Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

The_Kew_Tour · 05-12-2015 06:20PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

We will break transfer records in January. Certain of it.

Imo, I don't think we will

You could be right, but reckon we buy 1 or 2 and no more.

TheDoc · 05-12-2015 06:22PM

Disgraceful result considering the scenario of City losing.

It's results like this that lose you the title. Too many dropped points already to teams we should be beating.

So deflating...

PhlegmyMoses · 05-12-2015 06:22PM

Pro. F wrote: »

This is ridiculous. You are coming to conclusions about a player's performance when you didn't even see the game.

A few people in here have been scapegoating Lingard, which is incredibly harsh and unrealistic. Fewer than 10 top flight appearances, he should be getting eased in, not hounded for missing some chances.

fatherted1969 · 05-12-2015 06:22PM

One thing is for sure, its going to be a long 18 months if this is the standard that is acceptable from LVG. Looking forward to seeing the interview after the game

niallo27 · 05-12-2015 06:23PM

Quandary wrote: »

Look at how sh1t Liverpool were under Rogers. The majority of the Liverpool squad apart from Coutinho looked like very average players. Now under Klopp almost every single Liverpool player looks a completely different animal.

LVG is the fcuking problem. This conservative possession obsessed footballing strategy is the problem. The players are afraid to lose the ball hence our massive amount of sideways and backwards passes.

We only started looking lively today when Memphis came on. That was far too late in the game. The first 70 minutes were appalling. Fair enough Martial should of put away the chance created by Memphis but he was feeding off scraps all match up until then. Lingard and Mata were both shocking.

Now we have to watch the same insipid bullsh1t away to Wolfsburg where we will most likely limp out of the Champions League off the back of another 0-0.

There is no sign of LVG changing his core principal of keeping possession. Talks of signing attacking players who can create moments of magic to solve our impotent attack might work once in a while but it is not a sustainable strategy. The LVG system might be fine defensively but it has failed miserably attack wise. Every team in the league knows how to play against us at this stage. We need a different approach and I cannot see it happening while LVG is at the club. The boos at the Stretford End are becoming a regular occurrence and with good reason.

Players hide behind their manager too. It was easy for some liverpool players to blame their manager for their performances. Football players are very fickle and when Klopp came in they realized they had no where to hide again. Utd players know how ever badly they play that LVG will be blamed in the large. It is just the way football works.

jayo26 · 05-12-2015 06:24PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

We will break transfer records in January. Certain of it.

Eh dont you mean we WON'T!!!

The_Kew_Tour · 05-12-2015 06:26PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Players hide behind their manager too. It was easy for some liverpool players to blame their manager for their performances. Football players are very fickle and when Klopp came in they realized they had no where to hide again. Utd players know how ever badly they play that LVG will be blamed in the large. It is just the way football works.

While I think LVG is a big problem, I do agree with what you say. Think too many players don't take responsibility enough.

beno619 · 05-12-2015 06:30PM

edgecutter wrote: »

This is what annoyed me the most. Spurs played quick football against West Ham last week and cut them open each time. We played slowed and on some rare occasions when we upped the tempo we started to get at them. That should have been the way we played from the beginning.

It's now coming to a stage that if we don't score early I just don't see us getting a win.

Some people would have you believe it's impossible to open up solid defensive sides.

Quandary · 05-12-2015 06:30PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Players hide behind their manager too. It was easy for some liverpool players to blame their manager for their performances. Football players are very fickle and when Klopp came in they realized they had no where to hide again. Utd players know how ever badly they play that LVG will be blamed in the large. It is just the way football works.

United have struggled badly all season when it comes to creating chances and scoring goals. Sure, you can blame players for a specific match but not for an entire season or half season. Creating fcuk all goal scoring opportunities automatically means less goals will be scored over the course of a season. It also makes it very easy to remember a missed chance or two when there have only been maybe 3 decent chances in a whole game.

Pro. F · 05-12-2015 06:31PM

That was one of our better attacking performances today imo. Seemed like we were getting forward in better numbers than in some recent games. Combined with the first 20 minutes of the PSV game that could give you hope, but going on experience so far, no way I'd be getting my hopes up yet.

I certainly wouldn't be slating the players for their finishing either, because I don't remember any one player missing lots of good chances. Be interesting to see all the United chances collected together when the highlights are out.

Cantona's Collars · 05-12-2015 06:33PM

Watched the game on Premier League Pass,the commentator said something about LVG having a picture on the wall before with his philosophy outlined.Basically everything comes from planning and the commentator said it's as if the natural instincts of the players was being coached out of them in favour of the manager's gameplan.

Pro. F · 05-12-2015 06:34PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Carrick has been poor for me last few appearances. He was utterly brutal against West Brom..brutal...

That's not my memory of that game.

05-12-2015 06:36PM

Pro. F wrote: »

This is ridiculous. You are coming to conclusions about a player's performance when you didn't even see the game.

