Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

molloyjh · 18-01-2016 2:53pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Yeah, it wouldn't be like the IRFU to make the same mistake repeatedly.

After they signed EOS to that contract before the 2007 World Cup they... Oh wait they did do the same thing again with Kidney. But at least they... eh.... http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/34968.php

Yeah, I've got nothing.....

JPNelsforearm · 18-01-2016 3:01pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Yeah, it wouldn't be like the IRFU to make the same mistake repeatedly.

After they signed EOS to that contract before the 2007 World Cup they... Oh wait they did do the same thing again with Kidney. But at least they... eh.... http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/34968.php

This annoys me, why are we two years out of sync with the rest of the world? And then we wonder why we dont peak at WC's..

former total · 18-01-2016 5:38pm

Fitzgerald back training today so hopefully he's fit for the weekend. Triggs training too.

Bib theory would suggest Cian Kelleher will play this weekend. Hmmm.

S12b · 18-01-2016 5:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

On the one hand he has a poor injury profile. On the other hand he is a tight head and we just don't produce international standard tightheads with enough regularity not to be making special exceptions.

I am tending not to believe anything on this until something official comes out. If there is a rumour of a signing, and within a couple of business days it's not made official then I lean towards fishing.

If the above however is completely true and we loose Moore, Nucifora should be shown the door.

That came directly from Moore's mouth, the IRFU are essentially forcing him to go. Oh and Nucifora is currently on holidays in Australia so all negotiations have ground to a halt until he's back. Apparently they're a nightmare to negotiate with.....very convoluted and awkward process.

Tox56 · 18-01-2016 5:57pm

former total wrote: »

Fitzgerald back training today so hopefully he's fit for the weekend. Triggs training too.

Bib theory would suggest Cian Kelleher will play this weekend. Hmmm.

Bib theory suggests a much stronger team, J McGrath, Cronin, Furlong is sitting out so probably Moore, Heaslip, Murphy, Fitzgerald. SOB and Reddan doing media usually suggests they're playing too. I would prefer to see L McGrath but I suppose if we have the depth we might as well use it

I really like the idea of a player like Kelleher being thrown in an otherwise strong team, it gives them a much better chance to shine than in the complete B sides theyd normally be involved with

molloyjh · 20-01-2016 2:53pm

So Marty isn't going now apparently but Leinster may have to buy him out of his contract.....

http://www.the42.ie/marty-moore-leinster-wasps-u-turn-2557253-Jan2016/

molloyjh · 20-01-2016 2:54pm

So Marty isn't going now apparently but Leinster may have to buy him out of his contract.....

http://www.the42.ie/marty-moore-leinster-wasps-u-turn-2557253-Jan2016/

20-01-2016 3:18pm

molloyjh wrote: »

So Marty isn't going now apparently but Leinster may have to buy him out of his contract.....

http://www.the42.ie/marty-moore-leinster-wasps-u-turn-2557253-Jan2016/

Yeah there is an awful lot of WTF in there.

Hope we don't need to wait for a biography to find out what nonsense went on here.

Shefwedfan · 20-01-2016 3:26pm

If this is true there is a major f**k up somewhere in the IRFU or Leinster. From what I read it was the IRFU that was only offering a 2 year contract so that would suggest it was IRFU issue

Am I correct after the Sexton issue that if IRFU are negotiating contract that Leinster cannot get involved and it is left to IRFU. This is what was printed at the time of Sexton move....

I would guess he wants a 3 year contract because of the position he plays and the wear & tear that position has on the body. He has a bit of a run of injuries so a 3 year contract gives him some assurance which anyone would do in his position.

errlloyd · 20-01-2016 3:33pm

See I am actually willing to side with the IRFU and Leinster on this. In some ways you have to earn the right to go abroad. (at least in the eyes of the fans).

Moore was the person who requested the 1 year contracts he got. He got bumped out of an academy contract early by Leinster and has been well looked after by Leinster. He's become first choice at Leinster, which shows the domestic coach rate him higher than the national coach. Which part of his Leinster career hasn't been perfect from a player team point of view?

This is unlike Madigan for example, who got held on a pretty crap contract for a long time, has almost never been first choice and still did his time at the province.

pickarooney · 20-01-2016 4:38pm

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

Any word on Jack Conan's recovery from the foot injury or has he fallen off the radar altogether?

Fell of the radar and broke it again.

molloyjh · 21-01-2016 10:36am

So based on the Ireland squad and current injuries what do people think we'll be looking at for the Dragons game next week? Something like this maybe?

