Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

Rayne Wooney · 05-01-2016 03:03PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

They raped her in the trailer and murdered her in the garage.

Stabbed her once each then Avery shot her, as per Brendan's confession.

You can read his full confession here

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zwkqpsq58wio3cm/dassey_okelly_5_12_06.pdf?dl=0

how was there no blood spatter or bleach in the garage?

DDC1990 · 05-01-2016 03:30PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The buildings were like something out of Hoarders with stuff everywhere and dirt he wouldn't have been able to explain away him scrubbing the place down with bleach days after a woman is murdered that he was the last to see.

They searched those buildings well and didn't find a murder scene, if an area had been bleached it would have been a big piece of evidence.

The lack of murder scene is really baffling if you take it Avery or one of the family did it.

They raped her in the trailer and murdered her in the garage.

Stabbed her once each then Avery shot her, as per Brendan's confession.

You can read his full confession here

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zwkqpsq58wio3cm/dassey_okelly_5_12_06.pdf?dl=0

How can you believe that confession? He continuously tries to tell one story,the one where he was playing Playstation, took a call at 6 from Blaine's boss, then went over to SA, went around collecting stuff for the fire, stayed and chatted and went home.

Everytime he says that he is told its not true that he was in the bedroom, that he saw her and that he raped her.

Then his story changes. Until he says what he is meant to say.

The line where he says he looked away when Teresa was shot, because he "can't look at that sort of thing", is telling. This coming from a guy who apparently raped, beat stabbed and slit the throat of a young woman, but he couldn't bare to see her shot.

I'm 100% sure that Dassey had nothing to do with the Murder and is just a dumb kid who was tricked and intimidated into lying himself into a Murder confession.

Not so sure about Avery. He's not a particularly nice character, but a large amount of the evidence has certainly been planted. The key and the bullet come to mind. Teresa's blood in the back of the RAV4 makes no sense either, if Avery was the killer.

Bobby Dassey and the step father Scott,both lied under oath and they seem to be hiding some key information.

wardides · 05-01-2016 04:21PM

Has nobody asked why Blaine's boss was ringing, whilst Blaine was out trick or treating.

How bloody old is Blaine?

Mightydrumming · 05-01-2016 04:31PM

Interesting news!

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/684373410038718464

marklazarcovic · 05-01-2016 05:34PM

Mightydrumming wrote:

Interesting news!

Im not surprised in the least tbh

Elmo · 05-01-2016 06:45PM

Just started watching The Jinx it is like the complete opposite of Making a Murderer.

Brilliant how he used self-defense, you have to respect those 2 Texas lawyers.

You know signs of future problems

1. Killing a Cat
2. Killing your mother (though he may not have admitted to that I still think he did it, I haven't finished watching the series).

Sunflower 27 · 05-01-2016 06:50PM

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Im not surprised in the least tbh

Well, it is what most people thought. I just don't know how anyone could live with it on their conscience that they put two men away for life, or close enough.

That would tear me apart.

I suppose fear can do that. I wonder what else is going to come out now. The floodgates are opening!!

enfant terrible · 05-01-2016 06:59PM

pearsquasher wrote: »

Truly gripping doc and well produced - no commentary voice-overs, no long-winded recaps and full of high drama and cliffhangers.

As for the case... jesus i've no clue. All parties seem oddly unemotional to me but maybe that cos we're blasted my over-emotion on normal tv/film dramas?

Lets say Avery didn't do it... then that's one hell of a cover-up/planting of evidence... never mind the requirement to "obtain" the body.

- was she killed by a cop who foresaw the ease at which he could frame Avery? That's doubtful given all the steps required and also the atrocious idea of murder-to-frame

- was she simply found dead somewhere and then her and her car handled in a very complex way to frame Avery? Moving them, hiding them, planting evidence, destroying the body etc. It just seems utterly crazy.

It actually seems more likely that Avery killed her out of lust and had a sort of psychological dependency on incarceration/notoriety . Could it be possible? Could he have found some weird meaning in his life, from his previous experiences, that led him to actual murder? Fascinating stuff.

I totally disagree with signing a petition based on a tv show. I'd leave further avenues to the innocence project people who seem keen on exploring options given the lack of care in the hands of the cops/courts.

How anyone can believe anyone but Avery killed her is amazing too me.

Conspiracy level theories.

enfant terrible · 05-01-2016 07:09PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

how was there no blood spatter or bleach in the garage?

The “CSI effect”

According to Mr Durnal, prosecutors in the United States are now spending much more time explaining to juries why certain kinds of evidence are not relevant. Prosecutors have even introduced a new kind of witness—a “negative evidence” witness—to explain that investigators often fail to find evidence at a crime scene.

http://www.economist.com/node/15949089

Why didn't the defense bring on a expert explaining why the garage should be overflowing with DNA evidence?

