Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

The Moldy Gowl · 06-12-2015 11:47PM

Robson99 wrote: »

We should never be set up to get a draw again anyone at home. We are Manchester Utd ffs.
But Lvgs persistance with paying two holding midfielders means we are more likely to draw than win.
And then people are creaming themselves saying how we have improved no end defensively. Why wouldn't we with 6 players defending and one of the best goalkepers in the world behind them

I can never agree with the billy big ball posturing of we are utd, we have history. Rabble rabble.
Means nothing.

Lvg dosent set up to draw. Fair enough if you want to see 20 passes farting around midfield as setting up as a draw but I don't see it that way.
Ya it's awful, but it's not setting up for a draw.

This idea of 2 holding midfielders sitting In front of the defenders is a misconception. I constantly see Schweinsteiger getting up and around the oppositions box, and making runs through the middle calling for the ball.
He had a shot yesterday which he should have scored from but belted the ball from outside the box. 58th minute I believe.

Your Airbag · 06-12-2015 11:47PM

Robson99 wrote: »

1. Honest question. Can you see us signing those three players or three players of similar quality???

2. Honest question. Do you think we gave enough quality in midfield for next season with Schweinstiger and Carrick both on their last legs and Fellani just not good enough.???

3. Who do you honestly see us signing and how many players do you think we are short????

1. We need players of that quality but how could I possibly know if we can get them. LVG and Woodward would'nt even know if a players prefers us to Spain or Germany.

2. I think we are playing well at the back and in midfeild and with enough creativity up front, in terms of chance creation and movement, Yes I do think we would be much better. Schweinstige is not on his last legs, christ the over the top dross in here, he looked good saturday, just won player of the month.

3. I think we need about 5. Two wingers, a no 10, a MF and a CB. Wether we get them I can't say. Papers saying 200m kitty there, who knows.

Korat · 06-12-2015 11:47PM

RobertKK wrote: »

People may laugh, but Rooney is showing signs of suffering from burn out which is a psychological issue.

Here is one thing that can lead to burn out: Because they have to prove themselves to others or try to fit in an organization that does not suit them, people establish high personal expectations. In order to meet these expectations, they tend to focus solely on work while they take on more work than they otherwise would. It may happen that they become obsessed with doing everything themselves to show that they are irreplaceable

The last bit reminds me of Rooney, he took on extra work as captain, then seems to want to be everywhere on the pitch...apart from where we want to see him.
I am going with burn out as to why Rooney has been so bad...

The mantle of captain is heavy weight for any man.

It's not suited to everyone even the best of leaders. I never thought Beckham was a captain but he was great at doing the public duties and did he leave the team issues to his friends? Without being a big-head he delegated, probably the first authority G. Neville ever had.

Rooney isn't a leader and I don't think he knows what a Lieutenant is.

Cantona's Collars · 06-12-2015 11:48PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKwRiGu6bQY

Worth watching just for the LVG reference at 1.01.:pac::pac:

Robson99 · 06-12-2015 11:58PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I can never agree with the billy big ball posturing of we are utd, we have history. Rabble rabble.
Means nothing.

Lvg dosent set up to draw. Fair enough if you want to see 20 passes farting around midfield as setting up as a draw but I don't see it that way.
Ya it's awful, but it's not setting up for a draw.

This idea of 2 holding midfielders sitting In front of the defenders is a misconception. I constantly see Schweinsteiger getting up and around the oppositions box, and making runs through the middle calling for the ball.
He had a shot yesterday which he should have scored from but belted the ball from outside the box. 58th minute I believe.

Its not Billy big ball posturing. We are one of the top teams in England with and endless budget and yet we have failed to score in 6 home games. To me LVG is setting out to make sure we Dont concede first and foremost. Fair enough if its Man City or Arsenal we are playing but West Ham!!!
Schweinstiger is on his last legs. He gets up and down the pitch a couple of times in a game no more than that. And has been substituted in a lot of the games he has started IIRC.

Robson99 · 07-12-2015 12:08AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

1. We need players of that quality but how could I possibly know if we can get them. LVG and Woodward would'nt even know if a players prefers us to Spain or Germany.

2. I think we are playing well at the back and in midfeild and with enough creativity up front, in terms of chance creation and movement, Yes I do think we would be much better. Schweinstige is not on his last legs, christ the over the top dross in here, he looked good saturday, just won player of the month.

3. I think we need about 5. Two wingers, a no 10, a MF and a CB. Wether we get them I can't say. Papers saying 200m kitty there, who knows.

