Working visa for girlfriend..

steo 24 · 23-12-2015 07:42AM #1

Hi guys,

Was wondering if you could really help me out here.
My girlfriend is in a bad situation at home, she's of non eu nationality but lives in Switzerland.
Her parents are forcing her into marriage next summer so she needs to get out of there.
I'm trying to find a solution, if any.. To get her here to Ireland but the problem is that she doesn't have an eu passport (she has a Macedonian one)

Any solutions?
How do foreign nationals get into Ireland and manage to get a stamp 3 or 4?

SoftMicro · 23-12-2015 08:17AM

Some of the stuff to do in order to get a partnership visa is you'd have to show evidence that you're living together for at least 2 years. That includes bank accounts, bills or leases in dual names. Show all proof of relationship by printing emails, Facebook messages to each other etc.

Unfortunately another option would be the exact reason why she wants to leave Switzerland in order to be with you in Ireland is to get married here. If you go to registry office and book a date for marriage and she shows a printout of the wedding booking she will get a stamp up to the date of the wedding. After marriage she would then get the stamp 4.

It's not an easy thing to do especially if not living together or if the relationship is less than 2 years. It can take many months to obtain a visa.

steo 24 · 23-12-2015 08:59AM

And how long can the marriage date go up to?
As in if I went to the registry and booked for a marriage date for let's say in two years. Would that be allowed?

SoftMicro · 23-12-2015 12:26PM

steo 24 wrote: »

And how long can the marriage date go up to?
As in if I went to the registry and booked for a marriage date for let's say in two years. Would that be allowed?

I don't know how long can get date up to. You'd be better asking them. The few people I know that got married to foreign girls here is they arrived a short time before the wedding, like 2-3 months beforehand. Not sure they'd get a temp visa for a couple of years until a wedding date, but couldn't say for sure.

Mrs OBumble · 23-12-2015 01:07PM

Is arranged marriage illegal in Switzerland? Can she approach local law enforcement there?

steo 24 · 23-12-2015 02:55PM

I'm not sure but she's of Macedonian descent.. Its really sad. And I have only been dating this girl 6 months.. To ask her for marriage now.. Seems a bit bizarre but I'm running out of options. Although I do love her..

Dodge · 23-12-2015 02:58PM

Where are you living Steo? What's her immigration status in Switzerland (ie is she allowed reside & work there? How old is she? Is she dependent on her folks?)

Dodge · 23-12-2015 03:01PM

If you just want her to move here and work, then you'll need to find her am employer and hope they can apply for a work permit. It can't be in the majority of work areas though. See here https://www.djei.ie/en/What-We-Do/Jobs-Workplace-and-Skills/Employment-Permits/Employment-Permit-Eligibility/Ineligible-Categories-of-Employment/

Mrs OBumble · 23-12-2015 03:03PM

steo 24 wrote: »

I'm not sure but she's of Macedonian descent.. Its really sad. And I have only been dating this girl 6 months.. To ask her for marriage now.. Seems a bit bizarre but I'm running out of options. Although I do love her..

How many times have you met her in person?

thefinalstage · 23-12-2015 03:04PM

Don't rule out the idea that she may be playing you to get EU citizenship. I don't imagine you have spoken to her parents about this so how are you to know? Even if they did confirm it that could just mean they are in on it.

Just saying.

steo 24 · 23-12-2015 03:09PM

I've met her three times (week each time we met) and we've been talking everyday and so I'm really used to her
And no she's not using it to get the passport, she could get a Swiss passport if she were to stay there another two years but she has this arranged marriage in the summer coming up and things are looking desperate.

I know you may say i might be tricked into the passport game but I'm pretty sure it isn't because I know her in person

Saipanne · 23-12-2015 03:13PM

steo 24 wrote: »

I've met her three times (week each time we met) and we've been talking everyday and so I'm really used to her
And no she's not using it to get the passport, she could get a Swiss passport if she were to stay there another two years but she has this arranged marriage in the summer coming up and things are looking desperate.