Did he or did he not miss good chances?

Cantona's Collars · 05-12-2015 06:36PM

Pro. F wrote: »

That was one of our better attacking performances today imo. Seemed like we were getting forward in better numbers than in some recent games. Combined with the first 20 minutes of the PSV game that could give you hope, but going on experience so far, no way I'd be getting my hopes up yet.

I certainly wouldn't be slating the players for their finishing either, because I don't remember any one player missing lots of good chances. Be interesting to see all the United chances collected together when the highlights are out.

Saw the highlights already,some stuff snatched at,one save by Adrian from Fellaini and some last ditch blocks by defenders.West Ham defended as if their lives depended on it at times,coupled with our wastefulness and poor decision making at times it looked bad in the last 3rd.

beno619 · 05-12-2015 06:37PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Did he or did he not miss good chances?

None come to mind, one of the better performers.

dfx- · 05-12-2015 06:38PM

SlickRic wrote: »

LVG will be blamed, but that was the players today.

20 chances, a lot of them pretty decent. That was all about players lacking the composure needed in front of goal.

One game in isolation perhaps. When you play as conservatively as United have done this season, you can't afford the games when players do miss.

When you factor in West Ham's chances, it's not as though United snuffed West Ham out either.

Cantona's Collars · 05-12-2015 06:38PM

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/673184960304443393

Flint Fredstone · 05-12-2015 06:39PM

beno619 wrote: »

None come to mind, one of the better performers.

He took a wild swipe at a dropping ball and sent it wide. I would have classed it as a good chance for a professional footballer but it was by no means simple.
Lingard was actually one of the better players today overall.

dixiefly · 05-12-2015 06:42PM

I said this before to mixed responses.

Mark Hughes should be seriously considered as our manager at the end of the season. Very experienced manager now and he has done a great job at Stoke City who played today at a level our fans could only dream of currently.

Cantona's Collars · 05-12-2015 06:43PM

https://twitter.com/kpsundayworld/status/673193179554963456

It's like listening to Michael Owen.

Lord TSC · 05-12-2015 06:43PM

dixiefly wrote: »

I said this before to mixed responses.

Mark Hughes should be seriously considered as our manager at the end of the season. Very experienced manager now and he has done a great job at Stoke City who played today at a level our fans could only dream of currently.

United should be striving for a much, MUCH higher level of manager.

05-12-2015 06:45PM

beno619 wrote: »

None come to mind, one of the better performers.

Not what I'm reading above...there were chances in the game yes? And they were squandered yes? Tbh I don't give a **** who missed them they were still missed. My point stands we don't have a world class finisher anymore. Rooneys form isn't recovering and all that's left is potential
If pro f thinks I'm jumping to specifically blame a individual player that's not what I'm getting at. Discussed this with buckety during the week already so I'm not going to repeat what I said

Pro. F · 05-12-2015 06:46PM

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Since when has criticism meant writing someone off? If I was writing him off I would have said it in no uncertain terms.

Like I said, just call it "slating him" if that fits your description better. Absolutely no need to wast our time debating the semantics of it.

Kerrydude1981 · 05-12-2015 06:48PM

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/673192181155409920

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/673194773604392960

05-12-2015 06:49PM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/673192181155409920

And it gets worse. Biggest game of the season coming up....

Flint Fredstone · 05-12-2015 06:49PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Like I said, just call it "slating him" if that fits your description better. Absolutely no need to wast our time debating the semantics of it.

Slating and writing someone off are completely different things so yes there is a need to debate semantics. I did one and not the other.

Pro. F · 05-12-2015 06:51PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Not what I'm reading above...there were chances in the game yes? And they were squandered yes? Tbh I don't give a **** who missed them they were still missed. My point stands we don't have a world class finisher anymore. Rooneys form isn't recovering and all that's left is potential
If pro f thinks I'm jumping to specifically blame a individual player that's not what I'm getting at. Discussed this with buckety during the week already so I'm not going to repeat what I said

You singled Lingard out and said that he'd missed a ball of chances. It doesn't matter what you discussed during the week or what your wider ideas about the squad are, it's clear that you are not judging Lingard objectively.

05-12-2015 06:53PM

Pro. F wrote: »

You singled Lingard out and said that he'd missed a ball of chances. It doesn't matter what you discussed during the week or what your wider ideas about the squad are, it's clear that you are not judging Lingard objectively.

Ok you hold onto the lindgard thing because your missing my point

Pro. F · 05-12-2015 06:54PM

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Slating and writing someone off are completely different things so yes there is a need to debate semantics. I did one and not the other.

Your responses are not intelligent enough to be worth my time anymore.

Pro. F · 05-12-2015 06:58PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Ok you hold onto the lindgard thing because your missing my point

I get your point, you think that we don't have any world class finishers. That's not a point that I'm interested in debating.

But that doesn't make your criticism of a player's performance in a game you didn't watch any less ridiculous.

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