1 If you put Reus, de Grizeman and robben into the Liverpool or spurs team they would probably win the league.

2 As per response to Gowl I think he is on his last legs. We will do well to get another season out of him.

3 I would agree with 5. Would have a CF as a priority though. Dont think we need a 10.

07-12-2015 12:39AM

5 players is outrageous. 2, maybe 3 at a push are needed. The squad is already pretty big. A no.10 and a right winger would solve a pretty much all the deficiencies. I'm not ready to give up on Memphis like everyone in here seems happy to do.

Korat · 07-12-2015 12:41AM

Robson99 wrote: »

1 If you put Reus, de Grizeman and robben into the Liverpool or spurs team they would probably win the league.

2 As per response to Gowl I think he is on his last legs. We will do well to get another season out of him.

3 I would agree with 5. Would have a CF as a priority though. Dont think we need a 10.

1. Woodward is on the case and he's under pressure.

2. Limerick

3. Which ever of those problems you wouldn't shout in the street is your biggest. In any case you need to ring Joe Duffy because no one else cares.

Headshot · 07-12-2015 12:56AM

Liam O wrote: »

5 players is outrageous. 2, maybe 3 at a push are needed. The squad is already pretty big. A no.10 and a right winger would solve a pretty much all the deficiencies. I'm not ready to give up on Memphis like everyone in here seems happy to do.

You have to factor that a lot of the current team aren't good enough and need to be shipped out. 5 players isn't far off now

StringerBell · 07-12-2015 01:56AM

For January I would be delighted with a good pacey right winger who has an eye for a pass and a goal obviously enough, a striker would be alright but I think the RW being upgraded would help the attack all round.

For next season I think we need another CM, Carrick is going to be another year older, maybe will need replacing entirely and Schwein will have to be managed similar to how he is this season probably. Pogba obviously ideal but other more realistic options are out there

I would personally like a centre back signed, to compliment Smalling, I think Blind has done a good job overall and his passing from defence has been a real highlight but would feel more secure long term with a proper top level centre back, Blind covers enough positions to see plenty of time as a utility man anyway.

First teamers I could see moving on are Rojo who can't seem to get fit or have a consistent run in the team, seems to have run foul of the manager a couple of times too if papers are to be believed, and Fellaini if a good offer comes in. Hasn't done much wrong imo but can certainly be upgraded on and I am sure he will be if the opportunity presents itself in the summer. Jones could be off too, depending on how the rest of his season goes, its a big year for him and he really needs to stay fit (whats new)

Can't see too many of the others going realistically, the likes of Wilson etc could be gone but won't count them as first teamers.

Getting rid of Valencia and getting proper cover for right back would be nice but I don't see it happening, his managers just love him so they must see something I don't. I can't see Rooney leaving as I can't see who will buy him tbh.

In the summer a striker would be needed if one isn't got in January regardless, can't expect Martial to carry the can himself at such a young age, if Januzaj comes back he will get a crack at the squad again. I can see the summer transfer window being very much quality over quantity, maybe 3/4 in of high quality and then replacements for those who leave maybe depending on the situation.

07-12-2015 01:57AM

Headshot wrote: »

You have to factor that a lot of the current team aren't good enough and need to be shipped out. 5 players isn't far off now

Who would you be shipping out? I don't think anyone is really undeserving of a squad place at the moment. Rooney is on huge money relative to his performance level but I wouldn't be thinking he'd be sold. If a couple of new attackers are signed I could see Young becoming obsolete but he covers a lot of positions so he too wouldn't exactly be for the chop.

Rayne Wooney · 07-12-2015 02:15AM

As long as Van Gaal achieves his goals he can stay in the job

Saying he should stay in the job even if we get knocked out of the CL and end up also rans in the top 4 because he might be creating foundations that may have a positive effect a couple of years down the line is just romanticising the philosophy when it could easily be nonsense, Barca and Bayern would have been successful with or without Van Gaal in reality.

Football is a results business, last season he got top 4, this season given the time he has had, the money spent and the squad he has he should be able to qualify out of that CL group and challenge for the league. That would be a progression and earn him another season in my book even if the football he has us playing is awful to watch

pheasant tail · 07-12-2015 02:29AM

posturingpat wrote: »

So when are we going to give Van Gaal the old heave ho? We'll be out of the champions league in a few days barring a minor miracle and i can see it being a long Christmas period the way we're playing,can't wait for him to go.

I must be in the real minority to think we will get through on Tuesday night. So you define a one nill win against Wolfsburg who we have already beaten a 'minor miracle'?

