Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Yeah the Hernandez who rarely started a game under ferguson and then moyes, then who rarely played for Madrid.
Then the Hernandez who was awful in his few games he got this season.


His 11 goals this season wouldn't be magically transplanted into this utd team.
Ex players who move on always seen to be viewed as some wonderful player.
Nani and Chico had their chance and plenty of them.
It's unfortunate they are gone but that's it. They could have asked to leave for all we know.

Lol, started tonnes of games under Fergie till RVP arrived. Are you using Moyes and LVG team selection as a stick to beat him with ?

The only forward who hasn't look like ****e under LVG is Martial and that's because he doesn't rely on chances being created for him to be effective.

And as I said he would be feeding of scraps and posters would be writing him off like you are, he would struggle in this United side and most forwards do, not sure where you got the idea of 11 goals being transplanted from ?

Il speak for myself but the ex players are lauded because of they're quality and what they'll produced as United players, some memories run longer than 18 months.

Business Cat wrote: »

Morgan, Basti and Carrick are not attacking midfielders, Fellaini has hardly played and Herrara has been injured quite a bit.

Try harder.

Basti has a goal in him and Herrera has been underutilized since day one. They should all be contributing to more chance creation.

Business Cat wrote: »

Morgan, Basti and Carrick are not attacking midfielders, Fellaini has hardly played and Herrara has been injured quite a bit.

Try harder.

What do you mean try harder? You haven't answered my point in the slightest. You said we had addressed the problems in midfield, now it seems you agree that we haven't? That all we have done is get some defensive players in there and dropped anybody who can attack?

Maybe thats what you actually think a midfield is, that space way behind the attacking unit? God forbid the likes of Bastian Schweinsteiger actually get involved in the attacking side of a football match.

Polo_Mint wrote: »

And if Pep didnt win us the league in 2 seasons, What would be your call?

It's not as easy as that, nobody throwing their toys out of the pram in here, nobody is saying "oh sack Van Gaal because he hasn't won a league"

Hypothetically if Pep came and hadn't won anything in two seasons you'd have to take a look at how close we are to winning things, whether there is clear progress, how much money he is spending amongst other things. You assess how things are going like people are doing with Van Gaal now

We are here to win trophies not be also rans, rumour has it Pep will go to City next summer and that could be after Pellegrini winning two league titles in three years.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Pep wouldnt frustrate the life out of everybody like LVG does first and foremost.

all depends on the type of football being played, the standard of the players he signs and the actual league position.

winning the league doesnt matter to me right now, i would rather we too some risks and play good football, football good enough to keep us near the top every year.

if we were to win the league this year under the current football, it would be the death of football in my opinion. we would all of course be delighted, but it would feel like absolute robbery.

Peps style of play is very simalar to LVG's. If Bayern and Barca werent on form it could be very boring to watch and has sideways passing just like ours is at the minute. granted the main difference in United now and them is there is pace in the passing and movement were its slow at united which LVG has said needs to improve.

Thecon21 wrote: »

How can people be content with the current situation, Van Gaal, the club in general even, if they are saying we are 'only' 5 or so players off being where we want to be? Like almost half the starting XI?

After spending 320 million and the fact the club is still 5 players off should be deemed as a massive disappointment..

I'm willing to give Van Gaal some more time, as I'm sure most people are, but I'm definitely not happy about his performance as a manager as a whole but of course it's not all his fault too..

Posters saying if we get Griezmann, Neymar, Robben then our attack would be perfect, what a ridiculous idea, of course we would be set!

Again, I'm happy with the defence but the attack is still a shambles even with a better performance against WH..

Because we are in the title race and contention to get into the UCL knockouts.

A lot of us can see the potential of this work in progress. Then you have the other fans, who wanted us playing like Barca & running away with everything after two seasons with LVG minus all of the talent Barca have.

Its just a difference in patience and reality vs expectation.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Is there anybody really saying LVG should stay if we miss out on top 4 again?

Complete madness opinion , if that happens then him staying isn't an option. The problem is, we won't get a top class manager like Pep without CL football.

Is there?

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Pep wouldnt frustrate the life out of everybody like LVG does first and foremost.

Huge question marks about Peps style as well tbh.

StringerBell wrote: »

Its not really when you take into consideration the incredibly high turnover of the squad and the need to maintain a certain level of cohesion while bedding in new players and gelling, while adapting to completely new tactics/training and having to meet certain performance targets. (top 4 finish etc)

The total overhaul of a squad while having to attain CL football was always going to take numerous windows, it can'y be done overnight. 5 players one year 6 the next and maybe 4 the next and its job done in that regard but if you were playing football manager and managed to sell everybody you didnt want, buy everybody you did in one window it would still be a big risk to take that all the players will instantly gel.

The club is going in the right direction. It was never going to be a quick fix if you want to build something long term.

One could argue that the overhaul wasn't needed and by moving on squad players we in a position were we need to sign first teamers and replace squad players. But then it comes back to how you feel about LVG's squad building in general, I think its been average.

beno619 wrote: »

Huge question marks about Peps style as well tbh.



One could argue that the overhaul wasn't needed and by moving on squad players we in a position were we need to sign first teamers and replace squad players. But then it comes back to how you feel about LVG's squad building in general, I think its been average.

One could argue anything sure.

A total overhaul of the squad was required in lots of peoples opinions.

Why would you think his squad building has been average! You think the likes of Martial, Shaw, Memphis, Morgan, Darmian, Herrera etc are all average/below average?

Good young players with the potential to become very good or great players? I just don't subscribe to that logic, his squad building is coming along very nicely. His squad management short term may not be ideal but he has always said he is a long term manager so the club knew what they were getting in to.

The core of the squad is a young one now, with great potential and with a couple of additions it will be a great squad who will possibly be in place for years to come and in a position to challenge for titles both domestically and in europe.

The majority of the deadwood has been moved on and replaced with better and most of the time younger models. Criticise the playing style all you want, I find it very hard to see how his squad building would be average though when looking at what that phrase actually means! He is building a very strong squad

The ever growing injury list is a serious worry not just going into tomorrow night but the busy Christmas period of fixtures. As for tomorrow it looks like Morgan and McNair are doubts. There will be some serious lack of experience on that bench tomorrow by the looks of things.

bucketybuck wrote: »

And you accuse me of hyperbole...

So what exactly do you want then besides more goals? Are you unhappy with our league position? Is the higest avg possession and defense not good enough for you?

homerjay2005 wrote: »

you and 4 or 5 random lads on an internet forum isnt "alot"?

United are regressing right now under LVG, the football is the worst in 3 decades and the discontent amongest match going fans is higher than it ever was under Moyes. People felt sorry for Moyes, there is alot of genuine dislike now for LVG and the vast majority of fans would be happy if he left tomorrow.

LVG hasnt progressed us, he has just shifted our problems elsewhere.

Its a lot more than 4 or 5. Just like when you throw a wobbler during the transfer window and try to convince yourself you are the voice of the minority you are not. Its the same here again. Your in the minority.

My post about LVGs long term plan seemed to be agreed with on here, the fan interview video I posted would be another example of someone with patience and the foresight to see the long term benefits of the work.

Saying we are regressing is a dumb statement. From 7th to 4th to league contention. Best defense and possession. We are progressing.

Just because you spit the dummy out after each result doesn't mean you are the voice of the people. We have sensible fans who can see something taking shape, then we have you, those with a simplistic view who moan after each result and only take each result on its own merits rather than looking at the long term benefits.