Dooley Tracy Bent
Molony Denton
Ryan Murphy Leavy

McGrath Marsh
Te'o Ringrose
Nacewa Kirchner McFadden

Byrne, Loughman, RBF, Beirne, Ryan, McCarthy, Byrne, Reid

The forwards on the bench look pretty callow, unless Joe decides to release one or two from Ireland camp. But it's a decent looking back line too. Wouldn't be overly surprised to see Reid-Te'o with Ringrose on the bench either.

errlloyd · 21-01-2016 11:15am

molloyjh wrote: »

So based on the Ireland squad and current injuries what do people think we'll be looking at for the Dragons game next week? Something like this maybe?

Dooley Tracy Bent
Molony Denton
Ryan Murphy Leavy

McGrath Marsh
Te'o Ringrose
Nacewa Kirchner McFadden

Byrne, Loughman, RBF, Beirne, Ryan, McCarthy, Byrne, Reid

The forwards on the bench look pretty callow, unless Joe decides to release one or two from Ireland camp. But it's a decent looking back line too. Wouldn't be overly surprised to see Reid-Te'o with Ringrose on the bench either.

We should surely expect some players to be released from the 40 man squad for game time. Could see Healy or Ross perhaps too.

Sangre · 21-01-2016 11:20am

Agreed, I'd expect to see our bench bolstered by those Leinster players not making 23 man squad (unless Joe has specific injury concerns for 23).

molloyjh · 21-01-2016 11:38am

errlloyd wrote: »

We should surely expect some players to be released from the 40 man squad for game time. Could see Healy or Ross perhaps too.

Sangre wrote: »

Agreed, I'd expect to see our bench bolstered by those Leinster players not making 23 man squad (unless Joe has specific injury concerns for 23).

I wouldn't count on Healy or Ross being fit in time for it. And seeing as it's the first week of Ireland camp I'm not sure I can see Joe releasing anyone at that stage. Obviously I could be wrong, I mean just look at what I was saying last week.

irishbucsfan · 21-01-2016 11:58am

Guys like Healy who are out of the Ireland squad because they lack fitness will probably play every game they can for Leinster in Feburary

21-01-2016 1:10pm

Even a year ago it would have been inconceivable to have Healy available for Leinster during a 6N.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 21-01-2016 1:13pm

Layla Young Goose-step wrote: »

Even a year ago it would have been inconceivable to have Healy available for Leinster during a 6N.

I wonder would Healy have made the Irish squad if he hadn't had the surgery. His form's been poor all season. Schmidt may have been glad to have the decision taken out of his hands.

former total · 21-01-2016 1:15pm

Leinster 'A' team to play Rotherham:

15. Billy Dardis
14. Cian Kelleher
13. Rory O'Loughlin
12. Harrison Brewer
11. Mick McGrath
10. Steve Crosbie
9. Nick McCarthy
1. Jeremy Loughman
2. Bryan Byrne
3. Oisin Heffernan
4. David O'Connor
5. James Ryan
6. Josh Murphy
7. Dan Leavy
8. Peadar Timmins CAPTAIN

Replacements

16. Aaron Dundon
17. Andrew Porter
18. Will Connors
19. Tony Ryan
20. Charlie Rock
21. Joey Carbery
22. Darragh Fanning

Interesting to see Crosbie at 10, might indicate Marsh getting a run with the seniors?

former total · 21-01-2016 1:15pm

Leinster 'A' team to play Rotherham:

15. Billy Dardis
14. Cian Kelleher
13. Rory O'Loughlin
12. Harrison Brewer
11. Mick McGrath
10. Steve Crosbie
9. Nick McCarthy
1. Jeremy Loughman
2. Bryan Byrne
3. Oisin Heffernan
4. David O'Connor
5. James Ryan
6. Josh Murphy
7. Dan Leavy
8. Peadar Timmins CAPTAIN

Replacements

16. Aaron Dundon
17. Andrew Porter
18. Will Connors
19. Tony Ryan
20. Charlie Rock
21. Joey Carbery
22. Darragh Fanning

Interesting to see Crosbie at 10, might indicate Marsh getting a run with the seniors?

former total · 21-01-2016 1:16pm

Layla Young Goose-step wrote: »

Even a year ago it would have been inconceivable to have Healy available for Leinster during a 6N.

He played two games for Leinster during last year's 6N...

CMOTDibbler · 21-01-2016 1:21pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I wonder would Healy have made the Irish squad if he hadn't had the surgery. His form's been poor all season. Schmidt may have been glad to have the decision taken out of his hands.