Nalz · 07-12-2015 04:02AM

pheasant tail wrote: »

I must be in the real minority to think we will get through on Tuesday night. So you define a one nill win against Wolfsburg who we have already beaten a 'minor miracle'?

Based on how we played in that game, how we're playing now and injuries then yes I would consider it to beta,very tough tie

Nalz · 07-12-2015 04:05AM

Liam O wrote: »

Who would you be shipping out? I don't think anyone is really undeserving of a squad place at the moment. Rooney is on huge money relative to his performance level but I wouldn't be thinking he'd be sold. If a couple of new attackers are signed I could see Young becoming obsolete but he covers a lot of positions so he too wouldn't exactly be for the chop.

Rojo, Valencia, McNair, Young and Rooney are the closest *if* you were to pick 5 imo.

Giggsy11 · 07-12-2015 04:17AM

Bit late, I liked the link up play between Martial and Lingard. Martial was involved in almost all the positive moves which was very encouraging.

On the whole game, it was boring. We should be beating teams like West Ham at home.

Thecon21 · 07-12-2015 04:50AM

How can people be content with the current situation, Van Gaal, the club in general even, if they are saying we are 'only' 5 or so players off being where we want to be? Like almost half the starting XI?

After spending 320 million and the fact the club is still 5 players off should be deemed as a massive disappointment..

I'm willing to give Van Gaal some more time, as I'm sure most people are, but I'm definitely not happy about his performance as a manager as a whole but of course it's not all his fault too..

Posters saying if we get Griezmann, Neymar, Robben then our attack would be perfect, what a ridiculous idea, of course we would be set!

Again, I'm happy with the defence but the attack is still a shambles even with a better performance against WH..

beno619 · 07-12-2015 07:49AM

Headshot wrote: »

You have to factor that a lot of the current team aren't good enough and need to be shipped out. 5 players isn't far off now

That's a disgrace after two summers and the sums of money spent.

Oranage2 · 07-12-2015 08:52AM

Liam O wrote: »

5 players is outrageous. 2, maybe 3 at a push are needed. The squad is already pretty big. A no.10 and a right winger would solve a pretty much all the deficiencies. I'm not ready to give up on Memphis like everyone in here seems happy to do.

When you look at how many of the united players would actually start for any of the other top four teams then 5 players isn't far off.

Ddg(tough he's off in Jan or the summer)
Smalling
Martial

That's only 3 players that would definitely start soon to be 2. United need to have better players than their rivals if they're to finish ahead of them.

kstand · 07-12-2015 08:53AM

Thecon21 wrote: »

How can people be content with the current situation, Van Gaal, the club in general even, if they are saying we are 'only' 5 or so players off being where we want to be? Like almost half the starting XI?

After spending 320 million and the fact the club is still 5 players off should be deemed as a massive disappointment..

I'm willing to give Van Gaal some more time, as I'm sure most people are, but I'm definitely not happy about his performance as a manager as a whole but of course it's not all his fault too..

Posters saying if we get Griezmann, Neymar, Robben then our attack would be perfect, what a ridiculous idea, of course we would be set!

Again, I'm happy with the defence but the attack is still a shambles even with a better performance against WH..

I said this last season and was hoping it would be addressed in the summer but it wasnt - and that was for Van Gaal to go and find/sign a real pacy player for the right flank who would be happy to work his socks off defensively and also take his man on and beat him and then be able to put in decent crosses or get on the end of through balls etc and score. Made thats what he saw in Sadio Mane. The pressure was on Memphis from day one when that purchase wasnt made. In fairness he did shore up other areas and we look solid enough now but going forward we are far too predictable and we dont stretch teams at all. Memphis hasnt been great but then he's only a young lad and its new to him, it will take time.

Liam McPoyle · 07-12-2015 08:54AM

People are getting into an awful knot about the money spent.

Break down the squad as it currently is.

Keeper, best in the world. You can keep Neuer, he doesn't have to do half of what big Dave does.

Our defence is in better shape than its been in years. Shaw got a dreadful injury which does happen and we need a full time centre half to partner Mike as Jones is just too injury prone but Daley provides much cover pretty damn well, the lack of goals conceded proves this and If Shaw was in the squad then we would have enough defensively for the moment.

Midfield we have addressed the problems that we have harped on about since Keano left. Morgan and Ander are two fantastic players, Basti in the main has provided much needed stability and Carrick has been grand when called upon. Big Fell provides some decent back up.

Young and Mata have been inconsistent in the more forward players, Valencia is being Valencia, Jessie is still very young, Memphis has been disappointing in the main but i do think part of that is because he has come into a misfiring squad in a transitional phase, IMO he is the very definition of a confidence player. Some of the link up he and Martial had earlier in the season was lovely to watch.

