Sugar Crash on Rté what a load of

sideswipe · 12-01-2016 11:05AM

rafatoni wrote: »

There is sugar and salt in everything, avoiding them is a non runner unless you drink water and eat grass 24/7.

This kind of programs our out every few years and they are getting a bit boring really...

we have had about a million diets in the last 10 years and at thee time they were the best thing ever, now we have a new one. alas this will be the one.

Atkins
Paelo
Low carbs
No sugar
Juice diet...
5 and 2..

Its very simple folks, good balanced diet and everything in moderation with good excercise. it works wonders trust me...

I agree with you. But the point of last nights program was to alert people to the real dangers of hidden sugar.
I bet the parents of the kid who had 12 teeth removed from drinking apple juice thought they were doing the right thing, sure it says 1 of your 5 a day on the pack!
My point is there are people who don't realise just how much sugar is in our food, so while they may believe they are eating a balanced diet they have most likely used up their daily allowance of sugar eating a 'healthy' breakfast.

squonk · 12-01-2016 11:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. I think the biggest issue with sugar though, is that it's often hidden and we need to be more aware of where those sugars are hidden. Companies make out that products are healthy by calling them "low fat" but they're in fact, not healthy. Muller light yogurts - for example. Jars of Dolmio sauce etc.

If we can get people eating food they've prepared/cooked themselves, eating natural versions of the food they're eating (natural yogurt with fresh berries added instead of a strawberry yogurt say or homemade bolognese) then we would have a lot less obesity to worry about.

Preparing your own food is the key for sure. I make my own soups and dinners so I'm realtively in control of the amount of sugar and fat going into them however I'm not completely in control as you need to add stock cubes or some small things like siracha to food sometimes to add taste. I don't think it's realistic to avoid sugar but you can minimise it as much as possible. It's not worth going crazy over either. I was surprised lately when I went to a voluntary health screening here in work before Christmas that results showed I had had very little processed sugar int he past 3 months. While I wasn't expecting to be borderline diabetic given my diet, I thought it'd be higher as I'll hapilly eat a bar of chocolate if I want one and do like a few sweet things at the weekend so, it's not overly hard either. I got rid of sugary drinks, juices and sweets. Taht's pretty much it and ate less bread. Nothing too dramatic. I'm nowhere near a health nut either so perhaps it shows just how much sugar is in snack food in general!

endacl · 12-01-2016 11:51AM

TheChizler wrote: »

Important message but that Eva is way too hyperbolic at times. I've never been able to figure out just what type of doctor she is either...

I'm always a bit wary of nutritionists and the like, a-la Dara O'Briain, they give the right message in general but they tend to over complicate and medicalise what is really pretty simple.

Y'see, the trick is to choose an area. Mate sure it's a straightforward one. Vastly over complicate it in order to create a professional space into which you can insert yourself. Voila!

12-01-2016 11:57AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

There's sugar in fruit folks.

The issue is added sugars, not natural sugars that occur in fruits. Eating a whole fruit rather than drinking fruit juice is the way go to......

12-01-2016 12:00PM

sideswipe wrote: »

I agree with you. But the point of last nights program was to alert people to the real dangers of hidden sugar.
I bet the parents of the kid who had 12 teeth removed from drinking apple juice thought they were doing the right thing, sure it says 1 of your 5 a day on the pack!
My point is there are people who don't realise just how much sugar is in our food, so while they may believe they are eating a balanced diet they have most likely used up their daily allowance of sugar eating a 'healthy' breakfast.

Couldn't agree more

. Nail on the head!
We all know moderation etc etc..... But most people try to give their kids healthy foods by giving them juices and "health bars" and are giving them pure sugar!! That is the point of this programme..... Kids losing all their teeth at the age of 8 FFS. You CANNOT be complacent about this and say it's boring !!!

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 12-01-2016 12:01PM

It was a useful and timely programme. I work with a French woman who moved to Ireland about three years ago. She was shocked at the number of overweight people here, and the amount of processed and sweet junk we eat.

