Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

Korat wrote: »

24 years definitely.

However even the transition years from Atkinson's style to the Fergie model wasn't dull and boring.

I wanted Ferguson out in '89 but it was negated by the battle of Old Trafford.

No, just no. We are ineffective up front atm. Many things are going right. Calling the worst is incorrect.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

define progress? you call being one of the most negative teams in the league and passing 500 times sideways, is progress? we have spent £320million and we have a squad missing a heap of talent.

if anything, considering all the money spent, we are regressing and its alarming just how poor we have become. ive seen 2 or 3 lads on here constantly beating this nonsense. even under Moyes, for the 12 games before he was sacked, we had scored 20 goals, its 10 from the last 12 under LVG.

if that doesnt wake people up, i dont know what will.

Ok i'll define progres. Taking us back into the UCL spots, done. Mounitng a title challenge this season, done so far, 3 points off top. A bit more luck in some of our draws and we are on top.

Bringing this new style to the club, implementing it into our young players, investing in youth, all done and works in progress heading in the right direction.

Highest avg possesion in the league, done. Defensive reliability, done, only one goal let in all season at OT. Unbeaten since Oct 5th. Done and done.

Some more luck in those draws and we are looking at a different picture. The progress is clearly there, we are able to control games, something we could not do under Moyes and even in Fergies last two seasone we were outplayed at OT by the likes of Southampton and Liverpool.

If LVG gets a quailty front line in we will be a real force.

But you just want to ignore all that becuase we are not putting away our chances. Yesterday we were plenty creative and exciting but the forwards blew it.

How can ignore all of that work?

J. Marston wrote: »

How does that work? If he had one drink the night before training, wouldn't it be still in his system? I doubt that one drink warrants a suspension.

If I had to my money on the rumour being true, I wouldn't, but sure it is easy to start a rumour, the rumour continued it wasn't the first or second time.

Maybe he does have an injury, maybe he is suffering from burn out...who knows.

suffering from burn out, I find that extremely funny in a sense what the hell has he done to merit burn out.

Your Airbag wrote: »

Honest questions. Just say we swap out Rooney, Depay and Mata and had lets say Reus, Griezmann and Robben behind Martial. Controlling the possesion of those games and being defesnsively solid with that front line free to cause damage would mean **** all?

This seems to be a common belief in here, just put a different striker up there and we will be fine, just put 4 world class players up front and we will be fine, because an attack is just something you bolt onto the front of your team like a snowplough on a tractor.

How does it work again, the back 6 will control possession all day and then from time to time will give the ball to the attacking unit who will go off and do their thing? Like an NFL team?

But we all know its not as simple as that, at this level the attack and defence all have to work in concert, one cannot work unless fully in tune with the other. Assists might come from the likes of Mata but they really came from intelligent work five passes back as the ball was worked up the field. And thats the problem with this side, we have no consistent or credible attacking threat anywhere on the field. We have no pace to break at speed, we have no interplay taking defenders out of the game, we have no midfielders making runs into the box, we have no full backs offering a consistent crossing threat, we have no number 10 consistently playing key passes. And most of all we have no coaching with regards to systems of bringing the ball from the back to the front.

All of the usual ways to break down opposing sides, currently we don't do any of them, thats why for all our possessions we create **** all genuine chances. There are half chances here and there sure, but there is no rythym or rhyme to them, no probing or mounting pressure that eventually leads to a mistake or an opening. People actually think yesterday was a good game attacking wise because of a few half chances but we had ONE shot on goal! There is no consistency to our attack because our team isn't attacking, its just individual players doing things here and there instead of a team attacking as a cohesive whole.

And this is why a Cavani or Higuain will make **** all difference to this side, buy either and in six months we will have them lumped in with Falcao and Van Persie, finding excuses why they were never going to work out in the first place.

Headshot wrote: »

suffering from burn out, I find that extremely funny in a sense what the hell has he done to merit burn out.

Unless he is burning the candle at both ends, who knows. Not going to get involved in speculation but there has to be something behind his massive drop off in performance levels.

He is consistently performing at about 50% or less from the standard he has set himself. This is across all facets of his game.... fitness... definitely lost some pace, hunger and desire... not half as good at tracking back and hunting and pressing the ball and opposition especially when he looses it... his finishing and sharpness have deserted him.. on several occasions he has had a chance to score but actually through lack of awareness and sharpness has allowed a defender to get back and challenge or missed the chance.