Up front Rooney has been awful, simply awful for most of the games he has played and if he doesn't get his act together I'd be more than happy to see him shipped off. Martial has been very good since the get go however he is still just a kid so needs time to develop more. In a couple of years I think he will be one of the best in the world.

LVG tried to address the attacking situation. DiMaria ended up being a pissy little child (we did recoup more than 75% of what we paid for him) and Falcao sadly is a lame duck.

I think we are two first teamers away from being genuine title contenders, a goal scorer and a goal maker. I'd be quite happy to see us go for Mane and Kane in January, it won't happen but I think if we got them we would win the league.

beno619 · 07-12-2015 09:03AM

I think the squad needs a right winger at most if you exclude covering injured players.

Needs more Ander & more Mata at #10, but mostly it needs a manager who will allow the players a bit more freedom when going forward.

If were light on back up its because LVG got rid of very useful squad players.

Lithium93_ · 07-12-2015 09:05AM

In hindsight, Van Gaal getting rid of Chicharito was a massive mistake, how United could do with him now..

beno619 · 07-12-2015 09:10AM

Business Cat wrote: »

People are getting into an awful knot about the money spent.

It's a good squad.

Its the people patting LVG on the back for making us solidly defensive but still think he needs to sign €200 worth of forwards to win the league that have me questioning how much time and how much money is needed.

This sqaud should be capable of winning the league or providing a very strong tittle challange & shouldnt be odds on to drop out of the CL at the group phase.

07-12-2015 09:10AM

Thecon21 wrote: »

How can people be content with the current situation, Van Gaal, the club in general even, if they are saying we are 'only' 5 or so players off being where we want to be? Like almost half the starting XI?

After spending 320 million and the fact the club is still 5 players off should be deemed as a massive disappointment..

I'm willing to give Van Gaal some more time, as I'm sure most people are, but I'm definitely not happy about his performance as a manager as a whole but of course it's not all his fault too..

Posters saying if we get Griezmann, Neymar, Robben then our attack would be perfect, what a ridiculous idea, of course we would be set!

Again, I'm happy with the defence but the attack is still a shambles even with a better performance against WH..

Thing is its a striker and a LB and that's it IMO.
5 players off?? pfffff That's a total exaggeration.

The Moldy Gowl · 07-12-2015 09:14AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

When you look at how many of the united players would actually start for any of the other top four teams then 5 players isn't far off.

Ddg(tough he's off in Jan or the summer)
Smalling
Martial

That's only 3 players that would definitely start soon to be 2. United need to have better players than their rivals if they're to finish ahead of them.

No.

beno619 · 07-12-2015 09:14AM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

In hindsight, Van Gaal getting rid of Chicharito was a massive mistake, how United could do with him now..

He would be feeding of scraps and you'd have posters in here telling you he isn't good enough, past it etc.

As Buckety said yesterday the list of forwards who became duds under LVG is growing.

07-12-2015 09:16AM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

In hindsight, Van Gaal getting rid of Chicharito was a massive mistake, how United could do with him now..

Kagawa and Nani would be far more useful if we're pining for former players.

Watching Barca and how much Messi, Neymar and Suarez track back when the ball is with the other team and how much the likes of Lingard, Memphis and Mata are expected to run back after the ball is a root of the problem imo. This could be down to what LVG is telling them or a result of their willingness to impress but there's not enough players forward and when they are it's so sparse and they look like they want nothing to do with each other.

beno619 · 07-12-2015 09:19AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

When you look at how many of the united players would actually start for any of the other top four teams then 5 players isn't far off.

Ddg(tough he's off in Jan or the summer)
Smalling
Martial

That's only 3 players that would definitely start soon to be 2. United need to have better players than their rivals if they're to finish ahead of them.

You could say the same about Arsenal and Spurs, City have Aguero, Silva and De Bruyne Kompany, so United are doing alright in that respect.

The Moldy Gowl · 07-12-2015 09:20AM

beno619 wrote: »

He would be feeding of scraps and you'd have posters in here telling you he isn't good enough, past it etc.

As Buckety said yesterday the list of forwards who became duds under LVG is growing.

Yeah the Hernandez who rarely started a game under ferguson and then moyes, then who rarely played for Madrid.
Then the Hernandez who was awful in his few games he got this season.

His 11 goals this season wouldn't be magically transplanted into this utd team.
Ex players who move on always seen to be viewed as some wonderful player.
Nani and Chico had their chance and plenty of them.
It's unfortunate they are gone but that's it. They could have asked to leave for all we know.

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