His form was improving before he got the ban and the surgery. He wasn't back to his best, but was on an upward curve. I've no doubt he'd be in the squad if he wasn't coming back from surgery. There's a place marked for him seeing as we have only two LHs with Furlong probably covering the spot until Healy's back.

irishbucsfan · 21-01-2016 1:27pm

former total wrote: »

Interesting to see Crosbie at 10, might indicate Marsh getting a run with the seniors?

That would make me very happy indeed

clsmooth · 21-01-2016 1:43pm

Where is Adam Byrne these days??

molloyjh · 21-01-2016 1:49pm

clsmooth wrote: »

Where is Adam Byrne these days??

He started the A game last week but came off at half time. Not sure why, but assume he was injured?

irishbucsfan · 21-01-2016 1:55pm

molloyjh wrote: »

He started the A game last week but came off at half time. Not sure why, but assume he was injured?

He's also got an Olympic qualifier at the end of the season so I'd imagine the IRFU would want the As being careful with him

clsmooth · 21-01-2016 1:59pm

Feels like he's been around a longtime without ever getting on the first 15. He was a sub for a game when he was 18/19 wasn't he??

errlloyd · 21-01-2016 2:09pm

former total wrote: »

Interesting to see Crosbie at 10, might indicate Marsh getting a run with the seniors?

When is Ross Byrne.

CMOTDibbler · 21-01-2016 2:22pm

errlloyd wrote: »

When is Ross Byrne.

Very Zen

Where is ten o'clock... :cool:

molloyjh · 21-01-2016 3:07pm

errlloyd wrote: »

When is Ross Byrne.

Maybe Byrne is travelling as cover to Coventry with Marsh being in the 23? Can't imagine both are in the 23.

irishbucsfan · 21-01-2016 3:43pm

errlloyd wrote: »

When is Ross Byrne.

"Who is Spain?"
"Why is Hitler?"
"When is right?"
"Where was that stooped and mealy-colored old man I used to call Poppa when the merry-go-round broke down?"
"How was trump at Munich?"
"Ho-ho beriberi."
and
"Balls!"
all rang out in rapid succession, and then there was Yossarian with the question that had no answer:
"Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?"

wise7 · 21-01-2016 6:05pm

molloyjh wrote: »

Maybe Byrne is travelling as cover to Coventry with Marsh being in the 23? Can't imagine both are in the 23.

Ross Byrne picked up an injury in training with Leinster this week.

molloyjh · 22-01-2016 11:02am

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/we-wont-drop-off-without-six-nations-stars-34385500.html

Well Denton is starting tomorrow anyway. And from the looks of the press briefings I think Sexton is as well.

irishbucsfan · 22-01-2016 11:11am

This Marty Moore situation seems like another absolute farce. Reports that they're now having to seek legal advice on how to free him from whatever agreement he's reached elsewhere.

Niall Woods is his agent. He's been working with the IRFU for well over a decade when he was with IRUPA. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for the IRFU to be blindsided by this. They're certainly not losing him because the management didn't feel he was worth keeping, that much has now become obvious. It's a complete joke that we could be losing a tighthead of his age profile and with his talent because of the incompetence of the negotiators, yet again.

irishbucsfan · 22-01-2016 11:12am

This Marty Moore situation seems like another absolute farce. Reports that they're now having to seek legal advice on how to free him from whatever agreement he's reached elsewhere.

Niall Woods is his agent. He's been working with the IRFU for well over a decade when he was with IRUPA. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for the IRFU to be blindsided by this. They're certainly not losing him because the management didn't feel he was worth keeping, that much has now become obvious. It's a complete joke that we could be losing a tighthead of his age profile and with his talent because of the incompetence of the negotiators, yet again.

LostArt · 22-01-2016 11:19am

Don't worry, the story will have changed again in next weeks leak to the press.

molloyjh · 22-01-2016 11:23am

It's really hard to know how much of what is in the press to take seriously. First we heard there was nothing signed but that he was almost certainly leaving. Then we heard that he had signed but was almost certainly not leaving. All of this at around the same time that we were hearing that James Cronin was off to LI when he had in actual fact already signed an extension with Munster. The reporting of contract negotiations in itself has been a bit of a mess lately so we simply don't know how much of the reporting is a mess and how much of the real life situation is a mess.