I know you may say i might be tricked into the passport game but I'm pretty sure it isn't because I know her in person

Tread very carefully.

steo 24 · 23-12-2015 03:19PM

Lads, I know from my post it sounds a little fishy but she's genuinely a really nice girl. Im pretty sure she isn't looking for a passport here.

chillybilly · 23-12-2015 03:20PM

Arranged marriages aren't a thing in the Balkans unless she's of Albanian Muslim persuasion. There's quite a few of them in Macedonia, but then she'd be lying if she said she was of Macedonian descent. Sounds suspicious.

Saipanne · 23-12-2015 03:22PM

steo 24 wrote: »

Lads, I know from my post it sounds a little fishy but she's genuinely a really nice girl. Im pretty sure she isn't looking for a passport here.

But you're not 100% sure.

strandroad · 23-12-2015 03:27PM

chillybilly wrote: »

Arranged marriages aren't a thing in the Balkans unless she's of Albanian Muslim persuasion. There's quite a few of them in Macedonia, but then she'd be lying if she said she was of Macedonian descent. Sounds suspicious.

Not necessarily, and her family lives abroad so they may subscribe to traditions that are conservative by today Macedonia's standards. It happens.

OP, what age is she? Stay away from anything marriage related, but can she come over on a student visa to learn and work?

I would direct her to Swiss authorities in the first place.

Dodge · 23-12-2015 03:39PM

If she's old enough to have an Irish boyfriend, then she's old enough to either support herself, or stand up to her folks. Give her all the info you can OP, but stay away from marraige

Graham · 23-12-2015 03:43PM

Surely the solution here is for the girl away from her parents. This doesn't necessarily have to mean moving to Ireland, it doesn't necessarily mean she has to move out of Switzerland.

Asmooh · 23-12-2015 03:44PM

steo 24 wrote: »

Hi guys,

Was wondering if you could really help me out here.
My girlfriend is in a bad situation at home, she's of non eu nationality but lives in Switzerland.
Her parents are forcing her into marriage next summer so she needs to get out of there.
I'm trying to find a solution, if any.. To get her here to Ireland but the problem is that she doesn't have an eu passport (she has a Macedonian one)

Any solutions?
How do foreign nationals get into Ireland and manage to get a stamp 3 or 4?

If she speaks german its easy to get a job here in Ireland, work should not be an problem and I dont think visa is either

Mrs OBumble · 23-12-2015 04:28PM

Asmooh wrote: »

I dont think visa is either

Wrong. She's non EU. that means that an employer can only hire her if there is no one in the entire EU who could take the job.

OP, I'd be thinking about

1) Swiss authorities
2) a student visa (though goodness only knows how she'd pay the fees - they're very high for non-EU).

Not marriage.

IMHO

Asmooh · 23-12-2015 05:47PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Wrong. She's non EU. that means that an employer can only hire her if there is no one in the entire EU who could take the job.

OP, I'd be thinking about

1) Swiss authorities
2) a student visa (though goodness only knows how she'd pay the fees - they're very high for non-EU).

Not marriage.

IMHO

I see they removed Swiss from the EEA in '93, sucks!

But: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

From the perspective of the EU, the treaties largely contain the same content as the EEA treaties, making Switzerland a virtual member of the EEA. Most EU law applies universally throughout the EU, the EEA and Switzerland, providing most of the conditions of the free movement of people, goods, services and capital that apply to full member states. Switzerland pays into the EU budget and extended the bilateral treaties to the new EU member states, just like full members did, although each extension requires the approval of Swiss voters in a referendum.

In a referendum on 5 June 2005, Swiss voters agreed, by a 55% majority, to join the Schengen Area. This came into effect on 12 December 2008

n February 2014, the Swiss voters narrowly accepted a referendum limiting the freedom of movement of foreign citizens to Switzerland. The European Commission said it would have to examine the implications of the result on EU–Swiss relations

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area#Membership

Seems like there should be no issue, moving from Schengen to non schengen should not be an issue (Netherlands where im from is also Schengen as example)

Graham · 23-12-2015 05:49PM

Asmooh wrote: »

Seems like there should be no issue

With what?

