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Why no Istanbul thread?

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  • #62
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Rezident wrote: »
    I don't think it's because it's Turkey and not France. It's getting to the stage where a lunatic Islamic bombing is not 'news' anymore, it's just what they do. I think there's just so many fundamentalist muslim atrocities going on on a daily basis that it's genuinely hard to keep up with them all. There actually must be a suicide bombing planning committee in Turkey who went through all the hassle of setting up the attack, then it goes off as planned, and they barely get any press coverage, they must be gutted, the poor little evil, brainwashed fools.

    Maybe we should stop giving them the publicity they clearly crave so much. Just ignore them until they've blown most of themselves up and mop up the rest with drones.

    It's unfortunate that ignoring them while they blow themselves up will not save us from being blown up along with them when they decide to share the experience.


  • #63
    Azalea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Azalea


    This finger-pointing at people for not caring requires starting a thread about every atrocity in the world even in order to be consistent.
    I dislike it - it depicts people as awful and heartless and callous when we're mostly not, we're just flawed, well-meaning humans.


  • #64
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,099 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    irishgrover wrote: »
    well thank god all brits didn't think like you in the 70's and 80's when a very small minority of catholic irish people supported something similar....

    If you are suggesting that the IRA are anything similar to Islamic State then you are very deluded. The IRA conducted a campaign against British forces who occupy Northern Ireland and denied the Catholics their human rights and allowed Loyalist bigots to run roughshot over the Irish Nationalist community there. The IRA were justified in what they did, they defended our Kith and our Kin against British imperialism and institutionalised sectarianism. The forced the British into the 1997 good Friday agreement which thankfully has brought relative peace back to their communities. The troubles were as much a Class warfare as they were about Nationalism.

    Islamic State today are brutal murderers driven by their barbaric and hateful religion; Wahhabi Sunni Islam, the majority of British people were sympathetic to the Irish plight wheras a large amount of Muslims are sympathetic to Islamic State and their medieval barbaric ways.


  • #65
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Because eventually you grow immune to these types of atrocities. The region is stuck in a never ending cycle of violence fanned mostly by religion. If thats how they choose to live then fine, it really is none of our business. We should have learned by now not to stick our noses into the middle east.


  • #66
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    Stinicker wrote: »
    If you are suggesting that the IRA are anything similar to Islamic State then you are very deluded. The IRA conducted a campaign against British forces who occupy Northern Ireland and denied the Catholics their human rights and allowed Loyalist bigots to run roughshot over the Irish Nationalist community there. The IRA were justified in what they did, they defended our Kith and our Kin against British imperialism and institutionalised sectarianism. The forced the British into the 1997 good Friday agreement which thankfully has brought relative peace back to their communities. The troubles were as much a Class warfare as they were about Nationalism.

    Islamic State today are brutal murderers driven by their barbaric and hateful religion; Wahhabi Sunni Islam, the majority of British people were sympathetic to the Irish plight wheras a large amount of Muslims are sympathetic to Islamic State and their medieval barbaric ways.

    I do not think they were justified in bombing a Shopping Center in a Irish rich Manchester, or the RIRA bombing Omagh (after GFA was signed) or any other Civilian target like Enniskillen.

    But yes, they are not like ISIS. At least the IRA had the manners , most of the time to give a warning in advance and the cop on to make sure that they don't get caught up in the scene.


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  • #67
    Azalea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Azalea


    Lt Dan wrote: »
    I do not think they were justified in bombing a Shopping Center in a Irish rich Manchester, or the RIRA bombing Omagh (after GFA was signed) or any other Civilian target like Enniskillen.
    Exactly. Finding justification in those is deplorable.


  • #68
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Azalea wrote: »
    This finger-pointing at people for not caring requires starting a thread about every atrocity in the world even in order to be consistent.
    I dislike it - it depicts people as awful and heartless and callous when we're mostly not, we're just flawed, well-meaning humans.

    It's perfectly normal to worry about terrorist incidents closer to home anyway, despite this moronic virtue signalling.

    Added to that this atrocity was top of the news today and the number of deaths was much lower than Paris.


  • #69
    Corpus Twisty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭Corpus Twisty


    Have we figured out why there isn't a thread on this yet?


  • #70
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    murpho999 wrote: »
    It's all over the news today, everywhere, and Istanbul is in Europe.

    Well yes and no. Some of its in Asia some of it is in Europe.


  • #71
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    OP it's not that people think one life is worth more than another life but it needs to be put in context. If your best friend died tomorrow you'd probably be upset, you'd go to the funeral, share memories and shed a few tears, now if your friend didn't die but someone's friend somewhere in Thailand dies would you mourn their passing, shed some tears and go to their funeral? No is the answer I bet. Doesn't mean one life is worth more than another's but it needs to be closer to what you know to have an effect.


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  • #72
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Corpus Twisty wrote: »
    Have we figured out why there isn't a thread on this yet?

    There isn't a thread on this. This isn't a thread on this. This is a thread on why there isn't a thread on this.

    Keep up.


  • #73
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Corpus Twisty wrote: »
    Have we figured out why there isn't a thread on this yet?

    Because of racism.


  • #74
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    questionmark? wrote: »
    Well yes and no. Some of its in Asia some of it is in Europe.

    Well it's splittng hairs but where this attack happened it is Europe.

    To everyone, else, I think people are misunderstanding my point and also showing ignorance about Turkey.