It's really very worrying and it's not because of any philosophy or tactics that is for sure. Not having a bad patch.. just seems like a shadow of his former self.. sad as I think LVG will run out of patience as well as the United fans and it will be off with Rooney and out with the checkbook and get someone in who will do it week in and week out.

Your Airbag wrote: »

No, just no. We are ineffective up front atm. Many things are going right. Calling the worst is incorrect.

Ryan Giggs appeared at that moment and he was a catalyst for things that Cantona has been given credit for.

If a Giggs appeared now, would he go into the team or be sent on loan?

Korat wrote: »

If a Giggs appeared now, would he go into the team or be sent on loan?

He would be played at left back and then dropped, sent out on loan to some random club where he doesn't get a game and then sold to Brentford or Bolton.

Your Airbag wrote: »

No, just no. We are ineffective up front atm. Many things are going right. Calling the worst is incorrect.



Ok i'll define progres. Taking us back into the UCL spots, done. Mounitng a title challenge this season, done so far, 3 points off top. A bit more luck in some of our draws and we are on top.

Bringing this new style to the club, implementing it into our young players, investing in youth, all done and works in progress heading in the right direction.

Highest avg possesion in the league, done. Defensive reliability, done, only one goal let in all season at OT. Unbeaten since Oct 5th. Done and done.

Some more luck in those draws and we are looking at a different picture. The progress is clearly there, we are able to control games, something we could not do under Moyes and even in Fergies last two seasone we were outplayed at OT by the likes of Southampton and Liverpool.

If LVG gets a quailty front line in we will be a real force.

But you just want to ignore all that becuase we are not putting away our chances. Yesterday we were plenty creative and exciting but the forwards blew it.

How can ignore all of that work?

You say a bit more luck but United are very lucky to be where they are.Do you forget the the og against spurs for 3 points and the og against watford for 3 points.

Your Airbag wrote: »

Honest questions. Just say we swap out Rooney, Depay and Mata and had lets say Reus, Griezmann and Robben behind Martial.

Honest question. Can you see us signing those three players or three players of similar quality???

Honest question. Do you think we gave enough quality in midfield for next season with Schweinstiger and Carrick both on their last legs and Fellani just not good enough.???

Who do you honestly see us signing and how many players do you think we are short????

So when are we going to give Van Gaal the old heave ho? We'll be out of the champions league in a few days barring a minor miracle and i can see it being a long Christmas period the way we're playing,can't wait for him to go.

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Did you watch the west ham game?

Watched it tonight fully, there was loads of chances that a bit of luck would have scored.
Reid throwing his body at every ball, balls swerving an inch past the post.
Shots being hit too hard.

A good few shots going the other way and it's 3-0.


I do remember shots falling on the side of bad luck in the last few games, especially lingard in Moscow.

A lot of ifs and maybes in sport though

West ham hit the post twice and missed two one on one chances. They could have won the game 3-0.We were poxed to get a clean sheet yedtrrday

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Did you watch the west ham game?

Watched it tonight fully, there was loads of chances that a bit of luck would have scored.
Reid throwing his body at every ball, balls swerving an inch past the post.
Shots being hit too hard.

A good few shots going the other way and it's 3-0.


I do remember shots falling on the side of bad luck in the last few games, especially lingard in Moscow.

A lot of ifs and maybes in sport though

Luck doesnt win ya leagues/cups and if ya counting on luck then your fineshed.
I was just responding to a poster who said that a bit more luck and they would be doing better but United allready been very lucky showing the examples of the ogs so balenced out.

I didnt watch the game seen the highlights but United had chances and so did West Ham .

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Like **** it doesn't. Luck helps in every championship and cup.

Ya helps but if your relying your screwed.Honestly its talk of a loser.

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I actually meant to edit that in. And that chance where your man had an open goal and scuffed it wide.
Again, ifs and maybe and luck. We need top level players to minimise that scuffed shot going wide.
Lingard and Fellaini and a 20 year old prospect aren't the players you want in that situation.

We weren't set up to get a clean sheet or a draw. Man utd were fairly attacking I thought.
Most attacking all season probably.

We should never be set up to get a draw again anyone at home. We are Manchester Utd ffs.
But Lvgs persistance with paying two holding midfielders means we are more likely to draw than win.
And then people are creaming themselves saying how we have improved no end defensively. Why wouldn't we with 6 players defending and one of the best goalkepers in the world behind them