

Ancient assanauts could be a worthwhile topic of conversation with her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwGPuO6eyNc

FluffyMcCardy · 27-01-2016 11:56AM

I read somewhere that people like that often have an excess of dopamine in their brains. The effect of which is that it allows them to see patterns which do not exist. Add to that perhaps certain mental issues and no amount of rational discussion or explanation will change their minds. Particularly with all the nonsense available on the Internet.

Also do not allow her to watch the H2 channel. I love it for the entertainment value. It's all ancient aliens and conspiracies all discussed as if it was fact. But for the dopamine afflicted it would be like the six o'clock news.

27-01-2016 12:00PM

FluffyMcCardy wrote: »

I read somewhere that people like that often have an excess of dopamine in their brains. The effect of which is that it allows them to see patterns which do not exist. Add to that perhaps certain mental issues and no amount of rational discussion or explanation will change their minds. Particularly with all the nonsense available on the Internet.

Also do not allow her to watch the H2 channel. I love it for the entertainment value. It's all ancient aliens and conspiracies all discussed as if it was fact. But for the dopamine afflicted it would be like the six o'clock news.

If only we could explain away religion like that

Maximus Alexander · 27-01-2016 12:07PM

FluffyMcCardy wrote: »

Also do not allow her to watch the H2 channel. I love it for the entertainment value. It's all ancient aliens and conspiracies all discussed as if it was fact. But for the dopamine afflicted it would be like the six o'clock news.

Heh, I love watching that crap too. I don't know what it is about it, maybe it just makes me feel super smart. I always find it interesting how they do tend to put the truth in there, but almost as an aside. "Oh and some people, such as this Doctor of Archaeology, think that the etchings on the cave wall actually depict the harvest, rather than alien nuclear robots. We'll let her say one sentence and then switch back to Nutty McCrazyballs".

andekwarhola · 27-01-2016 12:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It attempts to legitimise her craziness.

Unless either flatmate predisposed to proselytizing (and thanks whoring by the looks of it), i'd define craziness as something that actually threatened me. I'd simply not take an interest in discussing her crazy beliefs.

Maybe we should agree to differ as I see from a cursory browse of your posts you seem to like the student attack-dog method of discourse where opinion is measured by the force of its expression, rather than the content.

27-01-2016 12:15PM

kneemos wrote: »

Annoying,but boobs.

If only I were so easily distracted. Alas for me the attractiveness of the bodily features is independent of what the person is saying. I appear to have this annoying ability to actually listen to someone without staring at their breasts. I know I know - what kind of man am I at all.

27-01-2016 12:16PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

Unless either flatmate predisposed to proselytizing (and thanks whoring by the looks of it), i'd define craziness as something that threatened it. I'd simply not take an interest in discussing her crazy beliefs.

Maybe we should agree to differ as I see from a cursory browse of your posts you seem to like the student attack-dog method of discourse where opinion is measured by the force of its expression, rather than the content.

Translate: I can not stand over anything I say so here is a deflecting attack on you instead.

27-01-2016 12:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If only I were so easily distracted. Alas for me the attractiveness of the bodily features is independent of what the person is saying. I appear to have this annoying ability to actually listen to someone without staring at their breasts. I know I know - what kind of man am I at all.

Disgusting:P

BBDBB · 27-01-2016 12:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If only I were so easily distracted. Alas for me the attractiveness of the bodily features is independent of what the person is saying. I appear to have this annoying ability to actually listen to someone without staring at their breasts. I know I know - what kind of man am I at all.

a distracted fondler perhaps?

RobbingBandit · 27-01-2016 12:20PM

Is she a crab people op. They're pretty big into the flat earth theory.

27-01-2016 12:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If only I were so easily distracted. Alas for me the attractiveness of the bodily features is independent of what the person is saying. I appear to have this annoying ability to actually listen to someone without staring at their breasts. I know I know - what kind of man am I at all.

Wait wait wait, some people can stare AND listen???

JohnnyChimpo · 27-01-2016 12:26PM

FluffyMcCardy wrote: »

I read somewhere that people like that often have an excess of dopamine in their brains. The effect of which is that it allows them to see patterns which do not exist. Add to that perhaps certain mental issues and no amount of rational discussion or explanation will change their minds. Particularly with all the nonsense available on the Internet.

Also do not allow her to watch the H2 channel. I love it for the entertainment value. It's all ancient aliens and conspiracies all discussed as if it was fact. But for the dopamine afflicted it would be like the six o'clock news.

The paper you're referring to can be read here

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3827581/

Deleted User wrote: »

If only we could explain away religion like that

we can.

