Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

jayo26 · 07-12-2015 10:39PM

How the bloody he'll could you not want Lusaka, power and pace and poachers instinct also 50 goals for Everton in 100 games and he still so young. Id love him for united.

Robson99 · 07-12-2015 10:48PM

Stones, Barkley and Lukaku are 3 of the best young players in England ATM if not the 3 best.
How Moyes went for Fellani ahead of Barkley baffles me

homerjay2005 · 07-12-2015 10:49PM

The chances of us signing somebody in January are extremely slim though, and pretty much non existent if we go out tomorrow night.

At least with Champions league football, we could expect to make a good go for somebody like Lukaku, but it would probably take £40m plus to get him.

Manutd_4life · 07-12-2015 10:51PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

The chances of us signing somebody in January are extremely slim though, and pretty much non existent if we go out tomorrow night.

At least with Champions league football, we could expect to make a good go for somebody like Lukaku, but it would probably take £40m plus to get him.

I agree. Tomorrow is a massive day. Possibly the biggest in LVG time at utd so far.

Thursday night football would be a disaster

Lord TSC · 07-12-2015 10:55PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Was just about to post I'd really love to see us go for Lukaku in January and he scores again as I am typing.

Been on the Lukaku train for a while now. Looks amazing, young, home grown. Probably be around 50m for him though...

Liam McPoyle · 07-12-2015 10:57PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Been on the Lukaku train for a while now. Looks amazing, young, home grown. Probably be around 50m for him though...

What ever it takes imo. The lad is a beast and is only going to get better, premiership proven, quick, imagine him and Martial playing off eachother.

Flint Fredstone · 07-12-2015 10:59PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

The chances of us signing somebody in January are extremely slim though, and pretty much non existent if we go out tomorrow night.

At least with Champions league football, we could expect to make a good go for somebody like Lukaku, but it would probably take £40m plus to get him.

Are you saying that the chances of signing Lukaku would be dealt a major blow if we lost tomorrow?
Or was the second part separate from the first.

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 07-12-2015 11:00PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

. Probably be around 50m for him though...

Pffft Ed the equalizer would get that sponsored by a shoe lace company

PhlegmyMoses · 07-12-2015 11:02PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Looking like a three match ban for Schwi then

Very annoying how these things get decided by how big your club is at times. One week Vardy is sticking his fingers up at the lino and calling him a pick, minimal media fuss, the next week he breaks a record against us.

Basti defo deserves the ban, I just always find it funny when people go on like the big clubs get all the decisions.

homerjay2005 · 07-12-2015 11:03PM

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Are you saying that the chances of signing Lukaku would be dealt a major blow if we lost tomorrow?
Or was the second part separate from the first.

chances are unlikely however i think they would be better if he had the lure of Champions league football, plus we'd have an extra few million perhaps to seal the deal if we knew we were guaranteed another £10m revenue in the weeks after the deal was done.

the other way of looking at is, is lets say we were to lose tomorrow and also, were in 5th or 6th place come January - would the Glazers really give LVG another £50m after all the money has has spent (and somewhat wasted) so far.

RobertKK · 07-12-2015 11:04PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Been on the Lukaku train for a while now. Looks amazing, young, home grown. Probably be around 50m for him though...

50 million and and we can give them a burnt out Wayne Rooney in return...

Flint Fredstone · 07-12-2015 11:04PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

chances are unlikely however i think they would be better if he had the lure of Champions league football, plus we'd have an extra few million perhaps to seal the deal if we knew we were guaranteed another £10m revenue in the weeks after the deal was done.

the other way of looking at is, is lets say we were to lose tomorrow and also, were in 5th or 6th place come January - would the Glazers really give LVG another £50m after all the money has has spent (and somewhat wasted) so far.

He plays for Everton.

homerjay2005 · 07-12-2015 11:07PM

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

He plays for Everton.

the same club who wouldnt sell John Stones to Chelsea a few months back???

you also seem to forget that we failed in a bid to buy a player from Southampton during the summer.

i dont think those who are saying he would cost £50m are too wide of the mark and can you really see us spending that, especially if the future of the manager could be in doubt AND we had no extra income from Champions league to fall back no - not saying we are poor of course, we just have financial targets for the coming year to reach the 1/4 final of the CL.

jayo26 · 07-12-2015 11:08PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

chances are unlikely however i think they would be better if he had the lure of Champions league football, plus we'd have an extra few million perhaps to seal the deal if we knew we were guaranteed another £10m revenue in the weeks after the deal was done.

the other way of looking at is, is lets say we were to lose tomorrow and also, were in 5th or 6th place come January - would the Glazers really give LVG another £50m after all the money has has spent (and somewhat wasted) so far.

