Student fakes terminal illness to con her lecturer

starry_eyed · 22-12-2015 05:12AM

That is horrible, she ruined that woman's life for no reason and took advantage of her kindness. Sick bitch.

22-12-2015 08:20AM

Pure prank.

darkpagandeath · 22-12-2015 08:24AM

Maybe not just believe what people say ? Teacher seems to be a complete idiot with no life skills.

Buona Fortuna · 22-12-2015 08:45AM

I can see a film script here.

22-12-2015 09:56AM

was the student not just adopting the 'sick role' in a desperate need for love and attention, so it was a metal health issue. Its very creepy and she obliviously knew how to pick her victim it would be interesting to know more about her background.

LeeLooLee · 22-12-2015 10:01AM

An File wrote: »

Approximately 1% of the population, I believe.

That's actually quite a lot of people though. 10 psychopaths in my village. :eek:

LeeLooLee · 22-12-2015 10:01AM

mariaalice wrote: »

was the student not just adopting the 'sick role' in a desperate need for love and attention, so it was a metal health issue. Its very creepy and she obliviously knew how to pick her victim it would be interesting to know more about her background.

And the question is, why would you bother??? A 'normal' young woman would be busy with her friends, boyfriend, having fun. Not sitting in a hospital cafe pretending to be terminally ill.

darkpagandeath · 22-12-2015 10:34AM

LeeLooLee wrote: »

That's actually quite a lot of people though. 10 psychopaths in my village. :eek:

Psychopath is chucked around far to much, There are very dangerous diagnosis yes. Most are just very black and white and very good at making decision. People hear Psychopath and think chopping up people and painting the blood on the walls.

Little CuChulainn · 22-12-2015 10:38AM

Hammer89 wrote: »

Are psychopaths not mentally ill?

No, they are just wired differently, like paedophiles. Some people are just born bad and there is no fixing them.

asherbassad · 22-12-2015 10:47AM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

This sounds very harsh but was your one not a bit of a sap to fall for all this.

I feel sorry for her but she seems ridiculously naive.To take anyone into your home unless you know them extremely well and no their family in my opinion is just insanity.

Ah yes.....blame the victim. There's always one.

asherbassad · 22-12-2015 10:50AM

Stheno wrote: »

No it's estimated that something like 90% of world/work leaders are psychopaths

There's a kink that makes the truly evil ones go nuts.

Is that not sociopaths?

22-12-2015 10:52AM

asherbassad wrote: »

Ah yes.....blame the victim. There's always one.

Well maybe, but what were the factors in the victim that made the perpetrator pick them?, it is odd that she didn't make any enquiries in to the girls background before she invited her to live with her. Maybe she had some need she had fulfilled by helping this girl.

tritium · 22-12-2015 11:52AM

Its easy to say the victim was naive here but it doesn't factor in his total and overwhelming the degree of manipulation is in cases like this. Remember that she was living with this evil bitch so basically was subject to her influence on a full time basis. I'd consider it a form of brainwashing in some ways, where the proximity of the abuser gives them much more scope to control the abuse.

Its also IMHO frustrating when people default to making excuses for the abuser - she has mental issues etc. It seems to be a social conditioning we've all embraced in the last few years that every time certain types of criminal get caught we default to how they're vulnerable or a victim themselves. It actually cheapens cases where there is genuinely an underlying issue that was missed at some point. The reality is some people do evil things and society needs face up to that- pretty much everyone who commits crime could point to factors that made them the person they are, but not everyone with those factors make those choices.

My take is a far longer sentence would have been appropriate here

GLaDOS · 22-12-2015 12:09PM

That is one of the most bizzare cases I've ever read about.

Regarding psychopathy, I don't believe psychologists distinguish it from sociopathy.

Gael23 · 22-12-2015 12:13PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

This sounds very harsh but was your one not a bit of a sap to fall for all this.

I feel sorry for her but she seems ridiculously naive.To take anyone into your home unless you know them extremely well and no their family in my opinion is just insanity.

My thoughts as well. Most people would put 2 and 2 together at some stage.

22-12-2015 12:33PM

tritium wrote: »

Its easy to say the victim was naive here but it doesn't factor in his total and overwhelming the degree of manipulation is in cases like this. Remember that she was living with this evil bitch so basically was subject to her influence on a full time basis. I'd consider it a form of brainwashing in some ways, where the proximity of the abuser gives them much more scope to control the abuse.

Its also IMHO frustrating when people default to making excuses for the abuser - she has mental issues etc. It seems to be a social conditioning we've all embraced in the last few years that every time certain types of criminal get caught we default to how they're vulnerable or a victim themselves. It actually cheapens cases where there is genuinely an underlying issue that was missed at some point. The reality is some people do evil things and society needs face up to that- pretty much everyone who commits crime could point to factors that made them the person they are, but not everyone with those factors make those choices.

My take is a far longer sentence would have been appropriate here

Having mental health issues is not an excuses for braking the law, it is just a
acknowledgement that they have mental health issues they are still subject to the law by society.

It is not an either or situation.

tritium · 22-12-2015 12:39PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Having mental health issues is not an excuses for braking the law, it is just a
acknowledgement that they have mental health issues they are still subject to the law by society.

It is not an either or situation.

I actually fully agree with you. However we have moved to a situation where for many advocates it actually is an excuse, a mitigant, a reason to temper justice. Frankly it gets a bit jaded when case after case comes accompanied by a long and favourable psychiatric report outlying the perpetrators courageous journey to righteousness. In some cases they can even have several of these journeys over their criminal career. As I said it actually cheapens the genuine cases that need to properly addressed because the default becomes a lesser sentence rather than ensuring appropriate treatment is provided

wakka12 · 22-12-2015 01:53PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

Are psychopaths not mentally ill?