Stealthfins · 27-01-2016 12:27PM

I's your flat mate looking at it from a 3d or 2d perspective ?
Maybe your living in a parallel universe,but sharing the same gaffe.

Live and let live or find your own place.

27-01-2016 12:29PM

JohnnyChimpo wrote: »

we can.

In time people will join us in the light of reason

dr.fuzzenstein · 27-01-2016 12:33PM

seamus wrote: »

Which makes it even worse considering that chiropractic is nonsense bullsh1t too.

Well, I take it over western medicine has to offer, i.e. painkillers, massage and surgery and if that doesn't work, crutches. Having suffered with horrendous backpain and crippling sciatica, I am very happy to have a chiropractor, an acupuncturist and a physical therapist in my family. Their nonsense bullsh*t has me painfree me up and walking (or cycling and running).

Even quackwatch can't condemn it fully:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chiroeval.html
Acupuncture might be your next target, but it worked for me on many occasions, so yes, I am a bit guilty myself, I use it, it works and I don't care if it's snakeoil (or not as some studies have suggested). Works great on jointpain if you ask me. She's also a herbalist. Is it all quackery and dangerous nonsense? I only have a study of one, but I haven't been to a doctor in over 10 years. The last time was simply to get a sick cert for my bad back. When was the last time I was at a doctor because I was sick? 1999 I think. But maybe I'm just freakishly healthy except the odd cold and a dodgy back.
I do draw the line at homeopathy, remote healing, angel and crystal therapy and so on. I'll do it if dragged along, at least it can't do any harm. It could do harm if people had very a very serious illness and tried angel therapy to get cured from cancer, that would be the main concern with many alternative therapies, but my acupuncturist is an complimentary therapist. She is trained to spot serious illness and will be the first person to say "go to a doctor/hospital NOW!".
But I Do have a serious gripe with flat earthers and people who believe the earth is hollow and filled with spaceships.

wally79 · 27-01-2016 12:34PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Both hokum! Don't you know were are a genetic experiment by aliens. I am being kept up to date on this stuff by my GF, she doesn't care that it is actually physically painful for me to listen to that sh*t. She doesn't believe Earth is flat, but she does believe Earth is hollow and filled with spaceships, the moon is a spaceship, there is an intergalactic war going on above our heads for the last 300 years, Obama is a lizard being, the US has a secret spaceprogram and no one has ever heard about it, there are Stargates buried around the planet and on top of that fairies, unicorns and sitting on top of it all the Arcturians
Her "proof" is that people have been told that stuff in visions or they have a psychic connection directly to those alien races. Funny how there is never any actual evidence, only crazy people who meditate alone at night and are "given" this knowledge.
Can someone please answer me this: How have we made it this far? How are insane people allowed out unsupervised? I just don't get it. Her main argument against me is "but you watch Star Trek! You should know about that stuff!". Yes I do. I know it's FICTION!!!
For anyone who know a flat earther or such like, please print out this handy diagram:

The sex must be great to put up with that.

Akrasia · 27-01-2016 12:39PM

Who stares these days? any one with a little bit of class looks a woman in the eye and only glances at her breasts whenever he thinks she's not looking

27-01-2016 12:39PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, I take it over western medicine has to offer, i.e. painkillers, massage and surgery and if that doesn't work, crutches. Having suffered with horrendous backpain and crippling sciatica, I am very happy to have a chiropractor, an acupuncturist and a physical therapist in my family. Their nonsense bullsh*t has me painfree me up and walking (or cycling and running).
Even quackwatch can't condemn it fully:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chiroeval.html
Acupuncture might be your next target, but it worked for me on many occasions, so yes, I am a bit guilty myself, I use it, it works and I don't care if it's snakeoil (or not as some studies have suggested). Works great on jointpain if you ask me. She's also a herbalist. Is it all quackery and dangerous nonsense? I only have a study of one, but I haven't been to a doctor in over 10 years. The last time was simply to get a sick cert for my bad back. When was the last time I was at a doctor because I was sick? 1999 I think. But maybe I'm just freakishly healthy except the odd cold and a dodgy back.
I do draw the line at homeopathy, remote healing, angel and crystal therapy and so on. I'll do it if dragged along, at least it can't do any harm. It could do harm if people had very a very serious illness and tried angel therapy to get cured from cancer, that would be the main concern with many alternative therapies, but my acupuncturist is an complimentary therapist. She is trained to spot serious illness and will be the first person to say "go to a doctor/hospital NOW!".
But I Do have a serious gripe with flat earthers and people who believe the earth is hollow and filled with spaceships.

From my previous study, the meta data disagrees with you. Happy to be shown otherwise mind but AFAIKR placebo effects score around the same

Maximus Alexander · 27-01-2016 12:40PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I only have a study of one, but I haven't been to a doctor in over 10 years. The last time was simply to get a sick cert for my bad back. When was the last time I was at a doctor because I was sick? 1999 I think.