I remember when I was a child we used to be amazed at how fat a lot of the American tourists were. They really stood out against Irish people. Now, there is little or no difference. We need to start hugely reducing the amount of processed foods, ready meals, and takeaways we eat and go back to looking on them as something we eat now and again for convenience. Likewise, children need to go back to seeing fizzy drinks and sweets as a treat, not an everyday event.

OmegaRed · 12-01-2016 12:14PM

Sugar will go the way of cigarettes in a few years....

I started with a personal trainer for about 4 months a couple years ago and he made me buy and cook all of my own food from scratch. I am not gonna lie, I didn’t enjoy it as much as something I’d buy from the local spar (A pot of chicken curry was my favorite thing to buy) but by god, the results were amazing….. In 8 weeks I had lost 5kgs and reduced my body fat from 22% to 15%. I had loads of energy and slept like a log… The effects of sugar are real and anyone who denies it or thinks the can consume it in large quantities and still be healthy are joking themselves….

I find a good rule of thumb is by looking at the sugar content in the ingredients. You can’t escape sugar completely but you can drastically reduce it… anything that’s more than 5g of sugar per 100g goes back on the super market shelf. Sauces are a killer for added sugar.

I was reading recently that the WHO has reduced the RDA from 50g to 25g (4.2g is 1 teaspoon is that’s 6 teaspoons per day). A can of coke has 56g of sugar…..

Advice that I was given that I try to stick by:

everything in moderation is key
Have a small amount of fruit in the morning times and increase your green leafy veg intake throughout the day
Drink plenty of water. 2 litters of water a day is a myth. Your pee and how often you pee will tell you exactly how hydrated you are
Everyone deserves comfort food. A take away on a Friday night isn’t going to kill you, but a takeaway on Friday, Saturday and Sunday can and probably will have huge helath implications for you in later life
Products that are being sold as ‘Low Fat’ will usually have a very high sugar content
Products where the sugar makes up close to 100% of the carbohydrates should be avoided (see cans of coke)
Repeated again - everything in moderation is key

12-01-2016 12:32PM

squonk wrote: »

I'll hapilly eat a bar of chocolate if I want one and do like a few sweet things at the weekend so, it's not overly hard either.

See, I don't actually have a problem with sugar in sweets and biscuits and cake! Because they're sweets and biscuits and cake and you eat them knowing that you're eating sugar.

I like cake.

Taboola · 12-01-2016 12:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

See, I don't actually have a problem with sugar in sweets and biscuits and cake! Because they're sweets and biscuits and cake and you eat them knowing that you're eating sugar.

I like cake.

Agree.

It's the hidden sugars that people don't know about that need to be brought to attention. For example: a bolognese jar of sauce has a lot of unnecessary sugar.

Penny Tration · 12-01-2016 12:41PM

Taboola wrote: »

Agree.

It's the hidden sugars that people don't know about that need to be brought to attention. For example: a bolognese jar of sauce has a lot of unnecessary sugar.

I wouldn't have known that before watching Fed Up tbh

um7y1h83ge06nx · 12-01-2016 12:42PM

Taboola wrote: »

Agree.

It's the hidden sugars that people don't know about that need to be brought to attention. For example: a bolognese jar of sauce has a lot of unnecessary sugar.

It's been at least 5 or 6 years now since I've bought pasta or curry sauces. I particularly like making our own curries, Asian shops are extremely cheap to buy herbs and spices for making your own sauces, we have huge bags of cumin, chilli, coriander, basil, oregano etc.

Taboola · 12-01-2016 12:43PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

I wouldn't have known that before watching Fed Up tbh

Exactly. A lot of people are completely unaware.

As much as I don't like Eva I don't think the show was all bad. If it educates people to eat better food then I'm all for it.

Penny Tration · 12-01-2016 12:44PM

Taboola wrote: »

Exactly. A lot of people are completely unaware.

