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Mass sexual assaults covered up for 4 days by German media - READ OP BEFORE POSTING

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    #122
    Uncle Ben
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    Stheno wrote: »
    No there is no excuse, but my point here is that these people have been allowed to settle in Germany, in sub standard accomodation, with what seems to be little assimilation.

    THen they behave as they did at home, and it's contrary to Western behaviour, and we wonder why it happens. They are simply behaving as their culture permits.

    You've nailed the argument in your last sentence.


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    #123
    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,922 ✭✭✭circadian


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Is it just me or weren't the Germans up the ole mass sexual crimes not 70 years ago?

    Among others.

    9 minutes, incredible.


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    #124
    Letree
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    Stheno wrote: »
    I never meant it as an excuse for the behaviour, rather that these people had an expectation of a certain standard of living and now find themselves in dormitories with hundreds of others.

    There have been numerous reports of problems in those camps for want of a better word, and now it seems it's spilling over.

    Germany have managed this badly.

    Why? who gave them that idea. Did they think they were going to come to Europe and get nice houses, jobs etc etc. They were fools if they thought that.


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    #125
    mansize
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Whatever the number is, do you not find it slightly shocking and unprecedented that such a large group would gather for the express purpose of commiting crimes? This has been confirmed by the police. Perhaps you think that the women are making it up?

    Here is a (bad) translation from a German article with accounts from a couple of the alleged victims.

    This behaviour is hardly uncommon in large cities- groping - while wrong happens everywhere and is often defended here on AH


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    #126
    The Sun King
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    Stheno wrote: »
    I never meant it as an excuse for the behaviour, rather that these people had an expectation of a certain standard of living and now find themselves in dormitories with hundreds of others.

    There have been numerous reports of problems in those camps for want of a better word, and now it seems it's spilling over.

    Germany have managed this badly.

    If I was in the dreadful position they were in, I'd be happy enough that myself and none of my children were washing up dead on the shores of Greece. But maybe I have low expectations...


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    #127
    _Kaiser_
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    I can't say I'm surprised unfortunately.. this is what happens when you open the borders to hundreds of thousands of people who subscribe to a belief system that paints its enemies/unbelievers as little more than possessions to be taken and treated however you (the faithful) wish - up to and including rape and slavery.

    What's even more worrying though is that despite the ever-mounting evidence of the problems this open-door policy has created, you STILL have Western liberals trying to justify, excuse and deflect from it - even on this very thread! Taking an ostrich mentality is not the solution either folks!


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    #128
    Corpus Twisty
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    mansize wrote: »
    This behaviour is hardly uncommon in large cities- groping - while wrong happens everywhere and is often defended here on AH

    Eh? 1000 men often gather in most cities and have a mass-grope?? Which cities?:confused: News to me, but then I'm quite thick.


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    #129
    Eutow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Eutow


    Stheno wrote: »
    I never meant it as an excuse for the behaviour, rather that these people had an expectation of a certain standard of living and now find themselves in dormitories with hundreds of others.

    There have been numerous reports of problems in those camps for want of a better word, and now it seems it's spilling over.

    Germany have managed this badly.



    Yes, they shouldn't have accepted thousands and thousands of migrants.

    Nobody seemed to think of where they were going to house these people, the cost of feeding them, clothing them and giving medical treatment. Then you have the social cost.

    The borders should have been closed and individual countries deciding themselves on the amounts they would allow enter, or none if they so wished. The EU and UN demanding quotas can feck off with themselves.


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    #130
    mansize
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    Corpus Twisty wrote: »
    Eh? 1000 men often gather in most cities and have a mass-grope?? Which cities?:confused: News to me, but then I'm quite thick.

    The two groping reports quoted


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    #131
    The_Kew_Tour
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    mansize wrote: »
    Are you a soldier or a journalist??? Why are you in such war torn counties?

    I worked with American broadcaster for 18 months back in 2006-7.mentioned this before in other posts. 2-3 posters can back it up, but that's another matter.

    I'm not saying I know more then anyone, I just know that what Europe is doing is a good thing, just not the right way.

    I have the deepest sympathy for refugees, but I know for pretty much fact that they're High enough minority that are there for more dangerous reasons

    Go to Malmo in Sweden or Brussels walk around some of those streets and then people will know why some are concerned.

    I just don't want to see women get raped, I don't Want see children get raped. I don't want Gays getting hanged, I don't want people to murder or blow themselves up over religion(we don't want The North on bigger scale), I don't want division and hate in people.

    But we are making a right **** up of this crisis and if it's not sorted we be living in extremely dangerous society within 10-15 years in Western World, make no bones about it.

    It's bed time :)


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    #132
    darkpagandeath
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    mansize wrote: »
    This behaviour is hardly uncommon in large cities- groping - while wrong happens everywhere and is often defended here on AH

    Then you will have no bother linking to it happening in one area with 500 odd people involved in doing it at the time.


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    #133
    Uncle Ben
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    Corpus Twisty wrote: »
    Eh? 1000 men often gather in most cities and have a mass-grope?? Which cities?:confused: News to me, but then I'm quite thick.