    Istanbul is a major cosmopolitan world city not some far flung Asian outpost. It is an important city for trade and tourism and of major historical value.

    Therefore it is a major tourist attraction. When I was there last year the place was crawling with tourists and where the attack was today, is a major tourist centre and tourists would have outnumbered the locals.

    Therefore 9 western tourists died and it could just have easily been Irish people involved.

    It was an attack on Western people and is different to previous incidents in Turkey, such as Ankara last October, and that's why I'm surprised it was not being discussed here. Maybe my OP could have been worded better but it did make major world news today and would have expected it to be mentioned here.


  • #75
    bruno1x
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 182 ✭✭bruno1x


    The chickens have come home to roost.


  • #76
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Stinicker wrote: »
    The IRA were justified in what they did, they defended our Kith and our Kin against British imperialism and institutionalised sectarianism.

    There is no justification for nailbombing innocent people.


  • #77
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Islamic State have murdered 9 German citizens in Istanbul this afternoon. So not only do Germans risk getting raped and killed in their home country it now seems they are targets overseas also. No points for guessing the religion or Nationality of those responsible.

    Suicide bombers? Id say they were Japs


  • #78
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,099 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Isaiah wrote: »
    There is no justification for nailbombing innocent people.

    This is not the thread to discuss the merits or otherwise of what was a very dark chapter in Irish history, I was merely just trying to highlight that Islamic State and the IRA were two totally different ideologies and represented the antithesis of one another.


  • #79
    Azalea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Azalea


    Stinicker wrote: »
    The IRA were justified in what they did
    No they weren't.


  • #80
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Figures are only an estimate at the moment and subject to revision:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


  • #81
    NotYourYear20
    Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭NotYourYear20


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Why no Istanbul thread?

    Probably because it's cooler to make the French tricolour your new profile picture on DopeFacebook.


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  • #82
    irishgrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    Stinicker wrote: »
    If you are suggesting that the IRA are anything similar to Islamic State then you are very deluded. The IRA conducted a campaign against British forces who occupy Northern Ireland and denied the Catholics their human rights and allowed Loyalist bigots to run roughshot over the Irish Nationalist community there. The IRA were justified in what they did, they defended our Kith and our Kin against British imperialism and institutionalised sectarianism. The forced the British into the 1997 good Friday agreement which thankfully has brought relative peace back to their communities. The troubles were as much a Class warfare as they were about Nationalism.

    Islamic State today are brutal murderers driven by their barbaric and hateful religion; Wahhabi Sunni Islam, the majority of British people were sympathetic to the Irish plight wheras a large amount of Muslims are sympathetic to Islamic State and their medieval barbaric ways.

    1. I'm not deluded at all thank you very much.
    2. Your revisionist view of IRA activities is so skewed it's actually entertaining (such as the unrecognised irony in your reply) - although so entrenched and factually incorrect it would strongly indicate that there is no point in discussing it with you -- so lets agree to disagree
    3. Yes, there are many similarities between the IRA and other terrorist organizations, including IS - the primary similarity being
    a.) They kill people - many being totally innocent
    b.) They claim to represent people they clearly don't represent
    c.) This can cause a backlash against many others from a similar background eg on occasion Irish being targeted by yobs/fascists/nationalists in England in the 70's / 80's
    d.) This situation leads to a lot of hyporbole, and extremist views, which can often be adopted by more extremist / more ignorant / less intelligent citizens, especially amount the extreme nationalist type organisations. For example Hitler fans in the '30's, or to a lesser extent Trump supporters today...

    However back to your original questioning of my post. You thought that my original post was about comparing IIS with the IRA, which is was not. (At the time I did not even realise that you believed terrorism was justified.)

    My post was directly related to your hyporbole on Germans being rapped at home and murdered on holidays, and you're extremely lazy inference that there was some collective responsibility on a entire country or an entire religion became of this......similar to some Combat 18 skinhead 20 years ago grumbling about "fackin' Paddies coming over here and blah....."
    It is my opinion that this type of lazy/ignorant generalisation should be challenged, so I did.


  • #83
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Hey murpho999, I notice it's been over 7 hours since the Pakistan bomb attack at the polio centre. Why have you not started a thread about it? Do you not care for Pakistani lives as much as Turkish lives?


  • #84
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,903 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    murpho999 wrote: »
    You can't have it both ways. You asked for evidence that I provide very clearly and then you say it doesn't really count.

    You said "people". That was 1 person, and it was clearly tongue in cheek. You only started the thread to have a dig anyway and take the moral high ground.

    Boko haram just bombed a mosque in Cameroon this morning, does this not warrant a thread...you don't think they people of Istanbul are more important do you? Strange logic.


  • #85
    melissak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭melissak


    BlibBlab wrote: »
    If two murders happened today, one in Dublin and one in London, which one do you think people in Ireland would be more interested in?

    Depends on the social demographic of the person I'd say. Rich, pretty person rated highest.


  • #86
    bear1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,894 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Has anyone else noticed that during these types of Isis threads the IRA is usually thrown into the mix?
    How people can compare the two is beyond me.
    Both are atrocious but ISIS are in their own league.
    Op, just because a thread wasn't started doesn't mean that no one cares.
    The previous Paris attacks happened during two euro qualifiers games and in one of the games the bombs went off.
    Its horrible what has happened to those people but I don't think it matters where it has happened. You mentioned a few times that Istanbul is not a back water Asian city, if it were would it make it less significant?


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