I don't believe so. Its not an 'illness' , just a state of being. It is the lack of ability to feel remorse or empathise with other human beings, I don't believe there is any way of improving the 'condition'

Being a psychopath isn't ideal, if there were many more in society than there are Im sure it would lead to some kind of break down of the good human nature we rely on in each other for society to work. But if theyre not doing anything illegal, which most psychopaths do not, then theres no reason to call it an illness.

wakka12 · 22-12-2015 02:00PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

Not everybody on the planet is a world leader though. So in the scheme of things, what percentage of people are psychopaths? If it's bizarrely low, it's hard to argue that they're normal and not afflicted with a mental illness.

I don't think affliction rates are a good gauge of whether something should be classed as a mental illness or not. Being a psychopath has a relatively small impact on the quality of life of the person affected when compared to other mental illnesses such as depression or schizophrenia. Being transgender is much less than 1% of the population and has a largely negative impact on the quality of life of a person but it is not a mental illness obviously

wakka12 · 22-12-2015 02:04PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

No, they are just wired differently, like paedophiles. Some people are just born bad and there is no fixing them.

Being a paedophile doesn't make you a bad person. Thats along the lines of people in the past thinking gay people were bad just for being gay. Paedophiles can't help it, and their sexual orientation isn't harming children as long as they don't act on it.
Child molesters are disgusting people, paedophiles are not. Paedophiles need help and guidance, not to be marginalised from society. That will only lead them to feel even worse than they probably already do about themselves.

josephryan1989 · 22-12-2015 03:56PM

The deception calls to mind the infamous story of Robert Hendy-Freegood who destroyed the lives of several people who he convinced that he was a British intelligence agent. Several of the women he manipulated became his lovers and bore him children while both his female and male victims cut ties with their families, operating "undercover" supposedly spying on the IRA while working menial jobs and living in squalor. Hendy-Freegood conned them and their relatives out of their life savings supposedly to pay for spy school but in fact to fund his extravagant lifestyle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hendy-Freegard

Buona Fortuna · 22-12-2015 04:09PM

^^

Never heard of him before. Thanks for the link. Its a remarkable story.

Dr. Mantis Toboggan · 22-12-2015 04:10PM

Gaygooner wrote: »

If it was in a soap you wouldn't believe it

A very bad soap!

josephryan1989 · 22-12-2015 05:13PM

What this girl did to one person is what con artists, cult leaders, mainstream religious leaders, leaders of extremist terrorist groups and indeed leaders of countries do on a mass scale. Regular people can fall under the influence of charismatic people and ideologies and lose their individuality by abandoning reason and common sense in a kind of reversion to childhood. Christmas works in the same way. Otherwise intelligent people following a herd, buying cheap plastic crap for people they don't know through a desire to comply with the order to love compulsorily people whom they loath 11 other months of the year. Living in thrall to a person like this is like living under a one party state.

Sunflower 27 · 23-12-2015 04:07AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Maybe not just believe what people say ? Teacher seems to be a complete idiot with no life skills.

How is believing you are helping someone 'no life skills'? What a ridiculously uninformed opinion. The vast majority of people that help people are not deceived like this.

This woman believed she was helping a young woman that was dying and had been rejected by her family.

topmanamillion · 23-12-2015 04:19AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I don't believe so. Its not an 'illness' , just a state of being. It is the lack of ability to feel remorse or empathise with other human beings, I don't believe there is any way of improving the 'condition'

Being a psychopath isn't ideal, if there were many more in society than there are Im sure it would lead to some kind of break down of the good human nature we rely on in each other for society to work. But if theyre not doing anything illegal, which most psychopaths do not, then theres no reason to call it an illness.

It is in fact classed as a mental illness under the DSM V criteria as part of the personality disorders class;
"Antisocial/Psychopathic types have inflated grandiosity and a pervasive pattern of taking advantage of other people."

23-12-2015 09:04AM

I would have thought teachers should be warned about getting too close to students, because people can manipulate. Know of one case where a teacher was meeting a student with profound issues after school hours, talking to her about her life etc. - nothing sexual or sleazy, she just got lured in by her students tale of woe. Got a serious rollicking from the principal when the student went off the rails and it caught the teacher up in the mess a little.

Moving a student in should be just no no no no.

23-12-2015 03:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I would have thought teachers should be warned about getting too close to students, because people can manipulate. Know of one case where a teacher was meeting a student with profound issues after school hours, talking to her about her life etc. - nothing sexual or sleazy, she just got lured in by her students tale of woe. Got a serious rollicking from the principal when the student went off the rails and it caught the teacher up in the mess a little.

Moving a student in should be just no no no no.

This.

Did the lecturer not consult with other faculty/the hospital etc as to what was going on with this girl? Ask for additional assistance, details of treatment/therapies while she was caring for her? Although perhaps the girl would have tried to block any outside help in case they would see through her lies.

mynameis905 · 28-12-2015 03:06AM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

That is one of the most bizzare cases I've ever read about.

Regarding psychopathy, I don't believe psychologists distinguish it from sociopathy.

There are similarities but as far as I know, the prevailing wisdom is that psychopaths are born the way they are. Sociopaths tend to be 'created' by physical/mental abuse during childhood. Sociopaths will be far less planned in how they act out vs the usually carefully considered actions of a true psychopath.

K.P. Egan · 28-12-2015 12:24PM

FrostyJim wrote: »

That is seriously f**ked up. Who the hell does things like that.

Elisa Bianco.

Student fakes terminal illness to con her lecturer

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