Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

Manutd_4life · 05-12-2015 08:29PM

This league has been so incredibly crazy this season!!! Not sure if in a good way or bad way.

05-12-2015 08:31PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Am I the only one sick of hearing the "Attack" chants. I know people argue they're trying to create urgency or get a point to the staff but I see it as rather pointless and embarrassing at times (more so than the football).

Team is trying to attack too, might try something more accurate like "Score!Score!Score" next time and that will help :P.

Don't hear the crowd all game and suddenly they find their voice to boo at the end. Used to be different. Didn't think the OT crowd could turn like this tbh.

J. Marston · 05-12-2015 08:32PM

Can always rely on Chelsea to give you a laugh at least.

jayo26 · 05-12-2015 08:32PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Am I the only one sick of hearing the "Attack" chants. I know people argue they're trying to create urgency or get a point to the staff but I see it as rather pointless and embarrassing at times (more so than the football).

Team is trying to attack too, might try something more accurate like "Score!Score!Score" next time and that will help :P.

Been chanted in the ot stands for years its only more audible now but one of my frst memories of ot was in stretford end and some hardcore fan beside me screaming for Attack Attack Attack Attack Attack and the spit flying out of his mouth an veins nearly popping ha i was dying to tell him to relax its only the 1st minute.

jayo26 · 05-12-2015 08:34PM

Liam O wrote: »

Don't hear the crowd all game and suddenly they find their voice to boo at the end. Used to be different. Didn't think the OT crowd could turn like this tbh.

I dont see it as turning its the only way they can show their frustration at the style if play. Maybe im just looking at it wrong ha.

Manutd_4life · 05-12-2015 08:39PM

Apparently he disapproves of fans demanding the team to attack and score goals....

StringerBell · 05-12-2015 08:40PM

The chant certainly does no good anyway.

What we need more of is what was seen from Carrick today, quick balls into feet with good pace, forward, trying to split the defense instead of always going around it trying to shift them out of position.

The difference it made, and Fellaini being able to trap the ball and show some good close control (along with Martial and Memphis) and keeping the move going instead of the ball bouncing off them for example, was huge.

The potential is certainly there to be ripping teams apart but they were shocking today when it came to the finish.

StringerBell · 05-12-2015 08:51PM

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Apparently he disapproves of fans demanding the team to attack and score goals....

Where does he say that?

Could have sworn I heard him say the fans have the right to show their opinion.

Though I do hear that he tortures kittens, pushes pregnant women down stairs and tells young children there is no santa at every opportunity.

He also instructs his players to get into positions to score, but by God if they hit the target they will be in for serious punishment the next day in training, the object is to show the other team how easy it would be to score against them you see, but to leave them hanging all the time. The torture is worth more then the victory.

Thats what I took from that interview anyway, slightly different from your take I know, but not much less accurate I think you will agree?

adox · 05-12-2015 08:56PM

What's more galling is that this years league will probably be the easiest premier league ever to win and Utd won't win it. The league is there for the taking by a half decent team with a reasonable squad.

Van Gaals squad management I always thought would be his ultimate downfall but his ultra negative possession for the sake of it football, looks more likely to see him out the door.

Cl game is huge. Failure to qualify out of that group would be a massive failure.
I don't expect him to be gone until the summer. While I'd like to see the squad invested in in January , I think more medium term thinking would be more prudent and the money kept for the next manager. You would hope it's the sort of scenario the powers that be have ran through and considered at this stage, even though I'm sure they have no intention of sacking him.

Lord TSC · 05-12-2015 09:00PM

adox wrote: »

What's more galling is that this years league will probably be the easiest premier league ever to win and Utd won't win it. The league is there for the taking by a half decent team with a reasonable squad.

I would say this is probably the hardest the league will ever be to win. I get why you're saying it; Chelsea lounging near relegation, City, us and Arsenal dropping stupid points.

But its a disservice to the other teams to ignore the role they've played in such results. Leicester have been amazing thus far in the league, West Ham have beaten Arsenal, City and Chelsea away from home, Spurs haven't lost a game since we beat them. Teams like Stoke have picked up some great players that let them beat the likes of City (it wasn't a lucky result). Midtable teams can start to offer big wages. The likes of Everton and Southampton can demand fees for players that would have broken records years ago.

Thanks to TV money and the likes, the PL will get progressively harder to win from here on out.

TheDoc · 05-12-2015 09:05PM

Pro. F wrote: »

That's not my memory of that game.

Very vivid for me, was my first time at OT so fairly unforgettable

Pro. F · 05-12-2015 09:15PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Very vivid for me, was my first time at OT so fairly unforgettable

Yeah, I remember the game perfectly fine. Carrick was not utterly brutal against West Brom.

irishfeen · 05-12-2015 09:17PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Thanks to TV money and the likes, the PL will get progressively harder to win from here on out.

Tbh I think its a bit of that and the top teams buying absolute doss 50/60% over the odds ... the Champions League shows the Premier League is regressing beyond belief.

Take us for instance - we are a shadow of our former selves - remember us beating Barca over two legs with that beautiful Scholes goal... that was a proper United team!

Pro. F · 05-12-2015 09:26PM

Here's the expected goals from today's game:
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1.6 is one of United's better performances this season in that regard, but nothing amazing.

RobertKK · 05-12-2015 09:32PM

Happy Birthday Anthony Martial, 20 today.

J. Marston · 05-12-2015 09:36PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Here's the expected goals from today's game:

1.6 is one of United's better performances this season in that regard, but nothing amazing.

