Social Media Misuse

Duggy747 · 15-01-2016 01:42PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

A lot of people don't understand though. I can also post pictures of you or anyone else up.

All download options could be disabled / be made more difficult but if a person really wanted the picture they could easily open up the page source to find it's URL or just Print Screen it.

Not to victim blame, but these kinds of things will always happen so at the end of the day it's down to privacy, who you trust in your circle of friends (or the hundreds / thousands of people you just added because you met them once / they're a friend of a friend of a friend), and that people understand the risks involved of using social media.

15-01-2016 01:43PM

NomadicGray wrote: »

I think Facebook do generally have their act together on this issur, but teenage girls certainly don't.
Parents need to presume their kids are dumb as hell with such matters & educate/supervise them.

If the photos had been taken off a school or sports website would you say the same thing?

Balmed Out · 15-01-2016 01:45PM

Teenagers get caught up in things and try to out do each other etc. Stupid ?, yes but still human nature.
If Im stupid enough to drink too much in a pub its the responsibility of the publican to stop serving me, surely it should be facebooks responsibility to stop facilitating these people too if feasible (not sure to what degree it is though).

Surely there's no excusing facebook for having to unfriend one by one?

TG1 · 15-01-2016 01:46PM

222233 wrote: »

I think thats actually just victim blaming now. There is never an excuse for deliberately taking someones photo for the intention of distribution on some sick and twisted website. Never.

There isn't an excuse for what someone did to those girls but I don't think it's victim blaming to say young girls shouldn't be accepting friend requests from randomers they don't know when that grants a total stranger access to their private photos etc.

It's not like privacy issues with social media is something that has only just cropped up, every teenager with access to Facebook has heard similar stories before.

silverharp · 15-01-2016 01:47PM

JustShon wrote: »

No teenager is thinking about what future employers are going to think.

This was a teenager after all, not an adult. Probably wouldn't have made the news otherwise.

My kids aren't teenagers yet but I can't see myself letting them use their real names on line if and when they ask. My internet my rules.....

15-01-2016 01:48PM

TG1 wrote: »

There isn't an excuse for what someone did to those girls but I don't think it's victim blaming to say young girls shouldn't be accepting friend requests from randomers they don't know when that grants a total stranger access to their private photos etc.

It's not like privacy issues with social media is something that has only just cropped up, every teenager with access to Facebook has heard similar stories before.

Indeed but I don't think we should have to discuss privacy we should be discussing the sick minds of those taking and using these photos.

Balmed Out · 15-01-2016 01:49PM

NomadicGray wrote: »

I think Facebook do generally have their act together on this issur, but teenage girls certainly don't.
Parents need to presume their kids are dumb as hell with such matters & educate/supervise them.

Who's educating the parents though. Most parents I know constantly post pictures of their kids so its hard to blame these same kids fishing for likes when posting their own pictures. Look at After hours and the same people fishing for thanks with witty one liners on the front page of every second thread.

El Weirdo · 15-01-2016 01:49PM

silverharp wrote: »

My internet my rules.....

Al?

jester77 · 15-01-2016 01:50PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

Id suggest removing the option of having personal profiles visible to non friends, a second tier of friendship for acquaintances and a limited number of full friends who can see photos etc as well as the ability to remove multiple friends easily.

What do you think yourself am I being too nannystatish ?

You can do that already. But if people are too dumb not to do this and just accept every request there is, then there is not much you can do.

NomadicGray · 15-01-2016 01:51PM

222233 wrote: »

If the photos had been taken off a school or sports website would you say the same thing?

I think if you put something in the Internet in any capacity you have to presume it's vulnerable to misuse. That should be the default stance.
So yeah, I guess I do

I don't think a school will post pictures a porno site find useful, but there's other examples of course

LDN_Irish · 15-01-2016 01:52PM

222233 wrote: »

Indeed but I don't think we should have to discuss privacy we should be discussing the sick minds of those taking and using these photos.

