Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

Headshot · 08-12-2015 04:52PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Does the point not hold true today? Where would Pogba actually play for us?

And my point still stands. He's only 22 and yes he's inconsistent, you expect that at his age but he would dominate our CM for years to come.

Pro. F · 08-12-2015 04:55PM

Headshot wrote: »

oh wow

He's was only 19!

He's 22 now and all those things are still true. I'm sure if he hadn't wanted to head off to Juve (or get paid more or start for the first team) Fergie would have been happy to give him time to develop and see if he was going to change into a different type of player in time. But Pogba wanted to get to the next level quicker than that (which was fair enough) and he wasn't of a type that fitted into Ferguson's team.

Pro. F · 08-12-2015 04:56PM

Headshot wrote: »

And my point still stands. He's only 22 and yes he's inconsistent, you expect that at his age but he would dominate our CM for years to come.

Not in a Ferguson four man midfield he wouldn't. He's not that type of player.

Edit: and the inconsistency I'm talking about is not from his age. I don't mean that his performances are inconsistent from game to game, I mean that his close control, passing and defensive discipline are inconsistent. He doesn't look like a young central midfielder suitable for a 4411/442. He looks like a young (and brilliant) attacking CM suitable for a more free role.

bucketybuck · 08-12-2015 05:01PM

Headshot wrote: »

And my point still stands. He's only 22 and yes he's inconsistent, you expect that at his age but he would dominate our CM for years to come.

And where would he play in our team?

bangkok · 08-12-2015 05:06PM

yes Valencia did well for 2 years, thats not the issue here. the issue is that we thought that we could lost the best player in the world and it would be ok to sign Valencia.

there were several big name signings available that summer and all of them ultimately moved - we barely mustered a move for any of them.

like who?

massive myth, he was playing in a Blackburn team that conceded 7 at Old Trafford and fergie signed him because he was shouting at the players around him.

he may turn out to be a decent signing, but we are still waiting...and waiting. and waiting. he cost £20m.....and had played 35 premier league games in one of the worst teams in the league. Varane switched to Real for almost half the amount.

We were in for Varane as well, nearly had him but a private meeting by Zidane and he moved to Madrid

we had more than enough wingers at the club at the time, Young was in the last year of his contract and we paid £17m for him, also made him one of the highest played players in Europe at the same time. not many people would call young a great signing, lets be fair here.

ok good signing, agree about his wages

Obertan wasnt even the highest rate prospect in his club, let alone one of them in his country. it was a bizzare signing. Zaha for £16million???

zaha cost no where near that it was all add ons that he never got near

he was offered a fraction of what he was looking for,something that other clubs were willing to pay. he also wasnt played by Ferguson so in both counts, we f*cked up.

He wasn't good enough for the first team, he didn't even stand out in reserve games but he clearly had potential. He was offered 30k a week iirc

we then went off and made Adnan the hightest paid teenager in world football 2 years later...baffling.

don't know about that?

Cantona's Collars · 08-12-2015 05:08PM

Did LVG say in the presser that Carrick is out?

KH25 · 08-12-2015 05:15PM

zerks wrote: »

Did LVG say in the presser that Carrick is out?

Don't think so.

marvsins · 08-12-2015 05:21PM

How would people feel if Utd wrote a cheque for £150m to Everton for Stones, Barkley & Lukaku ?

Would Everton be able to turn it down(new stadium), a one time offer for all three players ?

Jayop · 08-12-2015 05:24PM

marvsins wrote: »

How would people feel if Utd wrote a cheque for £150m to Everton for Stones, Barkley & Lukaku ?

Would Everton be able to turn it down(new stadium), a one time offer for all three players ?

I'd feel like we're getting 3 Everton players for £50m each and I'd probably think that football has actually gone completely mad. Not on of those are worth close to £50m never mind as some kind of special offer for the three.

Absolute madness it would be.

Lord TSC · 08-12-2015 05:33PM

Jayop wrote: »

I'd feel like we're getting 3 Everton players for £50m each and I'd probably think that football has actually gone completely mad. Not on of those are worth close to £50m never mind as some kind of special offer for the three.

Absolute madness it would be.

Each of those are worth 50m each easily in the current climate....

Strumms · 08-12-2015 05:37PM

I don't think Everton would allow it to happen. We could sign two at a push, maybe. The Everton fans would revolt. Even for that money the heart would be ripped out of that team and they'd be unlikely to replace them to anywhere near the same standard.

