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Plagiarism in Music.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    I fücking hate that term. It was invented by music lawyers to protect a record company's profits. In folk and world music, borrowing and trading ideas is common, and forms an important part of music culture. In western pop culture, its plagiarism. Any time I hear that word in music, I just hear a bunch of lawyers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Saipanne wrote: »
    I fücking hate that term. It was invented by music lawyers to protect a record company's profits. In folk and world music, borrowing and trading ideas is common, and forms an important part of music culture. In western pop culture, its plagiarism. Any time I hear that word in music, I just hear a bunch of lawyers.

    I did mention that artists borrow influences from each other, it only becomes a 'Passing Off' offence when they blatantly steal, rewrite a tune from it's original structure and passing it off as their own creation.

    It's a business at the end of the day. The Kinks successfully sued the Doors for 'Hello I love You' and were given royalty rights on future sales. Ray Davies was listed as a co author on the liner notes thereafter.


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




    Sounds a tiny bit like Walking in Memphis, but a vast improvement...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Don't think its plagiarism but these two songs sound similar

    Rhythm Is a Dancer

    Mr Vain


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    U2's Beautiful Day sounds very similar to A-ha'sThe sun always shines on TV

    I heard another one in the car the other day, some boy band rip off of an older song....will put it up when I think of it.


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  • Moderators Posts: 52,294 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    The Kinks were ripping of Chuck Berry & Led Zep robbed Howlin Wolf amongst many others!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Sam Smiths Stay with Me sounds like I Won't Back Down by Tom Petty. Smith claimed it was a coincidence and he'd never even heard that song but he agreed to pay royalties to Petty and list him as co writer.

    I know he's young but I'd have thought everyone has heard that song at this stage!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Sam Smiths Stay with Me sounds like I Won't Back Down by Tom Petty. Smith claimed it was a coincidence and he'd never even heard that song but he agreed to pay royalties to Petty and list him as co writer.

    I know he's young but I'd have thought everyone has heard that song at this stage!

    There is a small bit of that sounds similar but surely there are a limited amount of notes etc that can be used and after a while songs will sound similar by accident anyway.

    So many films and books are effectively the same story but I've never heard too many cases in those fields of people claiming plagarism.


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't think its plagiarism but these two songs sound similar

    Rhythm Is a Dancer

    Mr Vain

    Same country and genre, same era.

    German Eurodance, released within a few months of each other.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    U2 and the Killers are my two absolute favourite bands, I'm not bashing The Killers by posting this (as someone else said, the concept of "plagiarism" has gone way too far in recent times and is now overly restrictive)

    However... :D



  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Verve's Bittersweet Symphony sampled a riff from the Rolling Stones. Despite this being agreed on, a former manager of the Stones; who owned the rights to the song that was sampled, sued the Verve, saying that they had used longer than the agreed upon sample, forcing them to hand over 100% of all songwriting loyalties ... So despite the fact it was the band's biggest and best known hit (and a huge financial success), they have made barely any money.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 bmurph16


    Haven't even touched on the whole techno house scene. LOL there's money to be made there no doubt


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Verve's Bittersweet Symphony sampled a riff from the Rolling Stones...despite the fact it was the band's biggest and best known hit (and a huge financial success), they have made barely any money.

    From that song.

    On the other hand it launched them to a year or 2 of superstardom in which they must have made a fortune, Urban Hymns being one of the biggest selling albums in the UK ever, so even if the infringement was a genuine error the single it was used in made their career.


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bmurph16 wrote: »
    Haven't even touched on the whole techno house scene. LOL there's money to be made there no doubt

    The Raving I'm Raving track I linked above was on the verge of hitting No. 1 in the UK when Marc Cohen got all prissy and pulled it. Even though it was far better than his maudlin droning. After that things got a lot tighter.

    I guess the KLF kept a few lawyers busy, after all it was what gave them their name.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    This:

    ...and this (can't find a copy of the original album version):


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Everything is a copy of a copy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Everything is a copy of a copy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭wingnut


    Enya and the Fugees. The Fugues got done for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    From 3.49 you can hear the resemblance to Viva La Vida



    From 0.49 you can Viva La Vida sounding melody





    It's very difficult to see who's a fault here. Or whether it was just a complete coincidence.Its a very popular plagiarism debate on Youtube.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist






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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    On songs, not so much plagiarism directly but more stealing someone else's "theme"
    Is Adeles
    http://youtu.be/7AW9C3-qWug

    And

    http://youtu.be/YQHsXMglC9A
    Not just reruns of Janis Ian

    http://youtu.be/_1u1GN2uO6I


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭melissak


    The Verve's Bittersweet Symphony sampled a riff from the Rolling Stones. Despite this being agreed on, a former manager of the Stones; who owned the rights to the song that was sampled, sued the Verve, saying that they had used longer than the agreed upon sample, forcing them to hand over 100% of all songwriting loyalties ... So despite the fact it was the band's biggest and best known hit (and a huge financial success), they have made barely any money.

    Harsh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Music legal copyright & publishing laws usually apply only to song lyrics & melodies.

    Nobody can copyright chords, bass or guitar riffs or a drum beat ect: unless the part of original recording is actually sampled & used which would be be subject to a legal challenge for recording copyright such as The Verve case.

    So you can rob (AKA learn to play :rolleyes:) a Kinks riff or two as long as you use a different lyric & melody in combination! You can ask your drummer (or program ) to play any beat from any drummer you like

    The Specials took "Gangsters" from Prince Buster & added lyrics on top, yet got away with it!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    for all the One Direction fans, some of them are very blatant rip offs





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    This might go some way to explaining it! :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    From 3.49 you can hear the resemblance to Viva La Vida



    From 0.49 you can Viva La Vida sounding melody





    It's very difficult to see who's a fault here. Or whether it was just a complete coincidence.Its a very popular plagiarism debate on Youtube.
    I'll take your word for it. There's no way I'm willingly opening a Coldplay video.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,321 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Steve Miller Band - Rock'n me



    Free - All Right Now



    Miller definitely uses the same intro as Free although on a different key.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,813 ✭✭✭TPD


    The whole jungle genre is basically plagarised from 6 seconds of drums from 'Amen, brother' by the Winstons. Pretty sure the drummer got diddly from it too.


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