As much as I don't like Eva I don't think the show was all bad. If it educates people to eat better food then I'm all for it.

I don't like her either, but like you, it's good if it's educating people.

We all know there's sugar in cakes, biscuits and sweets like whoops said, but making people aware of hidden sugars can only be a good thing, even if the person telling us is supremely annoying :pac:

Dial Hard · 12-01-2016 01:57PM

Graham Ashy Court wrote: »

It's been at least 5 or 6 years now since I've bought pasta or curry sauces. I particularly like making our own curries, Asian shops are extremely cheap to buy herbs and spices for making your own sauces, we have huge bags of cumin, chilli, coriander, basil, oregano etc.

That was one of the things on that show that really annoyed me - they introduced the Ryan family as "health conscious" and then showed the mother reading the label on a jar of curry sauce in the supermarket.

Just, no. You do not buy jarred sauces and then proclaim yourself to be health-conscious.

Tbh, I would have thought that people who eat that way (tinned soup, jars of sauce, flavoured yoghurts etc.) were the exception rather than the rule but I'm beginning to think that a) I'm in the minority for thinking that most people cook from scratch and b) incredibly naive for being of that opinion for so long.

I watched "Fed Up" last year and nearly gave myself eye-strain from rolling them so vigorously at how often they stated the completely bleedin' obvious (imo) in it, and kind of thought that a lot of the stuff covered in it wouldn't necessarily apply to Irish people at large because our relationship with food and our food market is extremely different to the US. But clearly that's not the case.

hardCopy · 12-01-2016 02:01PM

OmegaRed wrote: »

Advice that I was given that I try to stick by:
everything in moderation is key

Have a small amount of fruit in the morning times and increase your green leafy veg intake throughout the day

Drink plenty of water. 2 litters of water a day is a myth. Your pee and how often you pee will tell you exactly how hydrated you are

Everyone deserves comfort food. A take away on a Friday night isn’t going to kill you, but a takeaway on Friday, Saturday and Sunday can and probably will have huge helath implications for you in later life

Products that are being sold as ‘Low Fat’ will usually have a very high sugar content

Products where the sugar makes up close to 100% of the carbohydrates should be avoided (see cans of coke)

Repeated again - everything in moderation is key

A takeaway a week is going to be too much for most people, unless you're seriously on the ball 6 days a week. First Friday of the month would be a safer bet. Even then, why be so hard on yourself all week long for the sake of 30 minutes indulgence once a week and feeling like crap the next morning?

Or just learn to cook your favourite meals and sit down in front of the telly on Friday with a homemade curry, pizza or fish and chips.

Dial Hard wrote: »

Tbh, I would have thought that people who eat that way (tinned soup, jars of sauce, flavoured yoghurts etc.) were the exception rather than the rule but I'm beginning to think that a) I'm in the minority for thinking that most people cook from scratch and b) incredibly naive for being of that opinion for so long.

Sadly not. All day today people will be telling their dietitian how they generally eat well. Meaning they only use low fat dolmio, eat brown rolls, low fat yoghurts, WeightWatchers lasagne, low fat garlic bread, just a small bar with their lunch, they only fry with olive oil and only have 1 Chinese a week. All washed down with a feed of pints of course.

brevity · 12-01-2016 02:05PM

One thing that annoyed me was they recommended choosing the sugar free baked beans over normal baked beans but neglected to check the price.

I was in Super Valu recently and went to get some ketchup, was checking the options and noticed that sugar free ketchup comes in a smaller bottle and is more expensive than regular ketchup.

This is the type of thing that annoys me.

retro:electro · 12-01-2016 02:06PM

This doc was a complete rip off of 'Fed Up' on Netflix, they even used a lot of their footage. Laughable really.

hardCopy · 12-01-2016 02:13PM

brevity wrote: »

One thing that annoyed me was they recommended choosing the sugar free baked beans over normal baked beans but neglected to check the price.

I was in Super Valu recently and went to get some ketchup, was checking the options and noticed that sugar free ketchup comes in a smaller bottle and is more expensive than regular ketchup.