Someone on here said here head would explode like a watermelon when shot, seems some of the people on here knew more than the defense team.

jcsoulinger · 05-01-2016 07:14PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Conspiracy level theories.

What does this even mean?

enfant terrible · 05-01-2016 07:16PM

jcsoulinger wrote: »

What does this even mean?

Theories about what happened with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Mightydrumming · 05-01-2016 07:16PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Conspiracy level theories.

What?? Elaborate please

Dominic Court · 05-01-2016 07:20PM

Spent 2 nights looking at the 10 episodes. How Steven Avery was convicted without any credible evidence is hard to take. No blood in his home, no blood in his work shop. no blood around where the fire pit was. No marks on the bed, where Teresa was said to be tied. No questions asked how the pin hold got into his sample of blood from previous trial. Why was not all the blood samples for DNA not tested in Teresa's car.

Why was her boyfriend not questioned. She disappears for a couple of days as say noting.

So many questions need to be answered.

A retrial for both Steven and Brendan, would answer a lot of questions.

jcsoulinger · 05-01-2016 07:21PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Theories about what happened with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Oh right I get ya conspiracy theories that are at a conspiracy level shocking!

Mightydrumming · 05-01-2016 07:21PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Theories about what happened with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Do you believe that there was proof beyond reasonable doubt?

enfant terrible · 05-01-2016 07:29PM

DDC1990 wrote: »

How can you believe that confession? He continuously tries to tell one story,the one where he was playing Playstation, took a call at 6 from Blaine's boss, then went over to SA, went around collecting stuff for the fire, stayed and chatted and went home.

Everytime he says that he is told its not true that he was in the bedroom, that he saw her and that he raped her.

Then his story changes. Until he says what he is meant to say.

The line where he says he looked away when Teresa was shot, because he "can't look at that sort of thing", is telling. This coming from a guy who apparently raped, beat stabbed and slit the throat of a young woman, but he couldn't bare to see her shot.

I'm 100% sure that Dassey had nothing to do with the Murder and is just a dumb kid who was tricked and intimidated into lying himself into a Murder confession.

Not so sure about Avery. He's not a particularly nice character, but a large amount of the evidence has certainly been planted. The key and the bullet come to mind. Teresa's blood in the back of the RAV4 makes no sense either, if Avery was the killer.

Bobby Dassey and the step father Scott,both lied under oath and they seem to be hiding some key information.

Watching the doc I was sure he was coerced into a confession.

After watching all his interviews in full I am sure he was not coerced into a confession.

I believe he was depressed after what he did, did lose wight because of that, did confess to his cousin.

He confessed because he couldn't hold in the guilt, watch all the videos for yourself.

Anyone believe Brendan read the book Kiss the Girls or any book like that, I don't.

But I do believe he deserves a retrial though.

8-10 · 05-01-2016 07:29PM

Elmo wrote: »

Just started watching The Jinx it is like the complete opposite of Making a Murderer.

Brilliant how he used self-defense, you have to respect those 2 Texas lawyers.

You know signs of future problems

1. Killing a Cat
2. Killing your mother (though he may not have admitted to that I still think he did it, I haven't finished watching the series).

Not sure about point 2 there, are you talking about the Jinx? Putting in spoilers here as there'll be people here who haven't watched the Jinx yet but

Durst was only 7 years of age when his Mother died - surely you're not suggesting he killed her at that age?

However on point 1 there is a definite similarity, spoilers again but this wasn't even mentioned in The Jinx -

Durst had 7 Alaskan Malamute dogs in sequence, he named them all Igor and is rumoured to have killed them all before they were a year old, just kept getting more dogs and then killing them and replacing them with the same type of dog and naming them the same.....very disturbing behaviour.

Sunflower 27 · 05-01-2016 07:34PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Watching the doc I was sure he was coerced into a confession.

After watching all his interviews in full I am sure he was not coerced into a confession.

I believe he was depressed after what he did, did lose wight because of that, did confess to his cousin.

He confessed because he couldn't hold in the guilt, watch all the videos for yourself.

Anyone believe Brendan read the book Kiss the Girls or any book like that, I don't.

But I do believe he deserves a retrial though.

If you don't believe he was coerced into making his confession and if you believe he did murder her then why would you think he deserves a retrial? If you believe he murdered Teresa, then why are you saying a convicted killer should get a retrial?

enfant terrible · 05-01-2016 07:44PM

Mightydrumming wrote: »

Do you believe that there was proof beyond reasonable doubt?

No, both should have a retrial.

Do you believe he was the last person to see her alive, had her vehicle found on his property, hid his no when calling her, asked for her and her alone to be sent to his property, called his nephew twice to come to his trailer the day she disappeared, his DNA found under the hood of her car, bleach stains on Brendan's jeans.

That's just off top of my head.

enfant terrible · 05-01-2016 07:47PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

If you don't believe he was coerced into making his confession and if you believe he did murder her then why would you think he deserves a retrial? If you believe he murdered Teresa, then why are you saying a convicted killer should get a retrial?