I dont think money will come into it i dont know how they budget the team or if at start of season they budget for qualifying from the group stage I know from a fans pov we want to qualify but from business end of it would they budget for next round? I'd imagine they would play it safe.

Id expect us to make signings in January with the way the league is going if it's similar come January they have to think the league is up for grabs here if we can get attack clicking.

Flint Fredstone · 07-12-2015 11:11PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the same club who wouldnt sell John Stones to Chelsea a few months back???

you also seem to forget that we failed in a bid to buy a player from Southampton during the summer.

i dont think those who are saying he would cost £50m are too wide of the mark and can you really see us spending that, especially if the future of the manager could be in doubt AND we had no extra income from Champions league to fall back no - not saying we are poor of course, we just have financial targets for the coming year to reach the 1/4 final of the CL.

I'm not forgetting anything. Everton refusing to sell will not be down to United's lack of Champions League involvement.

It will have no effect on any attempt to sign Lukaku IMO.

homerjay2005 · 07-12-2015 11:25PM

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

I'm not forgetting anything. Everton refusing to sell will not be down to United's lack of Champions League involvement.

It will have no effect on any attempt to sign Lukaku IMO.

so you dont think we maybe a little bit more willing to match their value, if we had CL football guaranteed?

and the lure of Champions League football may tempt Lukaku to force a more, just a little bit more?

Flint Fredstone · 07-12-2015 11:33PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

so you dont think we maybe a little bit more willing to match their value, if we had CL football guaranteed?

and the lure of Champions League football may tempt Lukaku to force a more, just a little bit more?

Not really no. I don't think 2-4 games in the CL is going to swing it for him.
With the TV money and the Adidas deal, CL knockout stage money is just a drop in the ocean really, I can't see it stopping a deal.

Robson99 · 07-12-2015 11:38PM

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Not really no. I don't think 2-4 games in the CL is going to swing it for him.
With the TV money and the Adidas deal, CL knockout stage money is just a drop in the ocean really, I can't see it stopping a deal.

Nothing to say he would want to come to us either. He may want to go to another club if hes being sold

The Moldy Gowl · 07-12-2015 11:41PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Nothing to say he would want to come to us either. He may want to go to another club if hes being sold

May want to move abroad and live somewhere else as well.

Liam McPoyle · 07-12-2015 11:41PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Nothing to say he would want to come to us either. He may want to go to another club if hes being sold

Come again?

:pac:

Robson99 · 07-12-2015 11:44PM

Business Cat wrote: »

Come again?

:pac:

Apologies. Didn't think it posted the first time or the second or the third

Lord TSC · 07-12-2015 11:47PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Apologies. Didn't think it posted the first time or the second or the third

Or the forth or the fifth :P Cleaned it up for ya....

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think Ancelotti has timed his comments very delicately. Linking himself to the United job the night before United potentially go out of the CL, at a time he knows LVG will be under a certain amount of pressure.

If I was playing FM and that happened, I'd be screaming at the screen to bugger off trying to sway the fans and the board :P

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2015 11:52PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Or the forth or the fifth :P Cleaned it up for ya....

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think Ancelotti has timed his comments very delicately. Linking himself to the United job the night before United potentially go out of the CL, at a time he knows LVG will be under a certain amount of pressure.

If I was playing FM and that happened, I'd be screaming at the screen to bugger off trying to sway the fans and the board :P

i'd say it more a play towards Chelsea. Mourinho under more pressure than LVG is and it is a job he is reported to be very interested in. Starts talking about United and maybe Roman Abramovic will be inclined to act quicker on Jose and give Ancellotti a call.

Robson99 · 07-12-2015 11:54PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Or the forth or the fifth :P Cleaned it up for ya....

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think Ancelotti has timed his comments very delicately. Linking himself to the United job the night before United potentially go out of the CL, at a time he knows LVG will be under a certain amount of pressure.

