Sugar Crash on Rté what a load of

shane. · 12-01-2016 07:21PM

BlibBlab wrote: »

It was poorly done, but sugar is a massive problem. If it encourages some people to cut down then all the better. Op, I think you need to look up the effects of sugar on our health and wellbeing if you think it's trivial

well i just changed the yogurts we give to the toddler and the ones i bought today have half the sugar of the other brand we were giving him so made me more aware

ants09 · 12-01-2016 07:39PM

neckedit wrote: »

What?? Diabetics don't need to give up sugar???? Are you serious??? If you want a life on medications ending in injecting insulin.... you are correctly.......
No diabetic is without complications. High blood pressure, Cardio vascular complications, Joint issues to mention only 3? I really can't understand the denial regarding this issue.
You really need to educate your self on the matter before posting.

Actually you do know diabetics can and do need sugar, we are no different towards anyone else and notice the word WE.

Yes there is complications with diabetics if not controlled, yes i know about the complications as i am a T1 Diabetic just 30 years so i do know what i am talking about unlike you

As for educate myself on Diabetics ? i think you need to as your thinking is back in the middle and dark ages.

ants09 · 12-01-2016 07:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Diabetes for all \o/

That post is quite insulting, you do know that T1 diabetes is not caused by too much sugar, its a common misconception that T1's diabetes is caused by too much sugar when its caused by our own immune system attacking our own body. Yes in T2's too much sugar can lead to it, but there is also other things apart from sugar that can lead or cause it.

topmanamillion · 12-01-2016 07:46PM

Glad other people saw this stupid programme for what it was - absolute hyperbole.
There's no argument from me that too much sugar is a serious health risk but they laid it on far too strong.
For instance the man with diabetes who lost both his legs as a result of his diet was a very extreme case and was more to do with his extreme dietary choices than sugar.

TheChizler · 12-01-2016 07:51PM

ants09 wrote: »

That post is quite insulting, you do know that T1 diabetes is not caused by too much sugar, its a common misconception that T1's diabetes is caused by too much sugar when its caused by our own immune system attacking our own body. Yes in T2's too much sugar can lead to it, but there is also other things apart from sugar that can lead or cause it.

I'm amazed you got that from that post!

ants09 · 12-01-2016 07:56PM

TheChizler wrote: »

I'm amazed you got that from that post!

A program about too much sugar

A common misconception that too much sugar will give you diabetes

A poster that says Diabetes for all ?

amazed :rolleyes:

neckedit · 12-01-2016 08:02PM

ants09 wrote: »

Actually you do know diabetics can and do need sugar, we are no different towards anyone else and notice the word WE.

Yes there is complications with diabetics if not controlled, yes i know about the complications as i am a T1 Diabetic just 30 years so i do know what i am talking about unlike you

As for educate myself on Diabetics ? i think you need to as your thinking is back in the middle and dark ages.

YOu mentioned the Millions who live without complication and then say you know about them as a diabetic for 30 years.... I know none with out complication. My approach to do with T2 is Nothing to do with the Dark ages, the facts are As a type2 Diabetic I chose to give up refined sugar rather than medicate as I am diabetic through my own lifestyle and my diet and I have not looked back since.T1 as you know is different I was not talking of T1 as the epidemic is surrounding T2. So maybe you should educate yourself on the topics of the show.

d9oiu2wk07blr5 · 12-01-2016 08:17PM

neckedit wrote: »

What?? Diabetics don't need to give up sugar???? Are you serious??? If you want a life on medications ending in injecting insulin.... you are correctly.......
No diabetic is without complications. High blood pressure, Cardio vascular complications, Joint issues to mention only 3? I really can't understand the denial regarding this issue.
You really need to educate your self on the matter before posting.

I remember an old professor of mine who was ahead of his time back in the days when I was training....and his philosophy was that diabetics didn't need to follow special diets or to completely cut sugar out of their diets. In self-management, the emphasis should be on a healthy eating and yes, diabetics can even have treats in moderation. IDDM's and NIDDM's can eat the exact same diet as the rest of the population. You're not alone though, cos one in two people who are predominantly aged over 40 tend to believe that having a diagnosis of diabetes means that they need to follow a special diet and to completely cut sugar out of their diets. That was the findings of research that was carried out by Diabetes Ireland. The best that I've seen is kitchen assistants on wards going around and abruptly telling patients who have successfully self-managed their condition since they were children that they're not allowed to have a normal menu. When the diabetic tray arrives....guess what's on it....sachets of sugar!

ants09 · 12-01-2016 08:18PM

neckedit wrote: »

YOu mentioned the Millions who live without complication and then say you know about them as a diabetic for 30 years.... I know none with out complication. My approach to do with T2 is Nothing to do with the Dark ages, the facts are As a type2 Diabetic I chose to give up refined sugar rather than medicate as I am diabetic through my own lifestyle and my diet and I have not looked back since.T1 as you know is different I was not talking of T1 as the epidemic is surrounding T2. So maybe you should educate yourself on the topics of the show.

