Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

RobertKK · 08-12-2015 01:21PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

team for later??
DDG
Darmian--Smalling
Daley
Young
Carrick
Bastian

Lingard
Mata
Memphis
Martial

knowing LVG though, he will put Fellaini in instead of Memphis and put Mata on the right. that front 4 on saturday was horrific

also a chance Mcnair could start and Daley At LB.

United trained at the stadium yesterday and the Bild thinks it will be

De Gea

Verela--Smalling--Blind--Darmian

Carrick

Bastian----
Lingard----Fellaini----Memphis

Martial

dr.kenneth noisewater · 08-12-2015 01:25PM

RobertKK wrote: »

United trained at the stadium yesterday and the Bild thinks it will be
De Gea
Verela--Smalling--Blind--Darmian
Carrick
Bastian----
Lingard----Fellaini----Memphis
Martial

Mata has been woeful last few games

StringerBell · 08-12-2015 01:38PM

Article from yesterdays Guardian (Daniel Taylor)

didn't realise it was the tenth anniversary of our last European embarrassment. I do remember the calls for Fergie to go though! People can have very short memories and knee jerk a lot!

Louis van Gaal might not have realised when he took his seat in the third-floor suite at Wolfsburg’s stadium that it was 10 years to the day since Manchester United played Benfica in Estádio da Luz and suffered one of the more harrowing ordeals of Sir Alex Ferguson’s last decade in the job.

It might be difficult to believe it now but that 2-1 defeat by Benfica – the first time United had been eliminated from the competition before the knockout stages in 10 years – resulted in a question being asked in the post-match inquest about whether the most decorated manager in British football might pay the ultimate price. The headlines included “End of the Line?” and “Fergie on the Brink”, which clearly look faintly ridiculous given what followed. But that was the climate back then and nobody could be sure how the Glazer family would react in their first season in charge. Roy Keane had just been booted out of the club after one outburst too many and one of the United fan websites responded to the defeat with a piece entitled “Ten Reasons Why Fergie Must Go”, accompanied by a mocked-up picture of his P45, signed by Malcolm Glazer.

A decade on, a lot of United’s supporters who have made their way to Volkswagen territory, where even the stadium is named after the city’s most famous symbol, could probably be excused if they were missing the old warhorse and wondering, perhaps, what might have been but for his advancing years. United arrive in Wolfsburg after an anaemic run of five goalless draws in nine games, scoring seven times in the last 10 matches, and chastened by accusations of repetitive blandness. Ferguson managed another three Champions League finals after that dismal night in Lisbon, plus five Premier League titles and two League Cups. It is not a stretch to look at the current Premier League, led by Leicester City, and think he would have it wrapped up by February or March.

Instead Van Gaal has taken United on a different route, whereby he has moved out four strikers this season, bringing in only one, and now laments the team’s lack of finishers. “As a manager you cannot be pleased when it’s like that,” Van Gaal said. “You have to finish because it is the most important aspect of football.” In Germany they must find that blurred and strange. One of the players who was ushered to the door, Javier Hernández, has scored 11 times for Bayer Leverkusen since the start of October. In the same time frame United’s entire squad has managed 10.

The 0-0 against PSV Eindhoven a fortnight ago ago has certainly made them vulnerable as they prepare to face the team who currently lead their Champions League group. Two points separate the top three teams in Group B and PSV, in third, are at home to CSKA Moscow, who have already been eliminated. United, in other words, might have to beat the Bundesliga’s fifth-placed team to avoid dropping into the Europa League’s Thursday-night Sunday-afternoon churn.

On a more positive note a victory would mean winning the group and avoiding Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich in the first knockout round. It will not be straightforward, however, given that Wolfsburg’s 1-0 defeat against Borussia Dortmund on Saturday was the first time they had lost at home in the Bundesliga in 30 games. At the very least United will need to improve in an attacking sense because leaving the competition at this stage would be a deeply unsatisfactory way to end the club’s first season back in the Champions League. They were given a relatively moderate group and, for Van Gaal, there would be another wave of scrutiny on his “philosophy” – a word, incidentally, he finally appears to have tired of himself – at a time when many supporters are already aggrieved about the prosaic playing style.