This is the type of thing that annoys me.

Specialty and lower volume items are always more expensive. A huge portion of the cost goes on packaging, transport and shelf space.

If trends change and the demand for low sugar ketchup surpasses the current recipes it will eventually become a commodity and drop in price.

Spar launched their own brand of soft drinks last year, a lot cheaper than branded drinks. All of their range are sugar free as far as I can tell, they didn't even bother with a non-diet version so there are signs that the trend is moving away from sugar in some areas.

Ruby31 · 12-01-2016 02:18PM

brevity wrote: »

One thing that annoyed me was they recommended choosing the sugar free baked beans over normal baked beans but neglected to check the price.

I was in Super Valu recently and went to get some ketchup, was checking the options and noticed that sugar free ketchup comes in a smaller bottle and is more expensive than regular ketchup.

This is the type of thing that annoys me.

Yep, that annoyed me too. You can get a 4 pack of beans for next to nothing, but opt for the reduced sugar and its a lot more expensive.

Flatzie_poo · 12-01-2016 02:28PM

Dial Hard wrote: »

Just, no. You do not buy jarred sauces and then proclaim yourself to be health-conscious..

Well you can, once your diet is balanced...

I'd like to think that if I'm in a complete rush one day, food from a jar is an option once there's not overindulging...

One or two now and again is fine.

colossus-x · 12-01-2016 02:32PM

brevity wrote: »

One thing that annoyed me was they recommended choosing the sugar free baked beans over normal baked beans but neglected to check the price.

I was in Super Valu recently and went to get some ketchup, was checking the options and noticed that sugar free ketchup comes in a smaller bottle and is more expensive than regular ketchup.

This is the type of thing that annoys me.

Sugar isn't put in foods to make us sick. In addition to making the product tasty it's used to cut costs to produce the product. If sugar isn't used the cost to produce the products go up.

lertsnim · 12-01-2016 02:45PM

anna080 wrote: »

This doc was a complete rip off of 'Fed Up' on Netflix, they even used a lot of their footage. Laughable really.

Everybody rips everyone off in tv so as many shows on this subject are made. They used the same footage? Ever hear of stock footage?

Haw haw indeed.

retro:electro · 12-01-2016 02:52PM

lertsnim wrote: »

Everybody rips everyone off in tv so as many shows on this subject are made. They used the same footage? Ever hear of stock footage?

Haw haw indeed.

But it was basically the same documentary rehashed, to a lower standard though. A lot of the material was exactly the same, same songs in the background, same tests done just with Irish families involved.

Flatzie_poo · 12-01-2016 02:58PM

lertsnim wrote: »

Everybody rips everyone off in tv so as many shows on this subject are made. They used the same footage? Ever hear of stock footage?

Haw haw indeed.

Yeah, shame on us for expecting some originality.

:rolleyes:

squonk · 12-01-2016 03:17PM

I'm enjoying this discussion! Makes achange from the usual fare here in Television!
I think if you cook for yourself it's hard to believe that not everybody does it but, then again, I can see why as well. I'd class cooking as one ofmy hobbies and am pretty interested in it. If you try out various recipes for things, such as mayonnaise or bechamel, you realise just how much fat or sugar goes into those sauces, even when you are making them at home. If you look at how a regular jar of souce is produced you can really taste the salt for starters, you don't notice the sugar but they have to be balancing the acidity of the tomatoes in those sauces some way!

The problem is though that not everybody is into cooking. My interest led me to an interest in the components of food. Eating well also takes preparedness. I'll whip up a batch of tomato sauce to portion out and freeze every so often. I have it to hand then if I need it but I wouldn't expect somebody who isn't that pushed to bother. I can't realy fault people for reaching for the jar of WeightWatchers lasagne sauce if they decide that's what they'd like for dinner. On a personal level I wouldn't go near a jar for a curry or bolognese because what I'd knock up myself would be far tastier, but require far more time and effort overall.

