Begging with a child

InReality · 23-12-2015 02:01PM #1

So saw this today.

What's the likelyhood of a woman being homeless with a young child in dublin.
I'd thought they come top of the priority list ?

Horrible to see someone exploiting a child like that.

23-12-2015 02:03PM

Some emergency accommodation rules mean that they have to be out of the building between 10am and 6pm.

seamus · 23-12-2015 02:10PM

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Some emergency accommodation rules mean that they have to be out of the building between 10am and 6pm.

I don't believe this is the case for families placed into emergency accommodation.

libelula · 23-12-2015 02:12PM

InReality wrote: »

Horrible to see someone exploiting a child like that.

Yes. Our government and society as a whole have a lot to answer for.

Samaris · 23-12-2015 02:13PM

It's an odd one. On the one hand, it feels like a deliberate tug at the heartstrings "My child is cold and hungry because no-one will help us! Why won't you help my child?" On the other, well, if a person is begging because they actually have no other recourse (maybe they're new to the country and don't know where to go for help, etcetera), where -can- they leave a small child for hours on end alone?

Meeh. Hard to say really. I hear an awful lot about how beggers are just spongers and have places to go and can feed themselves just fine (and no doubt there -are- people that act in a totally despicable manner and make things horrendously harder for the truly desperate), but I do also see people who are sleeping in doorways on cold or rainy nights, which suggests they really do have a desperate situation.

23-12-2015 02:19PM

seamus wrote: »

I don't believe this is the case for families placed into emergency accommodation.

Unless it has been changed recently, unfortunately it certainly was the case.

I know one family who were put into a B&B - they weren't allowed to lock the door of their room, so the mother pushed one of the two single beds (between mother and 2 daughters) up against the door at night as she was so worried that one of the other residents would come in through the night.

She had to be out at 10am and not allowed back until 6 - I know a few people who were in similar circumstances, but the above the only one I know of for certain with children involved.

Hopefully you're right though Seamus, and that things have changed.

bear1 · 23-12-2015 02:27PM

InReality wrote: »

So saw this today.

What's the likelyhood of a woman being homeless with a young child in dublin.
I'd thought they come top of the priority list ?

Horrible to see someone exploiting a child like that.

How do you know they were homeless?

23-12-2015 02:31PM

bear1 wrote: »

How do you know they were homeless?

She doesn't - that's why she asked

bear1 · 23-12-2015 02:32PM

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She doesn't - that's why she asked

Ah yes, sorry I saw no ? so figured it was a rhetorical question.
How do you know OP is a she HMM?!?! HMMMMMM?!?!? :P

draiochtanois · 23-12-2015 02:34PM

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Spanish Eyes · 23-12-2015 02:35PM

Brother Kevin's Capuchin Day Centre is where a lot of those who are turfed out for the day go. He's a good man and is not on a massive salary either.

It's my go to charity for donations.

http://www.capuchindaycentre.ie/Capuchin_Day_Centre_2013/Capuchin_Day_Centre_for_Homeless_People.html

23-12-2015 02:38PM

libelula wrote: »

Yes. Our government and society as a whole have a lot to answer for.

And the mother doesn't?

OP, what makes you say they're homeless? There are many making a good living from begging and having a child/baby is only a ploy and isn't necessarily that womans own child.

23-12-2015 02:39PM

bear1 wrote: »

Ah yes, sorry I saw no ? so figured it was a rhetorical question.
How do you know OP is a she HMM?!?! HMMMMMM?!?!? :P

I actually have no idea

23-12-2015 02:41PM

draiochtanois wrote: »

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How do you know who the poster elected to government? How do you know that she isn't one of the ones who gives her free time to help others?

Seems a strangely defensive post.

c montgomery · 23-12-2015 02:43PM

libelula wrote: »

Yes. Our government and society as a whole have a lot to answer for.

As a society no we don't, more is spent on helping homeless now than ever before, more column inches and broadcasting hours.
Over 25k is spent per homeless person currently.
I'm sick of hearing of this homeless crises!!!

Ally Dick · 23-12-2015 02:47PM

OP do they look Irish or foreign ? I'd believe that they are milking it if they were non-Irish

Samaris · 23-12-2015 03:01PM

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And the mother doesn't?

OP, what makes you say they're homeless? There are many making a good living from begging and having a child/baby is only a ploy and isn't necessarily that womans own child.

Ally Dick wrote: »

OP do they look Irish or foreign ? I'd believe that they are milking it if they were non-Irish

See, that's where the problem comes in. Furrinors are obviously all criminals, but no Irish would do such a thing.

Although I'm not sure where the logical conclusion is that she nicked a sprog from somewhere. People tend to get upset about random kidnapping.