At the same time it is worth noting there has been a shift in approach at Old Trafford since Ferguson left. At that time the attitude was that the Premier League and winning in Europe should be seen as equally important and, on occasions, key players would often be rested before trips abroad. Behind the scenes they now say the mind-set is 80-20 in favour of the domestic league, on the basis there has been a marked improvement at several clubs, among them Everton, Southampton and West Ham, who would not usually be regarded as such a threat.

Tellingly the vast amount of television revenue means clubs do not have to sell their better players, as United found out with Sadio Mané at Southampton and Chelsea with Everton’s John Stones, and that has left the Old Trafford board suspecting that in the coming years it will become increasingly difficult for the established top four clubs to maintain their position.

At board level the directors also seem relatively relaxed about the financial hit of not going through, estimated at around £5m. Yet they also know how quickly one match can change a team’s fortunes. Ferguson, still with the old urges, was among the visiting entourage beside the River Aller. “There’s no point killing myself about the outcome,” he said. “You’ve got to trust the way they’re handling it.”

I do find it funny that he got the score of the Wolfsburg game at the weekend wrong

Your Airbag · 08-12-2015 01:40PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Schweinsteiger: "In every game we create chances, but haven’t scored. When that is not the case it is not easy to win matches,"

"If you miss a chance you have to be unhappy. It is about attitude when you are a striker, a big striker, like a Ronaldo, Messi and Thomas Muller. They want to score goals. They have quality but they want to score goals. You need the attitude that you want to score.

"Our players are not scared in front of goal, no. It is all about the killer instinct. We have players who have the abilities but we need it in every game.

"With luck or whatever you have to score. The feeling that the players want to score, we need to have more of this. We are trying. We are creating and that is a good thing. The problem is a mix of everything, it is that last pass. You have to look up to see what is on. We have players who can score goals."

Basti, we are still waiting on your German friend that you mentioned....

Rumor has it he recently agreed a new deal with Bayern to keep him there until 2021. We can forget about him ever playing for UTD I think.

TheDoc · 08-12-2015 01:43PM

StringerBell wrote: »

I think his point may be an experienced top level, clinical finisher, like Rooney was supposed to be this season?

There was some stories/rumours about Rooney potentially not being injured and him failing one of Van Gaals tests he does.

I can't really blame Van Gaal regarding Rooney. I at the start of the season was happy to see him moved back to no.9 and assumed he would flourish.

I don't think LVG's comments were a swipe at Martial, but more outlining that a more experienced, seasoned striker might be burying those chances. Van Gaal loves his stats and **** so maybe he has something to back it up, but I get where he is coming from its just an observational comment. You associate the top strikers as being clinical, and taking THAT ONE chance,.

January could indeed be very interesting times ahead for Rooney. If it does transpire he is not "really injured" coupled with some comments made, he might be ready to drop him and bring in a new no.1

TheDoc · 08-12-2015 01:47PM

Pro. F wrote: »

But the problem isn't the finishing. No striker has taken anywhere near enough shots under Van Gaal to indicate that finishing is a problem.

Even the best strikers, like Aguero and Suarez, fail to convert plenty of their clear chances. But they take loads of shots and in good areas, so the goals rack up and nobody remembers the missed chances.

Our strikers have been getting off nowhere near enough shots (even though both Rooney and Martial's movement off the ball to get into goal scoring positions from CF has been excellent) and the cause of that is the lack of creativity from the whole team.

I think this is about right, and Van Gaal might be making those comments based of the observational theory that a top level striker takes the ones that count. That good old line the likes of Martin Tyler trots out.

Though a Suarez or a fit Aguero, or a Lukaku, changes the entire dimension of the attacking play. They would probably just "function" better enabling maybe some more creativity and chances?

So many times last night Lukaku made a chance for himself out of nothing. And brought so many others into play to create chances.

I don't think the supply behind the striker, is exclusive from the role of the striker when playing a 4-2-3-1. The striker is an important cog for enabling the three behind. So while I think it's correct to say our strikers have been starved of proper service, they themselves, have to take responsibility in that also

08-12-2015 01:47PM

TheDoc wrote: »

There was some stories/rumours about Rooney potentially not being injured and him failing one of Van Gaals tests he does.

I can't really blame Van Gaal regarding Rooney. I at the start of the season was happy to see him moved back to no.9 and assumed he would flourish.