Ok, you tell us what ideas you have on preventing the sick minds of those taking people's pictures online and I won't post anything that I wouldn't want to end up on a pornsite and we'll see who reaches their goal first.

I've already won this race but I'm still interested to hear your ideas.

15-01-2016 01:52PM

NomadicGray wrote: »

I don't think a school will post pictures a porno site find useful, but there's other examples of course

And what was useful in terms of porn in these girls selfies?

gramar · 15-01-2016 01:52PM

There needs to be an internet licence. Children under 12 must wear a seatbelt. Those on provisional licences must be accompanied by an adult.

Balmed Out · 15-01-2016 01:53PM

NomadicGray wrote: »

I don't think a school will post pictures a porno site find useful, but there's other examples of course

As far as im aware most of these photos were fairly innocuous pictures of teenage girls, the porn element being users commentating on what they would like to do to/with them.

Duggy747 · 15-01-2016 01:55PM

222233 wrote: »

Indeed but I don't think we should have to discuss privacy we should be discussing the sick minds of those taking and using these photos.

That's the problem, people aren't discussing or considering privacy.

15-01-2016 01:56PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

That's the problem, people aren't discussing or considering privacy.

The original were completely innocent from what I have heard why should you have to hide your face just because there are people out there who need psychiatric help?

smash · 15-01-2016 01:57PM

I have a 16yr old cousin who's been on Facebook for around 3 years. Personally I think it's irresponsible to allow it from a parental point of view but some people see nothing wrong with it. She uploads all her wes and kiddie disco photos and has hundreds of friends, most of whom she doesn't know and quite a lot are pages called "young Dublin Yuss" and other such tripe where the girls tag the page to appear on their feed. The pages are probably set up and run by creeps and it's FB's responsibility in a way to monitor community pages to remove the likes of this, and to remove users who are clearly under their age policy, but they don't.

NomadicGray · 15-01-2016 01:58PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

Who's educating the parents though. Most parents I know constantly post pictures of their kids so its hard to blame these same kids fishing for likes when posting their own pictures. Look at After hours and the same people fishing for thanks with witty one liners on the front page of every second thread.

Parents could be educated by stories like this, but they'll forget & whine when it happens again in a few years.
I'm astounded by people's desires for thanks /likes /shares on social media

LDN_Irish · 15-01-2016 01:59PM

222233 wrote: »

The original were completely innocent from what I have heard why should you have to hide your face just because there are people out there who need psychiatric help?

You've just answered your own question. The only person who's conduct you can control is your own. The behaviour of your 3000 "friends" is completely out of your control.

15-01-2016 01:59PM

NomadicGray wrote: »

Parents could be educated by stories like this, but they'll forget & whine when it happens again in a few years.
I'm astounded by people's desires for thanks /likes /shares on social media

So the issue is people exploring their individuality and not people taking these photos for inappropriate use?

15-01-2016 02:00PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

You've just answered your own question. The only person who's conduct you can control is your own. The behaviour of your 3000 "friends" is completely out of your control.

I don't believe so I think the only thing that needs questioning here is the people who put these pics on the forum.

LDN_Irish · 15-01-2016 02:04PM

222233 wrote: »

I don't believe so I think the only thing that needs questioning here is the people who put these pics on the forum.

But who are you going to ask? I can't ask "Brian Murphy" not to steal my pics, because "Brian Murphy" doesn't exist and he probably already has a new name and is adding the oblivious as we speak.

Balmed Out · 15-01-2016 02:06PM

222233 wrote: »

The original were completely innocent from what I have heard why should you have to hide your face just because there are people out there who need psychiatric help?

They were perhaps a little naive in becoming friends with someone they didn't know. I think facebook should do more to protect people but at the same time there is a level of individual responsibility.
I have a lot of dark clothes and ideally would be able to walk safely up my rural hill home from the pub in safety but there are those who drive drunk, too fast without undue care etc so I have a responsibility to myself to wear a hi viz luminous top.