As for takeaways, yes they're a treat. I limit them now as much as I can. If you cook all the time though you do need a change every so often and I do have a takeaway next door that does some really excellent Thai food, the like of which I wouldn't come close to making myself. They'll always get a turn from me every so often however I do know I can knock up a decent pot of curry which, if you've read the Indian Restaurant Curries thread over at The Cooking Club on Rec\Food & Drink, will easilly be far healthier than the takeaway version. Personally I think anyway that Indian takeaways here pale in comparision to their UK couhnterparts.

Speaking of juice, it was one of the main things my nutritionist told me when I met her after my illness was to steer clear of fruit juices. I had heard anyway that juice does contain a lot of sugar so it wans't a huge step for me to cut it out.

sideswipe · 12-01-2016 03:19PM

anna080 wrote: »

This doc was a complete rip off of 'Fed Up' on Netflix, they even used a lot of their footage. Laughable really.

That was my first though to. However this program was made to reach an Irish audience. If you don't have access to Netflix, Apple TV etc you won't have seen Fedup. I've been trying to get my 60 year old pre-diabetic father to watch Fedup for a while now, he was watching last night because it was on a prime time, pre advertised slot. Hopefully He'll take some food for thought (pardon the pun) away with him after watching it, rather than have his know it all son pester him about his diet!

Dial Hard · 12-01-2016 03:26PM

anna080 wrote:

But it was basically the same documentary rehashed, to a lower standard though. A lot of the material was exactly the same, same songs in the background, same tests done just with Irish families involved.

Because they needed to make it relevant to Irish people.

A lot of the people featured in Fed Up were at the extreme end of the scale even for the US. If RTE had just bought the rights to that and broadcast it, a huge number of Irish people would immediately dismiss the message, going "None of that applies to me", even though a lot of it clearly does.

It's absolutely nothing new to take a programme format and localise it.

mackeminexile · 12-01-2016 03:46PM

pepe silvia wrote: »

Thats my point..fat was wrongfully demonized the same as sugar is now.

The World health organisation also said pork products cause cancer..if there was equally dramatic show on rte telling people to stop eating sausages i dont think it would be as well received as the anti sugar message is here and rightfully so, i dont think we should stop eating either

No, they didn't. They said that eating processed meat such as Pork can raise the chances of some cancers and they're correct. Added sugar is a real problem, it's not just called sugar in the ingredient list either. Fructose, sucrose etc. All fast absorbing sugars that cause a glycogen spike and force the body to dump insulin. type 2 diabetes is a direct result of too much sugar in the diet, not too much fat.

retro:electro · 12-01-2016 03:57PM

Dial Hard wrote: »

Because they needed to make it relevant to Irish people.

A lot of the people featured in Fed Up were at the extreme end of the scale even for the US. If RTE had just bought the rights to that and broadcast it, a huge number of Irish people would immediately dismiss the message, going "None of that applies to me", even though a lot of it clearly does.

It's absolutely nothing new to take a programme format and localise it.

I appreciate that, and I know it's usually done. However this documentary wasn't just an updated version applicable to Irish people, it was a complete and utter rip off. Half of the information we saw given by industry specialists came from Fed Up, they just made it look like these big shot specialists in the USA took time from their schedule to inform Irish audiences of the dangers of sugar. Misleading and I believe plagiarism.

squonk · 12-01-2016 04:21PM

Not having seen either but presumably those interviews can be licenced from someone/somewhere or perhaps the makers bought in FedUp with a development licence to localise it. I['d hardly go as far as screaming plagiarism. I think we're all accepting that sugar is bad for us. If those interviews are out there, why not include them. I don't see a major problem with it. I know for a fact that my parents would switch over if they were watching a health documentary narated by and american and featuring american examples whereas Dr. Eva will make them sit up and take notice. Personally I think in this case that the message is mpre important than the medium and if it helps a few people to change their diet and not develope diabetes then how can you fault it?

Sugar Crash on Rté what a load of

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