Mrs OBumble · 23-12-2015 05:49PM

The gf is living in Switzerland. But she's not Swiss, and cannot be for a couple of years. She's current Macedonian.

Asmooh · 23-12-2015 05:51PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

The gf is living in Switzerland. But she's not Swiss, and cannot be for a couple of years. She's current Macedonian.

Oops sorry, if she doesnt have a Swiss passport, then its a complete different story.
But if she is granted access to swiss permanent then she is allowed to move within the schengen anyway I think ireland also, but im not sure.

steo 24 · 23-12-2015 07:50PM

Asmooh wrote:

Oops sorry, if she doesnt have a Swiss passport, then its a complete different story. But if she is granted access to swiss permanent then she is allowed to move within the schengen anyway I think ireland also, but im not sure.

She has Swiss perm residency. Is there anyway I can work around with this?

Ill try and stay away from marriage.. But it's coming to the point where things are getting pretty bad for her.. Parents are already in talks with the marriage preparations so I need to get her out of there..

Dodge · 23-12-2015 07:53PM

She needs to get out herself mate. It's that simple.

What age is she?

bmwguy · 23-12-2015 08:17PM

Are you paying for any of this or just arranging paperwork? Don't pay for anything. Think of it as a test to see if she is happy to pay herself or not. If she lives in Switzerland she likely has a few quid to cover expenses. I had a situation like this before and the girl was already in Ireland. We were together about 6 months so I knew, or thought I knew her, well. From another European country that would not be wealthy. I sorted out a few things for her for work etc but she then claimed she owed an old boyfriend money for a car she crashed on him and until that was paid off she couldn't really move on from him as he was close to the family and all this kind of rubbish. The amount and story kept changing. I didn't mind paying for nights out etc when I could see where the money was going, it was only once a week anyway nothing major. But then the requests started coming and she said we should stop eating in nice places, going out on the town etc. Gave me the whole guilt trip. Then I found out it was a current boyfriend and they had no intention of splitting up. Her sister, who lived in Ireland for years and years told me as she didn't approve of her sisters bull**** and just wanted her to get a career of her own and stop using men. I got out of there fairly quickly. But I have a suspicion she was going to bail too because I wasn't handing over cash. That was 3 years ago never heard of her since then a few weeks ago she called me she is obviously stuck again. Phone put down fairly lively it was. So please be careful this has happened to hundreds and thousands of people. Some of these ladies have turned it into an art form. She was a brilliant girlfriend, everything I could have asked for had a great 6 months but delighted I am out with very minor damage. In short, do the work, put in the time and research she might be genuine but if cash requests start coming, decline and check for her response. She might accept it for a while and get you back in her good books but if it gets raised again you know your answer.

steo 24 · 23-12-2015 08:25PM

Definitely will see how things go. If requests come I'll make sure I'm on the ball..and she's 21 for your info

Rhys Essien · 23-12-2015 08:43PM

OP,be very careful.A friend of mine met a foreign girl in her country,treated her like a queen,bought her anything she wanted.He then married her.When he finally got her to Ireland she done a legger after a few weeks.She then took him for thousands more.The lad hasn't been right since.

steo 24 · 23-12-2015 08:48PM

I got ya. I know what to look out for.. But for now, I'll try to get this visa thing sorted out

Borzoi · 24-12-2015 09:18AM

chillybilly wrote: »

Arranged marriages aren't a thing in the Balkans unless she's of Albanian Muslim persuasion. There's quite a few of them in Macedonia, but then she'd be lying if she said she was of Macedonian descent. Sounds suspicious.

Double down on this. I've been to Macedonia, best man at a wedding there too. Because neither the groom or myself spoke Macedonian, the authorities insisted on interpreters for the civil ceremony - one of the questions asked was regarding freely entering into the marriage.

Reeks of week old fish your girls story. Sorry

Working visa for girlfriend..

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