I'm 30. I haven't been to a doctor since I got the flu when I was 16 and thought I was going to die. I haven't stuck any pins in myself though, my body just has this incredible capacity to heal trivial wounds and fight off viruses or infections on its own.

Now if someone had been sticking pins in me and calling it medicine, I might be inclined to think that the pins had been healing me rather than the 3 billion years of refinement that lead to my immune system.

dr.fuzzenstein · 27-01-2016 12:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

From my previous study, the meta data disagrees with you. Happy to be shown otherwise mind but AFAIKR placebo effects score around the same

Which one, acupuncture, chiropractic, herbs or physical therapy?

27-01-2016 12:56PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Which one, acupuncture, chiropractic, herbs or physical therapy?

The only meta data that I found in favour of acupuncture was Vickers et al and it was heavily criticised for its selection criteria.

Again it's been a while and my pub med subscription has lapsed but would like to know if there is more data presented recently.
Chiropractic I would not risk as it's unstandardised and not at all understood (or peer proven afaik) . There MAY be benefit but just not there yet for me.
Physical therapy, would prefer orthopaedic examination and physiotherapy.

Herbs???? With you there. Medicine investigated plants (still does), took the active compounds and uses that

endacl · 27-01-2016 12:59PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I'm 30. I haven't been to a doctor since I got the flu when I was 16 and thought I was going to die. I haven't stuck any pins in myself though, my body just has this incredible capacity to heal trivial wounds and fight off viruses or infections on its own.

Now if someone had been sticking pins in me and calling it medicine, I might be inclined to think that the pins had been healing me rather than the 3 billion years of refinement that lead to my immune system.

Think carefully. Do you remember scratching your head at all while you were ill? If so, that's probably what cured you. If a cold lasts longer than expected, it's because you've been scratching wrong.

Deffo.

seamus · 27-01-2016 01:17PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, I take it over western medicine has to offer, i.e. painkillers, massage and surgery and if that doesn't work, crutches. Having suffered with horrendous backpain and crippling sciatica, I am very happy to have a chiropractor, an acupuncturist and a physical therapist in my family. Their nonsense bullsh*t has me painfree me up and walking (or cycling and running).
Even quackwatch can't condemn it fully:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chiroeval.html
Acupuncture might be your next target, but it worked for me on many occasions, so yes, I am a bit guilty myself, I use it, it works and I don't care if it's snakeoil (or not as some studies have suggested). Works great on jointpain if you ask me. She's also a herbalist. Is it all quackery and dangerous nonsense?

Well yes, it's all quackery. It's all down to the placebo effect, which is barely more effective then doing nothing.

Do I have an issue with people going? No, it's not all that dangerous. My issue is with people advertising these things as treatments on a par with medical ones.
Nobody ever tells you that if your knee is sore, a massage will sort it out - they'll tell you to go see a physio. But if you suffer from chronic back pain or headaches, they'll tell you to go see a chiropractor or osteopath rather than a physio. That's especially dangerous if you have an actual issue like a slipped disc - either of these quacks could cause permanent irreparable damage.

If they were advertised like massages as "spa therapies" or "relaxation treatments" rather than "alternative medicine", then I would have less of an issue.

Thankfully we're not quite as bad here as in the states where there seems to be sub-communities of people who refuse to engage with modern medicine at all and as a result cause needless deaths and injuries to themselves and their children.

The Randy Riverbeast · 27-01-2016 01:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If only. But as SC says above - on a planet where the majority % think there is a god despite there being no actual basis for that claim - there is little hope that other minority nut jobs will ever die out completely.

At some point this video will be linked to as an example in the thread - so I might as well just get it out of the way now.

At least they have an excuse, they can just fall back to there is no evidence that they are wrong, much like how there is no evidence to prove I'm not a God. When it comes to the earth being flat it is saying that there must be a huge multi industry worldwide conspiracy creating false information in order to achieve something.

dr.fuzzenstein · 27-01-2016 01:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If only. But as SC says above - on a planet where the majority % think there is a god despite there being no actual basis for that claim - there is little hope that other minority nut jobs will ever die out completely.

At some point this video will be linked to as an example in the thread - so I might as well just get it out of the way now.

That video. Just fcuking wow. Anyone who ever dug up any kind of fossil or anyone who has an above room temperature IQ (Celsius) will have to watch that with a sickbag. I don't know where to even begin. She has to be trolling. No one that stupid should even be able to sit in a chair unaided. I have lost all faith in humanity.

Sooooo...turns out my new roommate is a flat earther.

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