15-01-2016 02:12PM

I am a little confused. So I do not mean to offend here - but genuinely need it explained to me.

They are putting pictures of themselves up on a site accessible to all, with little care for who sees those pictures or not (as evidenced by OP saying ". They accept friend requests based on nothing.....")

Then someone took those pictures and put them on another site accessible to all.

And now it is a problem?? I am not seeing the difference really. In both cases the pictures are on a site, and just about anyone can see them. The only difference is one of those sites specifically refers to itself as a "porn" site (though the pictures in question hardly qualify as porn I would warrant so the site in question is likely misrepresenting itself).

What am I missing?

NomadicGray · 15-01-2016 02:16PM

222233 wrote: »

So the issue is people exploring their individuality and not people taking these photos for inappropriate use?

Where'd I say that?
That comment is separate to the discussion.
You're part of the "offended at every opportunity" crowd?

Balmed Out · 15-01-2016 02:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am a little confused. So I do not mean to offend here - but genuinely need it explained to me.

They are putting pictures of themselves up on a site accessible to all, with little care for who sees those pictures or not (as evidenced by OP saying ". They accept friend requests based on nothing.....")

Then someone took those pictures and put them on another site accessible to all.

And now it is a problem?? I am not seeing the difference really. In both cases the pictures are on a site, and just about anyone can see them. The only difference is one of those sites specifically refers to itself as a "porn" site (though the pictures in question hardly qualify as porn I would warrant so the site in question is likely misrepresenting itself).

What am I missing?

I have no idea as to the manner the photos were put up on facebook only that their peer group add friends liberally and so even with private accounts have their pictures easily accessible.
On facebook if they have x 'friends' then x people can view them (presuming as claimed the profiles arent completely public). On facebook the intended use is some sort of interaction with their own peer group.

On the porn site presumably anyone can view them with the intention of using them for users to comment, apparently, how they would like to defile, abuse etc the child in the picture.

15-01-2016 02:25PM

I guess the modern age is still new enough that people can still be naive enough to think pictures secure on sites like facebook I suppose. Probably not helped by sites like that themselves claiming to be secure and what not (image to maintain I guess).

I think - for me at least, the mileage of others may vary - there is little reason to post anywhere on the net without the mentality that what you put out there is ultimately accessible to EVERYONE - regardless of what the site in question might claim.

But as I say - that is just me.

Figbiscuithead · 15-01-2016 02:34PM

I think it takes something as extreme as this for people to cop on. I think it's human nature to only learn lessons when the **** really hits the fan in many cases. Hopefully it'll make young women think twice about who they befriend and what they post - you live and learn, I suppose.

ScumLord · 15-01-2016 02:40PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

I'm saying that you should be completely unable to share someone who isn't on your friends list pictures. As it stands now by default I can go randomly search names on FB and I could share anyones pics to my own timeline. If there's a way of turning that off then very few people seem to know that because even when people have everything locked down so that only their profile pic is visible, you can still share it.

That's just sharing within facebook, it kind of shows how blinkered people are to Facebook, the internet and computers in general. You do know you can go to any image on the web, right click on it and save the picture to your own computer. Even if that doesn't work you can just do a screen grab.

Once you publish something onto the internet it's gone, it's out of your hands, it belongs to the internet, the internet can and will do what it likes with that picture and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

LDN_Irish · 15-01-2016 02:45PM

ScumLord wrote: »

That's just sharing within facebook, it kind of shows how blinkered people are to Facebook, the internet and computers in general. You do know you can go to any image on the web, right click on it and save the picture to your own computer. Even if that doesn't work you can just do a screen grab.

Once you publish something onto the internet it's gone, it's out of your hands, it belongs to the internet, the internet can and will do what it likes with that picture and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

I do know that, I said exactly that in my post just before the one you've quoted.

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