So you do know genetics, lifestyle choices, diet, age, weight, ethnicity, itg, pregnancy etc are know factors in T2 but not one alone will give you T2 ?

And is there a epidemic of T2 ? as T2 being around since what 2000 BC and will be around 2000 years into the future.

And yes you can give up most refined sugar, but you know as well as i do that everybody needs sugar even diabetics and you can cut down on the amount you take but you can't eliminate it from your diet altogether

Mountainsandh · 12-01-2016 08:26PM

I didn't watch the show. I refuse to watch any more of these pontificating shows. I like to be informed, but I just can't take the patronising undertones of RTE propaganda anymore. I'd rather watch the Discovery equivalent.

neckedit · 12-01-2016 08:38PM

Florence Eager Runner wrote: »

I remember an old professor of mine who was ahead of his time back in the days when I was training....and his philosophy was that diabetics didn't need to follow special diets or to completely cut sugar out of their diets. In self-management, the emphasis should be on a healthy eating and yes, diabetics can even have treats in moderation. IDDM's and NIDDM's can eat the exact same diet as the rest of the population. You're not alone though, cos one in two people who are predominantly aged over 40 tend to believe that having a diagnosis of diabetes means that they need to follow a special diet and to completely cut sugar out of their diets. That was the findings of research that was carried out by Diabetes Ireland. The best that I've seen is kitchen assistants on wards going around and abruptly telling patients who have successfully self-managed their condition since they were children that they're not allowed to have a normal menu. When the diabetic tray arrives....guess what's on it....sachets of sugar!

I don't follow a diabetic diet, I cut refined sugars from my Diet, No more coke, No more Haribo, no more Jaffa Cakes, no more beer....... eh well.... somethings ya just can't give up, I gave up these thing so i can carry on with out meds.

Eugene Norman · 12-01-2016 08:48PM

sideswipe wrote: »

Yes, natural sugars that our bodies were designed to break down slowly as our digestive system breaks down the fibre that is comes with.
Take away the fibre i.e. fruit juice and your left with free sugar which rushes through the digestive system much quicker- spiking blood sugar levels and asking a lot more of your liver.

So why not sprinkle sugar on a steak?

Sure the digestive system will spend a bit more energy on the digestion of the fibre, but it's minuscule. Eating the equivalent calories in fruit juice as actual oranges has, by and large, the same effect.

lertsnim · 12-01-2016 08:52PM

Flatzie_poo wrote: »

Yeah, shame on us for expecting some originality.

:rolleyes:

Great if you have Netflix and screw everyone else? :rolleyes: to you too.

d9oiu2wk07blr5 · 12-01-2016 08:57PM

neckedit wrote: »

I don't follow a diabetic diet, I cut refined sugars from my Diet, No more coke, No more Haribo, no more Jaffa Cakes, no more beer....... eh well.... somethings ya just can't give up, I gave up these thing so i can carry on with out meds.

Not everybody with IDDM/NIDDM have complications either. Complications occur where the diabetes is uncontrolled.

neckedit · 12-01-2016 08:59PM

ants09 wrote: »

So you do know genetics, lifestyle choices, diet, age, weight, ethnicity, itg, pregnancy etc are know factors in T2 but not one alone will give you T2 ?

And is there a epidemic of T2 ? as T2 being around since what 2000 BC and will be around 2000 years into the future.

And yes you can give up most refined sugar, but you know as well as i do that everybody needs sugar even diabetics and you can cut down on the amount you take but you can't eliminate it from your diet altogether

Yes I do know the above thanks and Diet alone can lead to type 2.

And yes there is an epidemic, if you want to believe or not that's up to you, The point of the show and the debate surrounding sugar intake is that T2 Diabetes is an avoidable illness that puts further strain on an already stretched health service,that is on the increase due to our high intake of added refined sugar and our processed foods coupled with sedentary lifestyles, I understand fully that genetics, age, pregnancy etc are factors in Devolping T2. But again not the topic of the show. T2 may have been around since2000 bc not really sure tbh.... but not in the numbers it is now or indeed will be in 2000 years from now. The point of this show and many reports and studies is to educate and prevent the illness not to find a cure..... Prevention is better than the cure... n all that......

TheChizler · 12-01-2016 09:13PM

ants09 wrote: »

A program about too much sugar

A common misconception that too much sugar will give you diabetes

A poster that says Diabetes for all ?

amazed :rolleyes:

Not quite joining the dots there.

You missed a fantastic opportunity to respond with "Diabetes for some, miniature American flags for others"!

12-01-2016 09:55PM

ants09 wrote: »

That post is quite insulting, you do know that T1 diabetes is not caused by too much sugar, its a common misconception that T1's diabetes is caused by too much sugar when its caused by our own immune system attacking our own body. Yes in T2's too much sugar can lead to it, but there is also other things apart from sugar that can lead or cause it.