I don't think LVG's comments were a swipe at Martial, but more outlining that a more experienced, seasoned striker might be burying those chances. Van Gaal loves his stats and **** so maybe he has something to back it up, but I get where he is coming from its just an observational comment. You associate the top strikers as being clinical, and taking THAT ONE chance,.

January could indeed be very interesting times ahead for Rooney. If it does transpire he is not "really injured" coupled with some comments made, he might be ready to drop him and bring in a new no.1

What I have been saying all along. I really do believe that if the issue is addressed in January it will make a massive difference to our season.

TheDoc · 08-12-2015 01:51PM

RobertKK wrote: »

United trained at the stadium yesterday and the Bild thinks it will be
De Gea
Verela--Smalling--Blind--Darmian
Carrick
Bastian----
Lingard----Fellaini----Memphis
Martial

Fellaini is going to have to put in a proper shift. I think it's important we control the game and "silence the crowd" and gradually build ourselves into the game. Won't be surprised to see Fellaini play nearly as a third CM to shore things up.

first 20 minutes, even the entire first half needs to be a solid display to keep them from scoring and then built ourselves up where possible. Set piece, counter attack, whatever.

I'd be confident we can exert our dominance in terms of controlling possesion, but we need to ensure we keep things tight.

Draxler and Schurlle(if starts) could really run a bit riot, especially Draxler who from highlight shows looks to be starting to get back that good form.

Rayne Wooney · 08-12-2015 02:06PM

It really doesn't make sense to me

He hints that we need a clinical finisher yet sets the team up defensively creating very little chances (17th in the league?) thus the need to be clinical with the few chances we make yet by his own hinted admission we don't have a clinical player?

Why not be reactive then and set the team up to attack more, creating more chances and thus more opportunities for our un-clinical players to score more goals?

He is a walking contradiction at times

Mitch Connor · 08-12-2015 02:08PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

What I have been saying all along. I really do believe that if the issue is addressed in January it will make a massive difference to our season.

I can't see United being able to bring in a player of enough quality in January.

Lukaku, Kane are are going nowhere in January, imo. Would be surprised if PSG were to sell Cavani mid-season.

Who is there that woud be a significant signing and could be on the move in January?

Madrid seemingly want shot of Benzema but no one is going to touch him for the same reason Madrid want him gone.

bucketybuck · 08-12-2015 02:15PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It really doesn't make sense to me

He hints that we need a clinical finisher yet sets the team up defensively creating very little chances (17th in the league?) thus the need to be clinical with the few chances we make yet by his own hinted admission we don't have a clinical player?

Why not be reactive then and set the team up to attack more, creating more chances and thus more opportunities for our un-clinical players to score more goals?

He is a walking contradiction at times

Its the story of Van Gaal at United.

He sets up the team he wants, not the team he has.

Pro. F · 08-12-2015 02:15PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Well he ain't wrong. We had 21 shots Saturday, only one on target. That's poor finishing, we created plenty Saturday and it was all down to the forward players blowing it. Better finishing and we were top of the league.

We did create a decent number of decent chances on Saturday (although I don't think total number of shots is a good way to judge that).

And while I agree that a top level striker (or even just a respectable striker) would be more likely to finish chances than Fellaini, that is just one game this season. For the vast majority of this season we haven't been close to creating enough chances, finishing has not been the problem and the forwards have been quietly getting on with their jobs, working their bollocks off while playing in a dysfunctional attacking system that creates shag all chances. So for Van Gaal to immediately come out after the game talking about if we had this or that striker - and so very publicly putting the blame for the result on his forwards for not finishing chances - is extremely churlish.

Coat22 · 08-12-2015 02:16PM

StringerBell wrote: »

Article from yesterdays Guardian (Daniel Taylor)

didn't realise it was the tenth anniversary of our last European embarrassment. I do remember the calls for Fergie to go though! People can have very short memories and knee jerk a lot!

I do find it funny that he got the score of the Wolfsburg game at the weekend wrong

Couple of big differences between now and 2005 though. This time 10 years ago Ferguson had fallen out with Keane with no alternative identified. Had a central defence of Ferdinand (who - lets face it - looked useless at the time) and had yet to sign Vidic and Evra (both of whom changed so much for him).