Out of the three mentioned I'd take Stones in a heartbeat before the two others. Him and Smalling at the back would be quite something.

KH25 · 08-12-2015 05:39PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Each of those are worth 50m each easily in the current climate....

The value really is overseas. PL players are completely overpriced.

bangkok · 08-12-2015 05:43PM

KH25 wrote: »

The value really is overseas. PL players are completely overpriced.

yea neymar £144m

Jayop · 08-12-2015 05:47PM

bangkok wrote: »

yea neymar £144m

Represents better value than the other three, and I'd love us to sign Stones.

Liam McPoyle · 08-12-2015 05:49PM

marvsins wrote: »

How would people feel if Utd wrote a cheque for £150m to Everton for Stones, Barkley & Lukaku ?

Would Everton be able to turn it down(new stadium), a one time offer for all three players ?

Sign em up tbh.

Three of the brightest stars in the PL and they could form the back bone of our team for at least 6 to 7 years, more for the likes of stones.

Combined cost of £25 million a year for the next 6 years, no brainer IMO.

Not a hope in hell it would happen though.

sky88 · 08-12-2015 05:52PM

Lukaku and Stones would be great buys but im still not sure about barkley he reminds me a lot of sterling theres lots of potential but the end product is not there yet.

Giggsy11 · 08-12-2015 05:53PM

Jayop wrote: »

I'd feel like we're getting 3 Everton players for £50m each and I'd probably think that football has actually gone completely mad. Not on of those are worth close to £50m never mind as some kind of special offer for the three.

Absolute madness it would be.

Everton was not even in top 20 forbes list, 20th team was valued around 210 Million pounds.

So if Woody is really thinking about 150M for 3 players, it's easy to buy the whole club.

08-12-2015 05:53PM

Business Cat wrote: »

Sign em up tbh.

Three of the brightest stars in the PL and they could form the back bone of our team for at least 6 to 7 years, more for the likes of stones.

Combined cost of £25 million a year for the next 6 years, no brainer IMO.

Not a hope in hell it would happen though.

A great chance at getting one of them if we don't faff around with the cash in January. Lukaku priority 1

Quandary · 08-12-2015 05:55PM

Not sure about the rest of ye but I think Ross Barkley is far too inconsistent to be paying anything near £50m for him. As for John Stones, I think he's a lovely footballer but I honestly think he can be a bit suspect defensively. He is very young however, and defenders tend not to mature until well into their twenties so he could be an exciting signing.

Lukaku would be my first choice of the 3 mentioned Everton lads. I think he is an absolute beast and could do very well for us. Possible question marks about his work rate though. He can seem a bit on the lazy side.

I'm seriously worried about our chances tonight. I hope we don't limp out after a 0-0 draw.

TheDoc · 08-12-2015 06:16PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

A great chance at getting one of them if we don't faff around with the cash in January. Lukaku priority 1

Lukaku and his agent are never too far away from dropping a line about wanting to play in the CL and for an elite club.

Should definitely test Everton's resolve. Lukaku can't solve everything on his own, but he would be a damn sure improvement and impact. I guess the reality though is that unless it's a sizeable offer, I don't see him moving in January. Nor Kane.

You know mentioned it a few weeks back to friends, while the actualy finer details might have been significantly different being a rival to rival sale, I'm surprised more clubs didn't go in for Dzeko last summer.

I definitely wouldn't have turned my nose up at him arriving. A good striker that got the run around a bit by City.

TheDoc · 08-12-2015 06:21PM

Quandary wrote: »

Not sure about the rest of ye but I think Ross Barkley is far too inconsistent to be paying anything near £50m for him. As for John Stones, I think he's a lovely footballer but I honestly think he can be a bit suspect defensively. He is very young however, and defenders tend not to mature until well into their twenties so he could be an exciting signing.

Unfortunately that is the premium going to be paid for, for young, potential filled English players, transferring to another English team.

You take the hit early on, hoping to gain good years where you either have a player you get a decade from, or you sell for profit, which either way really nulls the initial outlay. The risk being like so many English talents, they don't really have the attitude to reach their potential (most of them) .

Shaw is an example with us. I wasn't convinced at the fee, but I'll bow to those who were more comfortable forecasting his ability. And he definitely swung me from his play this season.

£30m is a pretty ridiculous fee for a 19 year old left back with one years PL experience, but if he comes back from injury and reaches that sort of form again, that will look a bargain in 5 years time.