Expected goals? This the new thing now?

I bet Opta are just making up shít at this stage.

Cantona's Collars · 05-12-2015 09:37PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Expected goals? This the new thing now?

It's like the alternative league that Liverpool win every year.:pac:

StringerBell · 05-12-2015 09:48PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Tbh I think its a bit of that and the top teams buying absolute doss 50/60% over the odds ... the Champions League shows the Premier League is regressing beyond belief.

Take us for instance - we are a shadow of our former selves - remember us beating Barca over two legs with that beautiful Scholes goal... that was a proper United team!

It was a team set up to defend for their lives like 180 minutes and we managed to get through due to a wonder goal from Scholesly

Pro. F · 05-12-2015 09:49PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Expected goals? This the new thing now?

I bet Opta are just making up shít at this stage.

It's not from Opta directly, just based on Opta data, but you could probably use any good football data source to compile it.

It's been around for a few years at this stage and is very useful. But don't worry, if you want to avoid intelligent football discussion nobody will force you to think about it.

jayo26 · 05-12-2015 09:59PM

zerks wrote: »

It's like the alternative league that Liverpool win every year.:pac:

Thats just baithing haha

J. Marston · 05-12-2015 09:59PM

Pro. F wrote: »

It's not from Opta directly, just based on Opta data, but you could probably use any good football data source to compile it.

It's been around for a few years at this stage and is very useful. But don't worry, if you want to avoid intelligent football discussion nobody will force you to think about it.

I may be just a ditzy blonde who doesn't understand the finer points of the game like you, Pro.F, (Professor Football?) but could your giant brain explain how it works?

*Twirls hair*

jayo26 · 05-12-2015 10:03PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Here's the expected goals from today's game:

1.6 is one of United's better performances this season in that regard, but nothing amazing.

I have never seen as much nonsense stats going around as I have this season don't think we need a pitch with a dose of chicken pox to tell us all not right.

On another note I hope The club look at this season as up for grabs come January and we get one or two quality players in next month preferably a creative player and a goal scorer.

Cantona's Collars · 05-12-2015 10:05PM

Man United 14/15: PL 15 W 8 D 4 L 3 GF 26 GA 17 GD +9 Pnts 28
Man United 15/16: PL 15 W 8 D 5 L 2 GF 20 GA 10 GD +10 Pnts 29

Rayne Wooney · 05-12-2015 10:05PM

Okay today may have been a "player problem" type of game but that doesn't forgive all the other games that are a Van Gaal problem, you will have games when players are off form but you have to make up for it in the other games. City had a "player problem" type of game today but they will bounce back

We seem to be stuck in a cycle of just nicking a result or not and if not the players/manager coming out saying we need to do better in the future. We never/rarely have a game when we play like a behemoth of football should and beat a team comfortably.

You know if Van Gaal was sacked if we get knocked out of the CL midweek and Ancelotti was brought in I really wouldn't care. A positive manager could win us this league

Lord TSC · 05-12-2015 10:09PM

zerks wrote: »

Man United 14/15: PL 15 W 8 D 4 L 3 GF 26 GA 17 GD +9 Pnts 28
Man United 15/16: PL 15 W 8 D 5 L 2 GF 20 GA 10 GD +10 Pnts 29

I will be honest, while I defend LVG for today, there is a niggling worry that if the other big teams weren't struggling, it would really look bad right now. it's the preformance of other teams that, I fear, has less of a call for LVG to go now....

jayo26 · 05-12-2015 10:16PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

I will be honest, while I defend LVG for today, there is a niggling worry that if the other big teams weren't struggling, it would really look bad right now. it's the preformance of other teams that, I fear, has less of a call for LVG to go now....

Thats true but its same the last few seasons its always been one team to pull away from the rest that are playing terrible football.

We won the league by a canter in fergies last season but only because the rest were so bad.

StringerBell · 05-12-2015 10:24PM

Pro. F wrote: »

It's not from Opta directly, just based on Opta data, but you could probably use any good football data source to compile it.

It's been around for a few years at this stage and is very useful. But don't worry, if you want to avoid intelligent football discussion nobody will force you to think about it.

There is no need to put him down is there?

I am interested though, I have never used it though so would you mind breaking down the parameters for it and how exactly it comes to conclusions? It seems like football in particular has so many variables involved when it comes to goals that I am interested to see what method is used to reach consensus, and why you personally give it so much credit to refer to it as very useful?

Alex Meier · 05-12-2015 11:16PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

I will be honest, while I defend LVG for today, there is a niggling worry that if the other big teams weren't struggling, it would really look bad right now. it's the preformance of other teams that, I fear, has less of a call for LVG to go now....

That's makes no sense. . . The managers survival is based on the performance and results of rivals?

LvG was never up to the job from the beginning.

Flint Fredstone · 05-12-2015 11:18PM

Alex Meier wrote: »

That's makes no sense. . . The managers survival is based on the performance and results of rivals?

LvG was never up to the job from the beginning.

And here's our regular German football expert to remind us all that LVG is a spoofer after dropping points.

Lord TSC · 05-12-2015 11:20PM

Alex Meier wrote: »

That's makes no sense. . . The managers survival is based on the performance and results of rivals?

The goal for this season is to challenge for the title. Right now, we're only 3 points behind league leaders Leicester, and one behind City and Arsenal. So you can say that he's currently on track to accomplish the goal set out for him.

If other teams were preforming better, then the same points total we have now might have us far behind and not achieving the goal. The performance of other teams absolutely is impacting on people's views of LVG.

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