Because his defense attorney didn't defend him.

wardides · 05-01-2016 07:53PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

No, both should have a retrial.

Do you believe he was the last person to see her alive, had her vehicle found on his property, hid his no when calling her, asked for her and her alone to be sent to his property, called his nephew twice to come to his trailer the day she disappeared, his DNA found under the hood of her car, bleach stains on Brendan's jeans.

That's just off top of my head.

His property was incredibly large and there were without doubt questions to how the car ended up on the property, especially considering there was a car crusher on the property.

I have my phone on private number. I'm not a killer. I ask the same plumber to come to my house when I've a job for him. If he dies, it's probably not enough to put me as a suspect. I rang my sister 3 times yesterday.

What if there was also a mechanics DNA under the hood of her car? Does that mean he killed her?

I ruined a nice shirt with bleach last week. All over it.

To say "how anybody can think anything other then Steven Avery did it" is probably the most idiotic thing I've seen on the internet. And the internet is full of dumb stuff. It stinks of the usual "I'm going against the grain to be different".

In fact there is no way that anyone can fully trust he did or didn't do it. What we can say is that there is very little reputable evidence to proof without reasonable doubt that he killed her.

Taboola · 05-01-2016 07:53PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

If you don't believe he was coerced into making his confession and if you believe he did murder her then why would you think he deserves a retrial? If you believe he murdered Teresa, then why are you saying a convicted killer should get a retrial?

Because the circumstances around the case (the key, the bullet) are questionable and the fact that 3 jurors had already made their minds up before the trail began raises more questions whether it was a fair trial or not.

enfant terrible · 05-01-2016 07:55PM

wardides wrote: »

His property was incredibly large and there were without doubt questions to how the car ended up on the property, especially considering there was a car crusher on the property.

I have my phone on private number. I'm not a killer. I ask the same plumber to come to my house when I've a job for him. If he dies, it's probably not enough to put me as a suspect. I rang my sister 3 times yesterday.

What if there was also a mechanics DNA under the hood of her car? Does that mean he killed her?

I ruined a nice shirt with bleach last week. All over it.

To say "how anybody can think anything other then Steven Avery did it" is probably the most idiotic thing I've seen on the internet. And the internet is full of dumb stuff. It stinks of the usual "I'm going against the grain to be different".

In fact there is no way that anyone can fully trust he did or didn't do it. What we can say is that there is very little reputable evidence to proof without reasonable doubt that he killed her.

That's a hilarious post, look up Occam's razor.

Don't actually tell me your theory about what happened that day?

long_b · 05-01-2016 07:55PM

One side of SA's extended family seemed to have it in for him in a big way. I wonder why?

wardides · 05-01-2016 08:03PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

That's a hilarious post, look up Occam's razor.

Don't actually tell me your theory about what happened that day?

I'm not arsed making up theories. I just don't think there is enough reputable evidence to say Steven Avery murdered Teresa Halbach.

Elmo · 05-01-2016 08:09PM

8-10 wrote: »

Not sure about point 2 there, are you talking about the Jinx? Putting in spoilers here as there'll be people here who haven't watched the Jinx yet but
Durst was only 7 years of age when his Mother died - surely you're not suggesting he killed her at that age?

However on point 1 there is a definite similarity, spoilers again but this wasn't even mentioned in The Jinx -
Durst had 7 Alaskan Malamute dogs in sequence, he named them all Igor and is rumoured to have killed them all before they were a year old, just kept getting more dogs and then killing them and replacing them with the same type of dog and naming them the same.....very disturbing behaviour.

Your point 1 my point 2

Maybe

Your point 2 my point 1

seriously and avery's dead cat is of concern

Looking forward to finishing The Jinx.

marklazarcovic · 05-01-2016 08:42PM

Can ya talk about the jinx or others in a thread for them,id like to watch them knowing nothing

bennyineire · 05-01-2016 08:43PM

Interesting view from a juror in this link, looks certain to me that both will get a retrial with the publicity this documentary is getting.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/steven-avery-juror-believes-police-framed-2016-1?r=US&IR=T

Thepoet85 · 05-01-2016 08:53PM

bennyineire wrote: »

Interesting view from a juror in this link, looks certain to me that both will get a retrial with the publicity this documentary is getting.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/steven-avery-juror-believes-police-framed-2016-1?r=US&IR=T

Certainly hope so. Regardless if they are guilty or not, they were not granted a fair trial.

Sunflower 27 · 05-01-2016 09:00PM

Taboola wrote: »

Because the circumstances around the case (the key, the bullet) are questionable and the fact that 3 jurors had already made their minds up before the trail began raises more questions whether it was a fair trial or not.

I get that. I just can't understand why if you think he is guilty a retrial is necessary, especially if it may free him.

If you believe he is guilty, he got what be deserved.

Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

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