It puts firmly in focus again the academy and youth structure in the club. The next best thing is out there, and its there for free if your scouts and acadamy are up to it.

I'll never really come around to acadamies being an alternative revenue stream, they should be supplementing the first team with players of substantial quality and standard. While that is tough, and at the top clubs the standard is higher, we really need to see more from our academy and youth players coming through.

TheDoc · 08-12-2015 06:22PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Everton was not even in top 20 forbes list, 20th team was valued around 210 Million pounds.

So if Woody is really thinking about 150M for 3 players, it's easy to buy the whole club.

I guess where there is a caveat is in relation to debt, which most premier league clubs carry. So while you can buy the club for €210m, you also have to take ownership of the debt as well.

Have to say for all the sugar daddies and foreign investment, it's crazy cray how none of them have gone for Everton. Good fanbase, stable premier league club, good youth system etc.

Robson99 · 08-12-2015 06:52PM

marvsins wrote: »

How would people feel if Utd wrote a cheque for £150m to Everton for Stones, Barkley & Lukaku ?

Would Everton be able to turn it down(new stadium), a one time offer for all three players ?

Would take Stones and Barkley in a heart beat. All successful teams have 3 or 4 home national players as the backbone of there team.
Stones, Smalling, Shaw, Barkley with Jones and Lindgard there also would be a super spine to any team.
You need a solid base of home grown players. 11 foreign players wont win you much.

The Moldy Gowl · 08-12-2015 07:03PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Would take Stones and Barkley in a heart beat. All successful teams have 3 or 4 home national players as the backbone of there team.
Stones, Smalling, Shaw, Barkley with Jones and Lindgard there also would be a super spine to any team.
You need a solid base of home grown players. 11 foreign players wont win you much.

That's so utterly stupid.

So Johnny Foreigner won't win you much?
As far as I can tell all the best players in the league have not been English.
English teams get comprehensively beaten by foreign teams.
The English national team get beaten everytime.

If the English national team were put into the premier league they would be no better than upper mid table.
The English method of coaching and developing players is awful compared to foreign countries.

Flint Fredstone · 08-12-2015 07:08PM

England actually have a pretty good squad at the moment. You have to remember that they are being coached by Roy Hodgson and still doing reasonably well.

Robson99 · 08-12-2015 07:10PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

That's so utterly stupid.

So Johnny Foreigner won't win you much?
As far as I can tell all the best players in the league have not been English.
English teams get comprehensively beaten by foreign teams.
The English national team get beaten everytime.

If the English national team were put into the premier league they would be no better than upper mid table.
The English method of coaching and developing players is awful compared to foreign countries.

Utdm Chelsea, Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern, Juve, AC Milan all had a solid base of home nationals. But you probably cant remember back to the Italian teams as is the case with the little lad here. U tube them when you have your homework done

Shanotheslayer · 08-12-2015 07:12PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Utdm Chelsea, Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern, Juve, AC Milan all had a solid base of home nationals. But you probably cant remember back to the Italian teams as is the case with the little lad here. U tube them when you have your homework done

Home players have nothing to do with it, it's their talent that does.

Chelsea won the league last year and off the top of my head, Cahill/Terry where the main English players(Possible forgetting some but can't think of any ATM)

City have been successful winning leagues recently and have little to no ''Home National Backbone''

Edit: And also the countries you actually named have all had world class players which are miles a head of England in that regard.

mcratsix · 08-12-2015 07:20PM

So Fellaini to play at no.10 tonight?
I really hope not but I'd say that's what will happen.
Memphis really deserves a start imo. I'd like to see Memphis, Mata and Lingaard behind Martial.

Robson99 · 08-12-2015 07:24PM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Home players have nothing to do with it, it's their talent that does.

Chelsea won the league last year and off the top of my head, Cahill/Terry where the main English players(Possible forgetting some but can't think of any ATM)

City have been successful winning leagues recently and have little to no ''Home National Backbone''

Edit: And also the countries you actually named have all had world class players which are miles a head of England in that regard.

City have been sh*te in Europe. IMO they are spineless. Might win another league but thats about it. Chelseas win in Europe had a vase of Cahill, Terry, Cole and Lamard.
England were poor when Scholes, Rio, Neville, Beckham, Cole, Sheringham, Butt were our backbone.

unplayable · 08-12-2015 07:24PM

wtf varela rb and fellaini center mid

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