Add to that a dominant Chelsea and his backing to the Glazer take over and his handling of Keane and its easy to see why plenty wanted Fergusons head at the time.

A lot of things went his way too over the coming years. Bayern and Madrid were in the doldrums. Morinhio suddenly fell out with Abramovic and Ronaldo emerged as one of the best players in the World.

Retrospect is great but I for one wouldn't have cried if Ferguson had done one in the winter of 2005.

Maximus Alexander · 08-12-2015 02:25PM

TheDoc wrote: »

January could indeed be very interesting times ahead for Rooney. If it does transpire he is not "really injured" coupled with some comments made, he might be ready to drop him and bring in a new no.1

Why is De Gea becoming collateral damage for the Rooney saga? :mad:

Cookie_Dough · 08-12-2015 02:28PM

I have only watched the highlights of the last couple of games and they have been painful. I am always trying to keep positive but lately not so much. I wouldn't be confident of us winning tonight but surely LvG would have the sense to go out out and attack, though I would be worried he would go ultra defensive and play for a draw.

The lineup posted above looks kind of weak but hopefully there is some pace there with Lingard and Memphis and we will try to attack and run at them.

Also, I only saw MOTD highlights of West Ham game, what did Bastian do to warrant his violent conduct charge, I didn't notice anything like that shown on MOTD?

Pro. F · 08-12-2015 02:55PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I think this is about right, and Van Gaal might be making those comments based of the observational theory that a top level striker takes the ones that count. That good old line the likes of Martin Tyler trots out.

If by this you mean that top level strikers finish chances at a higher rate when those chances are imperative to their teams getting results then I highly doubt that is true.

TheDoc wrote: »

Though a Suarez or a fit Aguero, or a Lukaku, changes the entire dimension of the attacking play. They would probably just "function" better enabling maybe some more creativity and chances?

So many times last night Lukaku made a chance for himself out of nothing. And brought so many others into play to create chances.

I don't think the supply behind the striker, is exclusive from the role of the striker when playing a 4-2-3-1. The striker is an important cog for enabling the three behind. So while I think it's correct to say our strikers have been starved of proper service, they themselves, have to take responsibility in that also

No they wouldn't just function better imo. Martial has everything you could want of a CF in this shíte attacking system of Van Gaal's - pace, strength, dribbling, intelligence, off the ball movement and has shown good finishing so far (although we'll need a multiple season sample before we'll know how good his finishing really is). Stick any striker in the world in there instead of Martial and they'd struggle too.

These chances that Lukaku is creating out of nothing for himself are no more impressive than the ones that Martial does, because Martial is doing it when he is more isolated.

And this is all ignoring the fact that needing a striker to create chances out of nothing for themselves is a very bad sign to begin with. And it's doubly bad because LVG inherited an excellent collection goal poacher type CFs (ie strikers who aren't strong at creating chances for themselves, but will score a lot if given good service) in Rooney, RVP and Hernandez and he utterly failed to set up an attacking system that would use them properly.

And while I agree that the CF is an important cog in the way a team attacks, I don't agree that ours have been failing in their responsibilities in that regard. The problem has been a lack of movement and a lack of numbers in attack because of Van Gaal's rigid system imo.

Pro. F · 08-12-2015 02:58PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I can see what van gaal is saying. There has been quite a few chances fallen to someone's feet, that if it had fallen to those 2 lads, they would have scored.

In the west ham game, a good few chances fell to Fellaini and martial but they got blocked or scuffed wide.

Poor execution and technique has hindered the goals being scored.
Van gaal gambled on Rooney being that striker to have the experience to score those but alas it's down to martial and Fellaini.
Slightly edging towards, if rvp had stayed he may have scored if he just sat around the box waiting for them balls which do come.

From watching the games and reading the stats I'd have to say I think the exact opposite of this.

bucketybuck · 08-12-2015 03:19PM

I've said repeatedly that I don't think another striker will necessarily change our attacking fortunes, any more than the previous five did.

We would do well not to dismiss the Hernandez example. Consider this, I would wager that if he had never played for us and we were considering new strikers, somebody would suggest that Mexican international tearing up the German league, has 13 goals in 18 games, a real goal poacher perfect for taking the one or two chances per game we can't finish right now. He was good enough to be at Madrid, it didn't work out but he scored goals for them and sure we all know how that shower operate, sure they got rid of the likes of Robben and Ozil as well!