    Newcastle on a Saturday night.☺


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    #134
    ceadaoin.
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    mansize wrote: »
    This behaviour is hardly uncommon in large cities- groping - while wrong happens everywhere and is often defended here on AH

    Perhaps groping is common in large cities (although I can't recall seeing it being defended on here?) A group of 1,000 men gathering and groping/assaulting/robbing people is far from common, and you know it. In fact, it's unheard of.


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    #135
    darkpagandeath
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Perhaps groping is common in large cities (although I can't recall seeing it being defended on here?) A group of 1,000 men gathering and groping/assaulting/robbing people is far from common, and you know it.

    I smell an NGO.....


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    #136
    mansize
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Then you will have no bother linking to it happening in one area with 500 odd people involved in doing it at the time.

    Two reports of groping- not 500, unless I misread the quote - two were in that piece


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    #137
    darkpagandeath
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    mansize wrote: »
    Two reports of groping- not 500, unless I misread the quote - two were in that piece

    What is your definition of common then...


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    #138
    Letree
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    The Sun King wrote: »
    If I was in the dreadful position they were in, I'd be happy enough that myself and none of my children were washing up dead on the shores of Greece. But maybe I have low expectations...

    Or they could have stayed in Turkey or Lebanon where they were already safe from the war in Syria. They took a risk with their lives and the lives of their children for the prospect of a more lucrative life in Europe.


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    #139
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    mansize wrote: »
    Two reports of groping- not 500, unless I misread the quote - two were in that piece

    Two victims were quoted in the article. However, There were more than 2 reports of groping as confirmed by the police chief (a large number according to him) It's really not that hard to understand.

    And if you think that the incidents as quoted in that article are common in large cities, you're wrong.


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    #140
    Uncle Ben
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    Freak Midget wrote: »
    From the local.de

    "Around 60 complaints have been made to the police in Cologne after a group of around 1,000 men attacked revellers in the city centre in a brutal and “completely unheard of” way, Wolfgang Albers, Chief of Police in the Rhineland city said at a press conference on Monday afternoon."

    Around a third of the complaints were of sexual assault, regional paper Express reported.

    “There was a very large number of sexual assaults there - and in a massive way. Women were grabbed and attacked,” said Albers, adding that in one case the alleged crime fitted the legal definition of rape.

    “The crimes were committed by a group of people who from appearance were largely from the north African or Arab world,” the police chief added.

    A group of around 500 men between the ages of 15 and 35 assembled at the central train station and in the area of the cathedral before throwing firecrackers into the masses of people celebrating the arrival of the new year.

    This appears to have been a means of causing distraction, as during the disturbance groups of young men entered the crowd where they sexually assaulted women and pick-pocketed revellers."

    This is from the Chief of Police in Cologne.

    Memo for Mansize.


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    #141
    mansize
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Two victims were quoted in the article. However, There were more than 2 reports of groping as confirmed by the police chief. It's really not that hard to understand.

    No, but 20 isn't uncommon either. It's not right, but people need to wind their necks in.


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    #142
    darkpagandeath
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    mansize wrote: »
    No, but 20 isn't uncommon either. It's not right, but people need to wind their necks in.

    Link please..... Why have I never witnessed this groping epidemic or had female friends or relatives talk to me about it.


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    #143
    mansize
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    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    Memo for Mansize.

    I read that- 1 sexual assault in a city on NYE and numerous gropings. Not right but not uncommon


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    #144
    mansize
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Link please.....

    Freak midges quote 1/3 of 60


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    #145
    [Deleted User]
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    mansize wrote: »
    No, but 20 isn't uncommon either. It's not right, but people need to wind their necks in.
    In a group it is. I think if we're gonna ask people to wind their necks in it'll be the thousand or so who gathered before throwing fireworks, pickpocketing and groping.


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    #146
    emo72
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    mansize wrote: »
    No, but 20 isn't uncommon either. It's not right, but people need to wind their necks in.

    20 sexual assaults at the one time and place is not uncommon? where?


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    #147
    mansize
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    In a group it is. I think if we're gonna ask people to wind their necks in it'll be the thousand or so who gathered before throwing fireworks, pickpocketing and groping.

    Well all those facts need to be verified.


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    #148
    mansize
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Then you will have no bother linking to it happening in one area with 500 odd people involved in doing it at the time.

    Where is the link of 500 groping???


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    #149
    darkpagandeath
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    mansize wrote: »
    I read that- 1 sexual assault in a city on NYE and numerous gropings. Not right but not uncommon

    Link to this data....


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    #150
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    mansize wrote: »
    No, but 20 isn't uncommon either. It's not right, but people need to wind their necks in.


    It's very uncommon that they are perpetrated by the same large group of individuals who gathered for the express purpose of commiting crimes isn't it?


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    #151
    darkpagandeath
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    mansize wrote: »
    Where is the link of 500 groping???

    You are the one saying it's not uncommon ????


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