Kat1170 · 23-12-2015 03:01PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

OP do they look Irish or foreign ? I'd believe that they are milking it if they were non-Irish

Winner of stupidest question of the year !!!!

How the funk does a person look Irish ????

Samaris · 23-12-2015 03:02PM

Kat1170 wrote: »

Winner of stupidest question of the year !!!!

How the funk does a person look Irish ????

Dark hair, blue/grey eyes.

I assume he means that they don't look Roma, black or Arab.

draiochtanois · 23-12-2015 03:02PM

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FalconGirl · 23-12-2015 03:06PM

draiochtanois wrote: »

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A government elected on false promises have a lot to answer for in my opinion. Yes the economy is growing however the social fabric of the country is in ruins. Health and housing policy has been disastrous under the coalition.

Graces7 · 23-12-2015 03:12PM

If they are roma... in Donegal Town a fewyears back a wee boy begging playing a violin and later in Ballyshannon in cold and rain, a man with a little girl who he was making dance barefoot in a thin cotton dress. Oh and here in Kerry one summer a local 6 year old busking in a very vulnerable situation. The roma by the way had good accommodation; the wee lad was being yelled at so i went to eh Gardai and they knew all about that family...

Mary63 · 23-12-2015 03:13PM

The only people who beg with children are the Roma community,can I say this without being called a racist as we all can see with our own eyes that its the truth.

The giveaway is the gold wedged between the front teeth.

Don't give them as much as a cent,they are driven in from all over Dublin and some of the children hidden in the blankets are old enough to be in school,these people are beyond reform.

Call the Gardai and they will take take action.The parents will be back on the streets the following day though.

Graces7 · 23-12-2015 03:15PM

FalconGirl wrote: »

A government elected on false promises have a lot to answer for in my opinion. Yes the economy is growing however the social fabric of the country is in ruins. Health and housing policy has been disastrous under the coalition.

Compared with almost any other country..... I have family working with the homeless in Canada. Where there were at the last audit almost 3 million people living rough on the streets. By the way the news reports here use the term " homeless" inaccurately; internationally that means living rough. If they are in emergency accommodation they are not homeless. Social welfare is so bad there there many families have to choose between paying the rent and eating. We have been feeding such families for Christmas.Many here overreached financially and are paying for that now.

Penny Tration · 23-12-2015 03:16PM

Mary63 wrote: »

The only people who beg with children are the Roma community,can I say this without being called a racist as we all can see with our own eyes that its the truth.

The giveaway is the gold wedged between the front teeth.

It's not the truth.

I've seen Irish women and men have kids out begging with them.

A family from my area, gran, mum, teenage son, teenage daughter and 10-ish year old all go begging daily in the city centre.

It's most certainly not all Roma people. They absolutely do it too, but Irish also do it.

Graces7 · 23-12-2015 03:19PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

It's not the truth.

I've seen Irish women and men have kids out begging with them.

A family from my area, gran, mum, teenage son, teenage daughter and 10-ish year old all go begging daily in the city centre.

It's most certainly not all Roma people. They absolutely do it too, but Irish also do it.

Not from need. Just taking advantage. Like the kids I see busking..parents exploiting kids .. no international barriers.

Samaris · 23-12-2015 03:22PM

Mary63 wrote: »

The only people who beg with children are the Roma community,can I say this without being called a racist as we all can see with our own eyes that its the truth.

The giveaway is the gold wedged between the front teeth.

Don't give them as much as a cent,they are driven in from all over Dublin and some of the children hidden in the blankets are old enough to be in school,these people are beyond reform.

Call the Gardai and they will take take action.The parents will be back on the streets the following day though.

You can say it all you like, it still doesn't make it true. I've seen children on the streets plenty of times. In fact, I was approached by a man with a small child the other day who was begging for food rather than money. He wasn't Roma, by the way.

23-12-2015 03:26PM

I presume that if a person is a genuine beggar and needs money, they have to bring kids with them as they are hardly going to be paying for child care?

Ally Dick · 23-12-2015 03:26PM

Kat1170 wrote: »

Winner of stupidest question of the year !!!!

How the funk does a person look Irish ????

Roma beggars tend to have a tan. Irish don't get a tan in December unless they've been on holidays

bear1 · 23-12-2015 03:38PM

This thread will end in racism i bet.

seamus · 23-12-2015 04:01PM

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I presume that if a person is a genuine beggar and needs money, they have to bring kids with them as they are hardly going to be paying for child care?

Well let's be honest here, nobody has to beg. Social welfare payments and emergency accommodation are always available.

Also if someone is unable to provide care for their own children, the state will put them into foster care, which has to be better than dragging them around the streets all day.

I know that's all very simplistic from up here on my ivory throne, but ultimately nobody is left with begging as their only option. They are always either "employed" as a beggar, or otherwise unemployable due to mental issues or substance abuse.

Begging with a child

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