Hilarious that you actually thought my post was serious.

I'm well aware of the ins and outs of diabetes. My mother is a type 1 diabetic. My sister in law currently has gestational diabetes something which I had to be monitored closely for during pregnancy.

I was being facetious in response to people saying that eating too much sugar isn't a big deal.

Thargor · 13-01-2016 11:10AM

How bad are tinned peas and beans as one of your vegs in peoples opinions? I know I should move away from them to something healthier but a meal just doesnt seem complete without them.

squonk · 13-01-2016 12:49PM

Well when it comes to tinned peas you can practically taste the sugar there. beans contain a nice bit as well I'm sure. You could try using frozen veg mix instead e.g. that type with the mix of peas, carrot and corn or one of the brocolli, caulflower & carrot mixes. You don't have to cut them out completely anyway. Have them when you feel like it!

witnessmenow · 14-01-2016 07:34PM

Thargor wrote: »

How bad are tinned peas and beans as one of your vegs in peoples opinions? I know I should move away from them to something healthier but a meal just doesnt seem complete without them.

There is no added sugar beans that you should go for if you like beans. I think the ones in Aldi are very good (come in a light blue can).

EDIT: Do beans count as a veg?

Ruby31 · 14-01-2016 07:44PM

witnessmenow wrote: »

There is no added sugar beans that you should go for if you like beans. I think the ones in Aldi are very good (come in a light blue can).

EDIT: Do beans count as a veg?

I'm almost certain it says '1/4 of a tin of beans is one of your 5 a day' on the label.

Beans and lentils are so good for you. Full of fibre and iron. There's a lot worse things a person could be eating!

gctest50 · 14-01-2016 07:54PM

Ruby31 wrote: »

Beans and lentils are so good for you. Full of fibre and iron.

maybe except if you have the "Celtic Curse", Haemochromatosis, should really get checked for things like that before you start doing anything daft with your diet

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Haemochromatosis/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Haemochromatosis might not be a well-known word, but this iron-related disease can lead to organ and tissue damage, and death.

And it has a particular relevance for Irish people: we have the highest rate of sufferers in the world

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kunst nugget · 15-01-2016 10:57AM

Good article counteracting some of the hyperbole in the show, the risks associated with drastically altering your diet and promoting the notion of everything in moderation:

http://lovindublin.com/opinion/we-can-blame-sugar-all-we-like-but-were-only-creating-more-problems-for-ourselves

A great article counteracting some of the claims made by wellness gurus and the rise of Muesli-belt malnutrition - where children were suffer as a result of the excessively restrictive diets that their health-conscious middle-class parents have developed:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/12/clean-food-is-a-dangerous-fad/

TheChizler · 15-01-2016 11:28AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

http://lovindublin.com/opinion/we-can-blame-sugar-all-we-like-but-were-only-creating-more-problems-for-ourselves

Counter hyperbole with hyperbole!

kunst nugget · 15-01-2016 11:39AM

TheChizler wrote: »

Counter hyperbole with hyperbole!

What part is hyperbole?

TheChizler · 15-01-2016 11:49AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

What part is hyperbole?

It's not the worst but the article makes it seem like the programme said sugar was the only issue affecting overweight.Sure it was the focus, but they didn't discount any other factors.

Ceist_Beag · 15-01-2016 12:01PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

What part is hyperbole?

well for a start nobody is claiming we should completely avoid sugar so why make the argument that we should avoid drastic measures such as avoiding sugar completely?
The article was every bit as dramatic and exaggerated as the documentary it is slamming so it loses credibility as a result. Sure there are some valid points in there (such as bigger portions being a problem) but others are exaggerated or if not inaccurate at least open to debate. For example to say sugar is not addictive is debatable - perhaps sugar on it's own is not but sugar combined with fat certainly would be considered addictive by many and the show was by no means stating sugar on it's own is addictive so why slam it on this point!
We can all make up our own mind on these things but her article is open to just as much criticism as the documentary she is attacking ... for the very same reasons!

colossus-x · 19-01-2016 02:31AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Good article counteracting some of the hyperbole in the show, the risks associated with drastically altering your diet and promoting the notion of everything in moderation:

http://lovindublin.com/opinion/we-can-blame-sugar-all-we-like-but-were-only-creating-more-problems-for-ourselves

A great article counteracting some of the claims made by wellness gurus and the rise of Muesli-belt malnutrition - where children were suffer as a result of the excessively restrictive diets that their health-conscious middle-class parents have developed:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/12/clean-food-is-a-dangerous-fad/

In respect of the first link; I've never read such absolute bullcrap in all my life. Karen Coglan the author who has a very aptly named twitter account (@theNutCoach) could not possibly be a serious nutritionist as she claims. I would go through all her points but you know , I won't , because what she says is so unbelievably stupid that I feel she's deliberately winding people up , so I won't rise to it.

Sugar Crash on Rté what a load of

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