If I was playing FM and that happened, I'd be screaming at the screen to bugger off trying to sway the fans and the board :P

I think we would all agree that when LVG does go that someone with the experience of Ancelotti /Pep takes over and not Giggs.
Personally I think it will be Ancelotti

Flint Fredstone · 07-12-2015 11:58PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Nothing to say he would want to come to us either. He may want to go to another club if hes being sold

Again that has nothing to do with the result tomorrow night. That's the only point I was arguing.

homerjay2005 · 08-12-2015 12:55AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I wonder if there's any way to get Januzaj out of that loan deal, he's played 6 games worth of minutes in the last 6 months he would have got more if he stayed I think

Maybe Neville would guarantee him game time if the opportunity arose

how many of our loan deals in the last 10 years have actually worked for us?

you could argue that Welbeck and Evans did ok, but anybody else?

BenK · 08-12-2015 01:19AM

Lukaku would be a very good signing if it was possible. I think it would be far better going after someone like him or Kane than the likes of Higuain or Cavani. It's typically the type of signing United are good at making too. A young but proven player with plenty of scope for improvement that will have some idea what United are about. Hard to believe Jose was happy to let him go when he did.

onemorechance · 08-12-2015 01:22AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

how many of our loan deals in the last 10 years have actually worked for us?

you could argue that Welbeck and Evans did ok, but anybody else?

Other than what should be the main reason to loan out a player, gain experience, loan deals to clubs in the same division give United (and others) two key advantages.

First, the player is ineligible to play against his parent club and can disrupt the form of a team if he has been a key player for them. Second, the player often puts in a big performance in games against United's (title) rivals.

It's the same for all clubs, but typically it's the bigger clubs who are in a position to take advantage of this; over the SAF era I'd say no team benefited as much as United from the (same division) loan system.

Pro. F · 08-12-2015 01:59AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Yeah the Hernandez who rarely started a game under ferguson and then moyes, then who rarely played for Madrid.
Then the Hernandez who was awful in his few games he got this season.

He started plenty under Fergie. He was just part of one of those four man strike-forces that Fergie always built.

Hernandez under Feeguson:
10/11 EPL: 15 starts and 12 subs
10/11 CL: 6 starts and 3 subs
11/12 EPL: 18 starts and 10 subs
11/12 CL: 1 start and 3 subs
12/13 EPL: 9 starts and 13 subs
12/13 CL: 5 starts and 1 sub

Moyes made a mess of the job so I wouldn't pay much heed to whether or not he gave Hernandez games.

Madrid needed a CF to hold the ball up - something that Hernandez is not strong at - in order to compliment Ronaldo. So Benzema was always going to be first choice and there's no shame in that at all. And even while only playing a bit part role Chicharito still scored 0.71 goals (no penalties) per 90 minutes in the league for them.

Then for United this season he was given three substitute appearances totalling less than 90 minutes. He wasn't awful, he just wasn't given proper game time in a properly functioning attack.

The signs that he was a class striker were all there during his time at United.

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

His 11 goals this season wouldn't be magically transplanted into this utd team.
Ex players who move on always seen to be viewed as some wonderful player.
Nani and Chico had their chance and plenty of them.

No, he almost certainly wouldn't be scoring those goals at United now if he'd stayed. He'd be struggling in this team just like every other attacking player is. But what we can say is that he is an excellent striker and that letting him go significantly weakened the squad.

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

It's unfortunate they are gone but that's it. They could have asked to leave for all we know.

They were under contract, so they could have been kept. Then it comes down to man management and squad management in order to keep them from being disruptive. That's very much something a manager needs to be good at.

Pro. F · 08-12-2015 02:15AM

I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed in the thread -

Van Gaal: "The question is would Luis Suarez or Sergio Aguero score if they were here?" Van Gaal told BBC Radio Manchester.

"That is a question mark. You never know. I think they would, though."
Van Gaal, 64, added: "We've created enough chances to score, so that was not the problem.

"The most important thing is you dominate, create and you finish. Football is about scoring goals. The first two basic aspects of football we have done," Van Gaal added.

"When you don't finish from a metre in front of an empty goal, you cannot say anything more. You have to finish and that's the only problem we have. We played very well especially in the second half - but you have to finish.

"The goals are coming. That is my strong belief."

Link

If only he had Suarez or Aguero and didn't have to make do with a chump like Martial.

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