Thats what the narrative would be, similar to the narrative for Higuain or Cavani or whoever. Except we know that this particular in-form goal poacher didn't work for Van Gaal, he looked like crap here. Yet we still think that the other in form goal poachers would somehow be different, they would be the ones to thrive where all the other proven goalscorers failed.

Looked at rationally its a fools errand, the definition of insanity. There is no point throwing striker after striker at the system in the hope that this one will be different, we need to accept that our players are not all useless, and that the problem is systemic, not individual.

KH25 · 08-12-2015 03:28PM

Cookie_Dough wrote: »

I have only watched the highlights of the last couple of games and they have been painful. I am always trying to keep positive but lately not so much. I wouldn't be confident of us winning tonight but surely LvG would have the sense to go out out and attack, though I would be worried he would go ultra defensive and play for a draw.

The lineup posted above looks kind of weak but hopefully there is some pace there with Lingard and Memphis and we will try to attack and run at them.

Also, I only saw MOTD highlights of West Ham game, what did Bastian do to warrant his violent conduct charge, I didn't notice anything like that shown on MOTD?

Threw an elbow it seems. Didn't see it myself. Surprised Fellaini hasn't been charged for his stamp.

homerjay2005 · 08-12-2015 03:33PM

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Mata has been woeful last few gamesmonths

fixed that for you, Mata has been perhaps our most over rated player in 2015. he has played nowhere as good as people have been saying.

him and Rooney have been absolute dirt though in fairness to Mata he is not a winger and should never be played there again. however, LVG keeps playing him there despite the fact that he has been awful in alot of games.

he cant be far off a record of being subbed most times in a season at the way he is going.

homerjay2005 · 08-12-2015 03:36PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I've said repeatedly that I don't think another striker will necessarily change our attacking fortunes, any more than the previous five did.

striker is only one part of the problem, theres also two more - nothing from wide right and no creativity and pace through the middle.

we need three major signings to make this team a proper one again.

The_Kew_Tour · 08-12-2015 03:41PM

Our 11\12 campaign in Europe was much worse then 2005.

In CL and Europa. That was painfull.

homerjay2005 · 08-12-2015 04:08PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Our 11\12 campaign in Europe was much worse then 2005.

In CL and Europa. That was painfull.

and that coincides with our massive decline that Moyes was left with - it was around 10-11 that things started going south even though we won two leagues and came 2nd in the middle year.

the brilliance of Nani and Rooney from 10-13, coupled with the arrival of RVP and DDG and one last dying sting from Rio glossed over a huge amount of deficiencies in what was a very very average squad.

letting Pogba go and not solving the midfield, signings the likes of Bebe, Obertan, Zaha, Owen, Diouf as opposed to investing in real quality, replacing Ronaldo with Valencia and forking out almost £40m on Jones and Young.

bringing Scholes back as opposed to buying in midfield (though in fairness he played excellently once he was back) was another sign that Fergie was starting to lose his focus also.

TheDoc · 08-12-2015 04:15PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

and that coincides with our massive decline that Moyes was left with - it was around 10-11 that things started going south even though we won two leagues and came 2nd in the middle year.

the brilliance of Nani and Rooney from 10-13, coupled with the arrival of RVP and DDG and one last dying sting from Rio glossed over a huge amount of deficiencies in what was a very very average squad.

letting Pogba go and not solving the midfield, signings the likes of Bebe, Obertan, Zaha, Owen, Diouf as opposed to investing in real quality, replacing Ronaldo with Valencia and forking out almost £40m on Jones and Young.

bringing Scholes back as opposed to buying in midfield (though in fairness he played excellently once he was back) was another sign that Fergie was starting to lose his focus also.

Always saying it, but the way the club failed to capitalise on the CL run of finals is a massive black mark on Fergies and Gills copy book.

Not enough is made of it. It was incredibly naive to not capitalise and really bolster the squad with quality and we should have moved into that rank of elite teams with Barca, Real and Bayern.

And I don't think it's far off the mark to claim that if that period was navigated properly, we would be a proper European powerhouse.