If he has signed for Wasps then we'll need to shell out our Douglas money to keep him, if Wasps are even willing to release him at all. But even if all of that is the case we just don't know what the context is. There's talk of his fitness being an issue at Leinster so maybe there's more going on here than we know. Especially as it seems that it was Joe and the IRFU that intervened to keep him. Which would suggest it was Leinster who were letting him go.

molloyjh · 22-01-2016 11:23am

It's really hard to know how much of what is in the press to take seriously. First we heard there was nothing signed but that he was almost certainly leaving. Then we heard that he had signed but was almost certainly not leaving. All of this at around the same time that we were hearing that James Cronin was off to LI when he had in actual fact already signed an extension with Munster. The reporting of contract negotiations in itself has been a bit of a mess lately so we simply don't know how much of the reporting is a mess and how much of the real life situation is a mess.

If he has signed for Wasps then we'll need to shell out our Douglas money to keep him, if Wasps are even willing to release him at all. But even if all of that is the case we just don't know what the context is. There's talk of his fitness being an issue at Leinster so maybe there's more going on here than we know. Especially as it seems that it was Joe and the IRFU that intervened to keep him. Which would suggest it was Leinster who were letting him go.

irishbucsfan · 22-01-2016 1:04pm

LEINSTER:

15. Rob Kearney
14. Zane Kirchner
13. Luke Fitzgerald
12. Noel Reid
11. Dave Kearney
10. Johnny Sexton CAPTAIN
9 . Eoin Reddan
1. Jack McGrath
2. Sean Cronin
3. Marty Moore
4. Devin Toner
5. Rhys Ruddock
6. Dominic Ryan
7. Jordi Murphy
8. Jamie Heaslip

16. Richardt Strauss
17. Peter Dooley
18. Michael Bent
19. Ross Molony
20. Josh van der Flier
21. Isaac Boss
22. Cathal Marsh
23. Ben Te'o

Referee: Mathieu Raynal (France)
Touch Judge 1: Sebastien Minery (France)
Touch Judge 2: Thomas Dejean (France)
TMO: Eric Gauzins (France)
Citing Commissioner: John Montgomery (Scotland)

irishbucsfan · 22-01-2016 1:04pm

LEINSTER:

15. Rob Kearney
14. Zane Kirchner
13. Luke Fitzgerald
12. Noel Reid
11. Dave Kearney
10. Johnny Sexton CAPTAIN
9 . Eoin Reddan
1. Jack McGrath
2. Sean Cronin
3. Marty Moore
4. Devin Toner
5. Rhys Ruddock
6. Dominic Ryan
7. Jordi Murphy
8. Jamie Heaslip

16. Richardt Strauss
17. Peter Dooley
18. Michael Bent
19. Ross Molony
20. Josh van der Flier
21. Isaac Boss
22. Cathal Marsh
23. Ben Te'o

Referee: Mathieu Raynal (France)
Touch Judge 1: Sebastien Minery (France)
Touch Judge 2: Thomas Dejean (France)
TMO: Eric Gauzins (France)
Citing Commissioner: John Montgomery (Scotland)

awec · 22-01-2016 1:05pm

Ruddock in the second row...

scott1974 · 22-01-2016 1:06pm

Ruddock starting at lock.. Noel and Luke in the centre..
Leo knows how to throw a curveball..

scott1974 · 22-01-2016 1:07pm

Ruddock starting at lock.. Noel and Luke in the centre..
Leo knows how to throw a curveball..

irishbucsfan · 22-01-2016 1:09pm

Very much a selection with the Pro 12 in mind.

Getting the guys who will be away with Ireland out on the field. Getting some of the guys who will be around like Nacewa/Te'o/Ringrose some rest. Getting Marsh and Boss onto the field. I wonder if the competition will survive this selection.

irishbucsfan · 22-01-2016 1:09pm

Very much a selection with the Pro 12 in mind.

Getting the guys who will be away with Ireland out on the field. Getting some of the guys who will be around like Nacewa/Te'o/Ringrose some rest. Getting Marsh and Boss onto the field. I wonder if the competition will survive this selection.

Peregrine · 22-01-2016 1:09pm

Ruddock in the second row??

errlloyd · 22-01-2016 1:12pm

If last week was giving youth a chance, this week is "squeeze all our experienced players on the pitch at once and let them respond"

.ak · 22-01-2016 1:12pm

Sexton as Captain ahead of Heaslip is interesting.

Loving the fact we're treating these games as essentially warm ups.

CatFromHue · 22-01-2016 1:13pm

Leo giving 2 fingers to Schmidt by making Sexton Captain

Quint2010 · 22-01-2016 1:13pm

Peregrine wrote: »

Ruddock in the second row??

I wonder is Schmidt looking at him as an option there and been on the phone to Cullen?

Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VI: End of the MOC [Revenge of the STH]

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