Obviously a bit wishy washy wishful thinking as who knows, but it really annoys me.

bangkok · 08-12-2015 04:19PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

and that coincides with our massive decline that Moyes was left with - it was around 10-11 that things started going south even though we won two leagues and came 2nd in the middle year.

the brilliance of Nani and Rooney from 10-13, coupled with the arrival of RVP and DDG and one last dying sting from Rio glossed over a huge amount of deficiencies in what was a very very average squad.

letting Pogba go and not solving the midfield, signings the likes of Bebe, Obertan, Zaha, Owen, Diouf as opposed to investing in real quality, replacing Ronaldo with Valencia and forking out almost £40m on Jones and Young.

bringing Scholes back as opposed to buying in midfield (though in fairness he played excellently once he was back) was another sign that Fergie was starting to lose his focus also.

its easy looking back and pointing out what we should have done and who we should have bought or not signed.

Real Madrid were after Valencia as well and it was dave Whelan that recommended him to go to United as well, he was brilliant for us for a season or 2 even won our player of the year.

Phil Jones was one of the best defenders in England for his age bracket.

Ashley Young was brilliant at Aston Villa he was a great signing at the time.

Obertan and Zaha were 2 hot prospects, Obertan was the young up and coming new start in France, just didn't work out at United.

Pogba also wasn't "let go". He was offered a new contract and his agent had his head turned.

sky88 · 08-12-2015 04:30PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Our 11\12 campaign in Europe was much worse then 2005.

In CL and Europa. That was painfull.

I remember being so peed off at how badly the Europa league went that year and if the worst happens tonight then at least we give it a go as i think the english teams attitude towards it is so poor

Pro. F · 08-12-2015 04:38PM

Pogba didn't fit into Fergie's system anyway imo. He's too inconsistent to be a central midfielder in a four man midfield; doesn't score enough to have played behind the CF in a Fergie team and he's not a winger. He's a great player, but not of a type that Fergie ever made us of that I can remember. Maybe in time he will either become a more consistent midfielder or goal scorer, but it made sense that Fergie wasn't able to keep him at the time.

Headshot · 08-12-2015 04:47PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Pogba didn't fit into Fergie's system anyway imo. He's too inconsistent to be a central midfielder in a four man midfield; doesn't score enough to have played behind the CF in a Fergie team and he's not a winger. He's a great player, but not of a type that Fergie ever made us of that I can remember. Maybe in time he will either become a more consistent midfielder or goal scorer, but it made sense that Fergie wasn't able to keep him at the time.

oh wow

He's was only 19!

homerjay2005 · 08-12-2015 04:49PM

bangkok wrote: »

its easy looking back and pointing out what we should have done and who we should have bought or not signed.

there is no hindsight.

yes Valencia did well for 2 years, thats not the issue here. the issue is that we thought that we could lost the best player in the world and it would be ok to sign Valencia.

there were several big name signings available that summer and all of them ultimately moved - we barely mustered a move for any of them.

bangkok wrote: »

Phil Jones was one of the best defenders in England for his age bracket.

massive myth, he was playing in a Blackburn team that conceded 7 at Old Trafford and fergie signed him because he was shouting at the players around him.

he may turn out to be a decent signing, but we are still waiting...and waiting. and waiting. he cost £20m.....and had played 35 premier league games in one of the worst teams in the league. Varane switched to Real for almost half the amount.

bangkok wrote: »

Ashley Young was brilliant at Aston Villa he was a great signing at the time.

we had more than enough wingers at the club at the time, Young was in the last year of his contract and we paid £17m for him, also made him one of the highest played players in Europe at the same time. not many people would call young a great signing, lets be fair here.

bangkok wrote: »

Obertan and Zaha were 2 hot prospects, Obertan was the young up and coming new start in France, just didn't work out at United.

Obertan wasnt even the highest rate prospect in his club, let alone one of them in his country. it was a bizzare signing. Zaha for £16million???

bangkok wrote: »

Pogba also wasn't "let go". He was offered a new contract and his agent had his head turned.

he was offered a fraction of what he was looking for,something that other clubs were willing to pay. he also wasnt played by Ferguson so in both counts, we f*cked up.

we then went off and made Adnan the hightest paid teenager in world football 2 years later...baffling.

bucketybuck · 08-12-2015 04:49PM

Headshot wrote: »

oh wow

He's was only 19!

Does the point not hold true today? Where would Pogba actually play for us?

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